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 Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:39 am
Alright. These next two lists are part of the same branch of my army. Namely, they're Nurglesque and represent the segment of the Broken Swords that still follows the former Captain of the First Company, Morgath Gorvan and his brother, Kelath Gorvan, former Captain of the Second Company. The two of them personally oversee all forces that launch, trusting that Nurgle will restore them should they fall. Should their attention be required in multiple places, they will send a Daemon Lieutenant to oversee the battle. Sons of Morgath, Rapid Strike Force, 2000pts Daemon Prince of Nurgle – 175 Wings, Mark of Nurgle, Warptime Daemon Prince of Nurgle – 175 Wings, Mark of Nurgle, Warptime Summoned Greater Daemon – 100 CSM – 125 6x CSM – Plasmagun Rhino CSM – 125 6x CSM – Plasmagun Rhino Bikers – 374 7x Bikers - Icon of Nurgle, 2x Meltaguns Champ – Powerfist Bikers – 374 7x Bikers - Icon of Nurgle, 2x Meltaguns Champ – Powerfist Bikers – 374 7x Bikers - Icon of Nurgle, 2x Meltaguns Champ – Powerfist Vindicator – 145 Daemonic Possession Sons of Morgath, Armored Heavy Infantry, 2000pts CSM 2k – Nurgle Infantry Winged Daemon Prince of Nurgle – 175 Warptime Winged Daemon Prince of Nurgle – 175 Warptime Summoned Greater Daemon – 100 Terminators – 270 Mark of Nurgle Lightning Claw / Combi-Flamer Lightning Claw / Combi-Melta Lightning Claw / Combi-Plasma Lightning Claw / Heavy Flamer Champ 2x Lightning Claw Plague Marines – 312 pts 8x Troop – 2x Plasma Guns Champ – Powerfist Rhino Plague Marines – 289 pts 7x Troop – 2x Plasma Guns Champ – Powerfist Rhino Plague Marines – 289 pts 7x Troop – 2x Plasma Guns Champ – Powerfist Rhino Land Raider – 245 D.Possession, Dozer Blade Vindicator – 145 D.Possession Sons of Morgath, Heavy Reconnaisance, 1500pts Winged Daemon Prince of Nurgle – 175 Warptime Winged Daemon Prince of Nurgle – 175 Warptime Summoned Greater Daemon – 100 Plague Marines – 289 8x PMs w/ 2x Plasma Guns Champ w/ Power Fist Rhino Plague Marines – 289 7x PMs w/ 2x Plasma Guns Champ w/ Power Fist Rhino Plague Bikers - 308 5x Bikers w/ 2x Plasma Guns, Icon of Nurgle Champ w/ Power Fist Vindicator – 145 Daemonic Possession Following the former Chapter Chaplain of the Broken Swords, Artemis Hiadian, are the forces that have found their calling from Khorne. The Chaplain, now the Bloodlord of the Legion, has called together the most brutal combatants and those most willing to shed the blood of their enemies. Sons of Artemis, Crusher Force, 2000pts Khornite Terminator Bloodlord – 160 Blood Feeder, Combi-Flamer Khornite Terminator Lord – 140 2x Lightning Claws Terminators – 205 3x Terminators with 2x Twin LCs, 1xLC/Heavy Flamer Champ w/ Twin LC Terminators – 205 3x Terminators with 2x Twin LCs, 1xLC/Heavy Flamer Champ w/ Twin LC Berserkers – 233 7x standard Champ w/ Power Weapon Berserkers – 233 7x standard Champ w/ Power Weapon Bloodhawks (Raptors)– 200 5x w/ 2x Meltaguns, Champ w/ BP and Power Weapon Land Raider – 240 Daemonic Possession Land Raider – 240 Daemonic Possession Vindicator – 145 Daemonic Possession 2001 pts
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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:57 am
A list that Cale and "I" worked on. Mostly him. I just kinda nodded and said go for it or referenced. Quote: Archon 181 pts Agoniser, CCW, Splinter Rifle, Combat Drugs, Shadow Field, Animus Vitae, Reaver Jetbike Dracon 121 pts Agoniser, CCW, Splinter Rifle, Combat Drugs, Hell Mask, Reaver Jetbike Raider Squad 105 5x Raiders w/ Dark Lance Raider Transport w/ Disintegrator, Scaling Nets Raider Squad 105 5x Raiders w/ Dark Lance Raider Transport w/ Disintegrator, Scaling Nets Raider Squad 105 5x Raiders w/ Dark Lance Raider Transport w/ Disintegrator, Scaling Nets Warrior Squad 105 10x Warriors w/ 2x Splinter Cannon, 1x Blaster Warrior Squad 105 10x Warriors w/ 2x Splinter Cannon, 1x Blaster Warrior Squad 105 10x Warriors w/ 2x Splinter Cannon, 1x Blaster Reaver Jetbikes 170 6x Jetbikers Reaver Jetbikes, Splinter Rifles, 2x Blasters Reaver Jetbikes 170 6x Jetbikers Reaver Jetbikes, Splinter Rifles, 2x Blasters Ravager 135 2x Disintegrator, Dark Lance, Nightshields Ravager 125 3x Dark Lance, Nightshields
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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:50 pm
Dragonzealot A list that Cale and "I" worked on. Mostly him. I just kinda nodded and said go for it or referenced. Quote: Archon 181 pts Agoniser, CCW, Splinter Rifle, Combat Drugs, Shadow Field, Animus Vitae, Reaver Jetbike Dracon 121 pts Agoniser, CCW, Splinter Rifle, Combat Drugs, Hell Mask, Reaver Jetbike Raider Squad 105 5x Raiders w/ Dark Lance Raider Transport w/ Disintegrator, Scaling Nets Raider Squad 105 5x Raiders w/ Dark Lance Raider Transport w/ Disintegrator, Scaling Nets Raider Squad 105 5x Raiders w/ Dark Lance Raider Transport w/ Disintegrator, Scaling Nets Warrior Squad 105 10x Warriors w/ 2x Splinter Cannon, 1x Blaster Warrior Squad 105 10x Warriors w/ 2x Splinter Cannon, 1x Blaster Warrior Squad 105 10x Warriors w/ 2x Splinter Cannon, 1x Blaster Reaver Jetbikes 170 6x Jetbikers Reaver Jetbikes, Splinter Rifles, 2x Blasters Reaver Jetbikes 170 6x Jetbikers Reaver Jetbikes, Splinter Rifles, 2x Blasters Ravager 135 2x Disintegrator, Dark Lance, Nightshields Ravager 125 3x Dark Lance, Nightshields How many points is the list?
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Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:58 pm
It is currently 1532. I added improperly. Drop a Splinter Cannon from each of the Warrior squads and you'll be golden at 1502.
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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:27 am
The transports are going to die like punks without Nightshields, and the Ravagers are going to be fire magnets because of those Disintegrators. What's an Agonizer do?
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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 9:11 am
All that night shields do is make them effectively 6" farther from the target. Agonizers are power weapons that always wound on 4+.
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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:56 pm
Caleidah All that night shields do is make them effectively 6" farther from the target. Agonizers are power weapons that always wound on 4+. Nice. And, that 6" means a lot, especially against mid-range armies like mine.
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Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2009 1:03 pm
DarkElf27 Caleidah All that night shields do is make them effectively 6" farther from the target. Agonizers are power weapons that always wound on 4+. Nice. And, that 6" means a lot, especially against mid-range armies like mine. True. But putting Nightshields on those three raiders means dropping two more special weapons.
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Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:05 am
Black Templars army 2500
Haven Crusade
I made this after getting trashed by Cale's Chaos army, this I hope is much more balanced while sticking to the melee nature of the templars
Haven Crusade 2500
HQ (789)
Marshal Alaric (80)
WS(5)BS(5)S(4)T(4)W(3)I(5)A(3)Ld(10)Sv(3+)
-Crusader Seals (Re-roll Righteous Zeal Consolidation)
-Iron Halo (4+ Invulnerable save)
Artificer Armor
Terminator Honors
Holy Orb of Antioch
Close combat weapon
Fragmentation Grenade
Krak Grenade
The Emperor's Champion (90)
WS(6)BS(4)S(4)T(4)W(2)I(5)A(2)Ld(10)Sv(2+)
-Terminator Honors (Bonuses included above)
-Crusader Seals (re-roll Righteous Zeal Consolidation)
-Fragmentation Grenades
-”Accept Any Challenge, No Matter The Odds”
-The Armor of Faith [4+ Invulnerable save]
-The Black Sword [power weapon +2 to S]
Black Templars Chaplain, Renu (110)
WS(5)BS(5)S(4)T(4)W(3)I(5)A(3)Ld(10)Sv(3+)
-Terminator Armor
-Terminator Honors (+1 to A)
-Crusader Seals (re-roll Righteous Zeal Consolidation)
-Rosarius (4+ invulnerable save)
-Crozius Arcanum (power Weapon)
Krak Grenade
Command Squad[Marshal] (144)
WS(4)BS(4)S(4)T(4)W(1)I(4)A(1)Ld( cool Sv(3+)
-Crusader Seals
-Fragmentation Grenades
-Terminator Honors (+1 to A)
-Multi-Melta[2]
-Furious Charge
Fighting Company Standard Bearer
-Fighting Company Standard (re-roll failed morale or pinning within 12”)
Sergeant
Terminator Honors (+1 to A)
TROOPS (1231)
Crusader Squad (250)
Initiate WS(4)BS(4)S(4)T(4)w(1)I(4)A(1)LD( cool SV(3+)
Neophyte WS(3)BS(3)S(4)T(4)W(1)I(4)A(1)LD(7)SV(4+)
Power Fist
Fragmentation Grenades
Crusader Seals (re-roll Righteous Zeal Consolidation)
Crusader Squad (250)
Initiate WS(4)BS(4)S(4)T(4)w(1)I(4)A(1)LD( cool SV(3+)
Neophyte WS(3)BS(3)S(4)T(4)W(1)I(4)A(1)LD(7)SV(4+)
Power Fist
Fragmentation Grenades
Crusader Seals (re-roll Righteous Zeal Consolidation)
Meltagun
Crusader Squad (250)
Initiate WS(4)BS(4)S(4)T(4)w(1)I(4)A(1)LD( cool SV(3+)
Neophyte WS(3)BS(3)S(4)T(4)W(1)I(4)A(1)LD(7)SV(4+)
Power Fist
Fragmentation Grenades
Crusader Seals (re-roll Righteous Zeal Consolidation)
Crusader Squad (250)
Initiate WS(4)BS(4)S(4)T(4)w(1)I(4)A(1)LD( cool SV(3+)
Neophyte WS(3)BS(3)S(4)T(4)W(1)I(4)A(1)LD(7)SV(4+)
Plasma Cannon
Fragmentation Grenades
Crusader Seals (re-roll Righteous Zeal Consolidation)
ELITES (270)
Dreadnought Front(12)Side(12)Rear(10)WS(4)BS(4)S(6(10)I(4)A(2)
Venerable
Furious Charge
Dreadnought Front(12)Side(12)Rear(10)WS(4)BS(4)S(6(10)I(4)A(2)
Twin-Linked Lascannon
Missile launcher
HEAVY SUPPORT (210)
Predator Destructor (100)
Front(13)Side(11)Rear(10)WS(N/A)BS(4)S(N/A)I(N/A)A(N/A)
Heavy Bolters
Predator Destructor (100)
Front(13)Side(11)Rear(10)WS(N/A)BS(4)S(N/A)I(N/A)A(N/A)
Heavy Bolters
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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:57 am
@Midnight Ethereal:
I know just vanilla 'rines, but here is what I understand:
if you gave your marshal artificier, shouldn't he have a 2+ save?
do you need some transports? I know that black templars get some kind of charging bonuses,
but won't you need some kind of troops protection? at least that's what my black templar opponent does to me, and he wrecks me every time
(drop-pod champion with termies in LR and rhino troops.)
Nice choice of powerfists, I like them though most other people I know don't oddly. They seem to prefer relic blades and power weapons at our FLGS...
It seems your vehicles will be your anti vehicle/monstrous? either way, I still stand with the need for transports.
I may wonder, is posting the stats for each unit..legal?
nothing against your post, I am saying it so as to be wary, and to help you in case someone tries to incriminate you.
For my own post, I will be posting my friends necron list.
I would like for it to be critiqued, in that I am unsure of it's effectiveness and need more help advising him as our FLGS is about 2-3 hours away.
necrons are not my forte, and really all I am worried about is that he has spent points/money in highly ineffective units.
If I am correct, his phaseout is at about ~7? also note,
he loves flayed ones to death and will most likely incorporate them later, regardless of what anyone says.
HQ: Lord, Res Orb, Phylactery. 155 pts. (termie base, a very high detail conversion I did for him)
Lord. Veil of Darkness, Phyalctery. 175 pts.
Elites: Immortalsx5. 140 pts.
Troops: Warriorsx10. 180pts.
Warriors x10. 180pts.
Fast Attack: Destroyersx3. 150pts.
Heavy Support: Tomb Spyder. 55pts.
Monolith. 235pts.
Monolith. 235pts. (PROXY model, made HORRIFICALLY by myself, so as to influence him to get an actual one.
Made of cardboard, tape, and lotsa crappy acrylic paints from children s paint sets, painted in his planned scheme HORRIBLY.
TOTAL: 1505
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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:28 am
The first problem I see is that it's tremendously short on Warriors. Regardless of the Res Orb Lord, gratuitous application of pie plates on the 2 Warrior squads and it's an easy phase-out win for the opposition. Heck, rushing the Warriors with any short of choppy units and it's game over when the inevitable sweeping advance happens.
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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:37 am
Two monoliths? That's....beastly. He should save one to Deep Strike, or cut one out, as there's a second problem in the army: It's boots light. Phase out is at 8 Necrons left on the table. If I play my cards right, and just pop the Warriors/Immortals with guns/templates/Tank Shocks/assaults, the Monoliths flee the table. I suggest dropping a Monolith for more Warriors or Immortals. More boots on the firing line means the army sticks around longer.
Also: Darkness lord might want to try the "TeleScare" trick off the points that get freed up from the dropped Monolith. Give that lord a Nightmare Shroud, warp 'im into the middle of the enemy's formation, and activate the Nightmare Shroud to get everything (or, if it's only one target, the most vital to the formation) nearby to fall back.
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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:45 am
Yea, I keep telling him he is DANGEROUSLY close to phaseout. I have only done it once, with my nids, but I refuse to play them again until new codex comes out.
It should be very easy for him to drop the proxylith, and use the points for another squad of warriors, and some more upgrades all around.
What he does, is one lord and the immortals go around, veiling and shooting prime targets, while the res-lord leads the squads of warriors in camping objectives (if they exist), while the monolith deep strikes behind or in front of the enemy, being annoying as humanly possibly. The Destroyers are quick moving heavy weapons, for taking out either my command squad/troops or my synapse web.
Should I advise him for more warriors, or for more immortals?
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Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:12 pm
More Warriors. It should be a Necron player's mantra on life. 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:33 am
Warriors. Cheap, good as a tact marine, and you can field them 20 at a time anyways.
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