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((Um, I never said my choke was done wrong.

Yariel would place Tiem into an effective chokehold with the weapon, assuming it works out this way.

So now it was a chokehold. Yariel behind, Tiem in front. The wooden sword performing it.

Hell... the kid almost had to laugh.

"'s been fun, gai."

And then the spear shaft hit the grate below them.

And then Yariel would hit the grate below them.

Once the chokehold had been established two things would happen; the first would be that Tiem dropped the pole he was holding; the second would be that his two free hands went to use. The left grabbed onto Yariel's left wrist firmly, the right went to his shoulder. Reaching back over his head, and over Yariel's head, the boy grabbed a handful of the elf's robe at the back of his right shoulder and twisted it firmly around his hand to get a solid grip. Then it was just a matter of the boy being on the bottom.

He leaned forwards, ramming his lower back and buttocks into Yariel's midsection with a sudden thrust of his lower body, while at the same time jerking forwards on the elf's upper body. It was one of the simplest maneuvers out there, an over-the-shoulder throw.

The knife that Yariel was somehow holding along with the wooden sword in his left hand? Well, the hand was going to move. He couldn't get a real grip on the wooden weapon with something already in his hand, and if he'd decided to drop it in favor of the choke, then there'd really be nothing to worry about anyways. The wrist firmly in grip, Tiem kept the elf's left hand clear during the entire process; from the point Yariel's feet left the ground to the point where his back slammed against the pole laying on the steel grate below them.

The entire process took barely longer than it took the pole to hit the grate.

It would promptly be followed with some ground n' pound action.

To maintain a chokehold of that sort, the opponent's back must be against the choker's chest while the 'bar' is held against the neck in order to prevent escape. Any variation in which this is not the case means that any 'choke' that actually happens is entirely dependent upon the situation being more 'tug-of-war' than 'hold'.

Assuming the hold was performed properly, with a three-foot sword and hands at the very tips, Yariel's wrist would be no more than fourteen inches to the left. Barely past Tiem's own shoulder. It would be at roughly shoulder distance as well, and not any further back, or the hold would be pressing firmly on the side of the neck rather than the front, and accomplishing little.

A stick is a very linear thing. It's straight. It doesn't bend. If one side is pulled back the other side has to go forwards. If Yariel's left hand was back, his right hand was forwards, his elbow was up in order to facilitate leaning over the shoulder, and his right shoulder would be easily reachable.

Assuming the hold was performed properly, what was written in the previous post would happen.

We'll call that OPTION A.


Using the description provided, in which the hold is performed improperly, Tiem could do something as simple as turning his head to he left in order to get the 'bar' out from under his chin. At which point simply dipping his head or sliding the left leg back a step and bending it slightly would be enough so that the force applied to pull back on the 'bar' would cause it to slip straight over the side of his head. Maybe pull his ear a little, but no more than pulling off an overly tight sports helmet would.

Escaping from the grapple in this way does not require the use of either hand, and would not require him to drop the weapon he was holding.

From here a number of options open up.


He could easily slide his left foot out further, pressing against the inside of Yariel's right foot and driving it outwards a few inches. Doing so would knock the elf's balance off, possibly causing him to fall but at the least causing his stance to widen, lower, and shift past Tiem's left side. In synchronous motion he could raise up the shortstaff in hand behind Yariel's left arm, preventing him from pulling it back to counter or guard. By moving with the staff in that way until it reaches his side, under the arm, it assures both that any attempt to lower the arm or attack with it would be rendered ineffective through simple range of motion, and that it would allow Tiem the opening to step under that arm with his right leg.

With his left straight and his right unstable, Yariel would not be able to step off of his left leg with more force than he could muster from the calf muscle. This meant that the elf was relatively immobile for a fraction of a second, and had no control over his lateral movement. Simply spinning the center portion of the staff up behind Yariel's right shoulder would suffice; then Tiem would be able to swing his right arm over the elf's head and pull back with both.

His left leg would then have swung around behind him and his weight would be placed on that. His right would bend slightly at the knee and raise on the ball of his foot to add as much height as possible in order to press the top of his right thigh against Yariel's tailbone; figuratively 'laying him out' on top of the leg and removing his legs from the equation entirely. Unlike Yariel, Tiem's hands would be spaced just slightly wider than the elf's neck.

A demonstration of how a real chokehold should be maintained.

We'll call that OPTION B.


He could also simply drive the shortstaff upwards along Yariel's torso. It was easily long enough so that he could brace it underneath both of the elf's raised arms and prevent him from lowering them. Doing this he could continue to press forwards, as he had been doing, by pushing against the elf's chest while maintaining a lower stance than Yariel (an easy feat, as Yariel was the taller of the two.

Doing this would keep the elf 'on the ropes', as had been the intent throughout the entire fight to this point.

We'll call that OPTION C.


He could drop the weapon as intended and instead place his hands in two positions: The left on Yariel's right hip, the right on the elf's left scapula. Doing this he would simply need to push off of his left leg and twist his body while maintaining the hold. Yariel would be pulled forwards and twisted along with the boy in a clockwise spin. His right leg would drag across the boy's left, 'ramping' it off the ground. His left leg was already straightened and behind him, and would provide no resistance to either the lateral nor the forwards movement.

The elf would end up on his back at Tiem's feet, only this time laying perpendicular to his facing.

We'll call that OPTION D.


He could drop the weapon as intended and instead simply place his left hand on Yariel's thigh while stepping in against him with the right foot. He'd simply have to press back against the 'flat' side of Yariel's stance, where his legs were not aiding him at all. As soon as he stepped in the other hand would go to Yariel's other thigh in the same way; both would be pulled forwards and up while Tiem went belly-to-belly and pushed forwards.

Yariel would fall on his a** with Tiem's waist between his legs, and it would be time for that aforementioned ground n' pound.

We'll call that OPTION E.


He could snap up the 'rear' end of the staff and thrust it up and in while throwing his weight onto the left foot.

lolololololol nutshot.

We'll call that OPTION F.




So, what will it be?

He could drop the weapon as intended and instead place his hands in two positions: The left on Yariel's right hip, the right on the elf's left scapula. Doing this he would simply need to push off of his left leg and twist his body while maintaining the hold. Yariel would be pulled forwards and twisted along with the boy in a clockwise spin. His right leg would drag across the boy's left, 'ramping' it off the ground. His left leg was already straightened and behind him, and would provide no resistance to either the lateral nor the forwards movement.

The elf would end up on his back at Tiem's feet, only this time laying perpendicular to his facing.

It was too slow, that was why. After all, the knife thrust was the second attempt at stopping the throw, not the first.

His left arm did have to travel more to get to the right shoulder, and his choke is missed. The right foot is slid in front of Tiem's right foot as he dips low. If Tiem was grabbing, good, that was going to make things a lot more interesting. His right foot sliding right would be countered by the shin of Yariel's right leg. With Yariel just pushing against it, his left foot given a balance of weight, turning to the right was halted in that centerline of the right feet/legs of both of them. His left foot would be sliding some to show the struggle against the throw, but not much to make any difference.

But that left one limb free: Yariel's left hand. His left foot slid left to keep the throw from occuring, his left hand stabs down, the blade striking for the back of Tiem's neck. It would drive through the flesh, the cartilage, and out the other end. The half elf wasn't intending to have to result to this method to take down Tiem, but it was the only option left to ending this fight. Even if Tiem had found a way to continue the throw, his lowered dipped position still gave Yariel an open exposure to the back of his skull, and down came the dagger.

A knife is through his throat before he could even try to counter