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 Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:13 pm
GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar thelovelyLIZ The idea is that if God is the center of our lives and we live as he wants us, we will be fulfilled and joyful! God wants us to praise him and he wants us to be thankful for all the amazing gifts that he gives us. In essance, it's kind of a win-win situation. But what if I'm happier without worshipping something and because of my nature get sent to Hell? How is that a win-win situation? neutral Why does God want us to praise him? That's very selfish...I mean, no one asked for existence. He just sort of did it. Why does He expect thanks as a selfless being? And why does He punish people who don't thank Him? Would you rather not exist? After the first few million years of toture, I have a subtle feeling that I would. xd
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:26 pm
Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar thelovelyLIZ The idea is that if God is the center of our lives and we live as he wants us, we will be fulfilled and joyful! God wants us to praise him and he wants us to be thankful for all the amazing gifts that he gives us. In essance, it's kind of a win-win situation. But what if I'm happier without worshipping something and because of my nature get sent to Hell? How is that a win-win situation? neutral Why does God want us to praise him? That's very selfish...I mean, no one asked for existence. He just sort of did it. Why does He expect thanks as a selfless being? And why does He punish people who don't thank Him? Would you rather not exist? After the first few million years of toture, I have a subtle feeling that I would. xd You were talking about being brought into existence, not going to hell. Anyways, he did it because he was lonely. He had angels to love him, but they were pure good and didn't really have another option after he cast Satan down to Earth. He needed someone else to love him, and for him to love. Doing the right thing still has meaning, but it means alot more if you have a choice. And this brings us back to my other question: Would you rather not exist instead of feeling the limitless love of our Creator?
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:46 pm
GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar thelovelyLIZ The idea is that if God is the center of our lives and we live as he wants us, we will be fulfilled and joyful! God wants us to praise him and he wants us to be thankful for all the amazing gifts that he gives us. In essance, it's kind of a win-win situation. But what if I'm happier without worshipping something and because of my nature get sent to Hell? How is that a win-win situation? neutral Why does God want us to praise him? That's very selfish...I mean, no one asked for existence. He just sort of did it. Why does He expect thanks as a selfless being? And why does He punish people who don't thank Him? Would you rather not exist? After the first few million years of toture, I have a subtle feeling that I would. xd You were talking about being brought into existence, not going to hell. Yes, but bringing me into existence with my natural inclination to be an atheist is basically equivalent to sending me to Hell. Quote: Anyways, he did it because he was lonely. He had angels to love him, but they were pure good and didn't really have another option after he cast Satan down to Earth. He needed someone else to love him, and for him to love. Doing the right thing still has meaning, but it means alot more if you have a choice. Don't you see what's wrong with that? God created us because his angels were too perfect and loved Him without an alternative. Now, with the introduction of humans, He only sees the humans that He threatened into loving Him, and who love Him regardless because of their fear of Hell. All the rest burn. The only difference I can see that He made is that He tortured billions of people for eternity in the second scenario. Quote: And this brings us back to my other question: Would you rather not exist instead of feeling the limitless love of our Creator? *Shrugs* If I didn't exist, I wouldn't even know it. And I don't know what "...feeling the limitless love of our Creator..." feels like, so I really can't say.
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:36 pm
Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar But what if I'm happier without worshipping something and because of my nature get sent to Hell? How is that a win-win situation? neutral Why does God want us to praise him? That's very selfish...I mean, no one asked for existence. He just sort of did it. Why does He expect thanks as a selfless being? And why does He punish people who don't thank Him? Would you rather not exist? After the first few million years of toture, I have a subtle feeling that I would. xd You were talking about being brought into existence, not going to hell. Yes, but bringing me into existence with my natural inclination to be an atheist is basically equivalent to sending me to Hell. How do you have a natural inclination to be an atheist? I don't get that.Quote: Anyways, he did it because he was lonely. He had angels to love him, but they were pure good and didn't really have another option after he cast Satan down to Earth. He needed someone else to love him, and for him to love. Doing the right thing still has meaning, but it means alot more if you have a choice. Don't you see what's wrong with that? God created us because his angels were too perfect and loved Him without an alternative. Now, with the introduction of humans, He only sees the humans that He threatened into loving Him, and who love Him regardless because of their fear of Hell. All the rest burn. The only difference I can see that He made is that He tortured billions of people for eternity in the second scenario. He didn't threaten us into loving him. He didn't create hell for us, he created it for the devil and his fallen angels. He's the creator of the universe. He created everything that you see, hear, taste, smell, and touch, including you. Don't you think that he deserves a little thanks?Quote: And this brings us back to my other question: Would you rather not exist instead of feeling the limitless love of our Creator? *Shrugs* If I didn't exist, I wouldn't even know it. And I don't know what "...feeling the limitless love of our Creator..." feels like, so I really can't say. Alright, I'll give you that.
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:54 pm
GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar But what if I'm happier without worshipping something and because of my nature get sent to Hell? How is that a win-win situation? neutral Why does God want us to praise him? That's very selfish...I mean, no one asked for existence. He just sort of did it. Why does He expect thanks as a selfless being? And why does He punish people who don't thank Him? Would you rather not exist? After the first few million years of toture, I have a subtle feeling that I would. xd You were talking about being brought into existence, not going to hell. Yes, but bringing me into existence with my natural inclination to be an atheist is basically equivalent to sending me to Hell. How do you have a natural inclination to be an atheist? I don't get that. Well, my personality is determined by a combination of my genetics and my environment. God had complete control over both. Therefore, God determined my personality. Quote: Quote: Anyways, he did it because he was lonely. He had angels to love him, but they were pure good and didn't really have another option after he cast Satan down to Earth. He needed someone else to love him, and for him to love. Doing the right thing still has meaning, but it means alot more if you have a choice. Don't you see what's wrong with that? God created us because his angels were too perfect and loved Him without an alternative. Now, with the introduction of humans, He only sees the humans that He threatened into loving Him, and who love Him regardless because of their fear of Hell. All the rest burn. The only difference I can see that He made is that He tortured billions of people for eternity in the second scenario. He didn't threaten us into loving him. He didn't create hell for us, he created it for the devil and his fallen angels. He's the creator of the universe. He created everything that you see, hear, taste, smell, and touch, including you. Don't you think that he deserves a little thanks?If God created Hell for Satan and his angels, why do humans go there? Don't pull that card. Sure, God created everything. But by the same token He also created everything bad in the world, or is otherwise responsible for its creation. "God is in my fingers God is in my head God is in the trigger God is in the lead God is freedom, God is truth God is power and God is proof God is fashion, God is fame God gives meaning, God give pain ... God is on the cellphone God is on the net God is in the warning God is in the threat" Halo, Porcupine Tree
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:53 pm
Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar But what if I'm happier without worshipping something and because of my nature get sent to Hell? How is that a win-win situation? neutral Why does God want us to praise him? That's very selfish...I mean, no one asked for existence. He just sort of did it. Why does He expect thanks as a selfless being? And why does He punish people who don't thank Him? Would you rather not exist? After the first few million years of toture, I have a subtle feeling that I would. xd You were talking about being brought into existence, not going to hell. Yes, but bringing me into existence with my natural inclination to be an atheist is basically equivalent to sending me to Hell. How do you have a natural inclination to be an atheist? I don't get that. Quote: Well, my personality is determined by a combination of my genetics and my environment. God had complete control over both. Therefore, God determined my personality. But you can still change to another religion besides atheism. Your personality doesn't have complete control over your choices. And your personality can change. Quote: Quote: Anyways, he did it because he was lonely. He had angels to love him, but they were pure good and didn't really have another option after he cast Satan down to Earth. He needed someone else to love him, and for him to love. Doing the right thing still has meaning, but it means alot more if you have a choice. Don't you see what's wrong with that? God created us because his angels were too perfect and loved Him without an alternative. Now, with the introduction of humans, He only sees the humans that He threatened into loving Him, and who love Him regardless because of their fear of Hell. All the rest burn. The only difference I can see that He made is that He tortured billions of people for eternity in the second scenario. He didn't threaten us into loving him. He didn't create hell for us, he created it for the devil and his fallen angels. He's the creator of the universe. He created everything that you see, hear, taste, smell, and touch, including you. Don't you think that he deserves a little thanks?Quote: If God created Hell for Satan and his angels, why do humans go there? Don't pull that card. Sure, God created everything. But by the same token He also created everything bad in the world, or is otherwise responsible for its creation. Actually, humans are kind of responsible for the evil stuff. God gave us a choice in the Garden of Eden - basically be good or be bad. We chose bad. All of the evil was released into the world then. Satan, though, was God's responsibility. But he created Satan so that there would be a choice. Free will. "God is in my fingers God is in my head God is in the trigger God is in the lead God is freedom, God is truth God is power and God is proof God is fashion, God is fame God gives meaning, God give pain ... God is on the cellphone God is on the net God is in the warning God is in the threat" Halo, Porcupine Tree I kind of get those lyrics.
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:43 pm
GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar But what if I'm happier without worshipping something and because of my nature get sent to Hell? How is that a win-win situation? neutral Why does God want us to praise him? That's very selfish...I mean, no one asked for existence. He just sort of did it. Why does He expect thanks as a selfless being? And why does He punish people who don't thank Him? Would you rather not exist? After the first few million years of toture, I have a subtle feeling that I would. xd You were talking about being brought into existence, not going to hell. Yes, but bringing me into existence with my natural inclination to be an atheist is basically equivalent to sending me to Hell. How do you have a natural inclination to be an atheist? I don't get that. Quote: Well, my personality is determined by a combination of my genetics and my environment. God had complete control over both. Therefore, God determined my personality. But you can still change to another religion besides atheism. Your personality doesn't have complete control over your choices. And your personality can change. But only if the environment, which God determines, requires me to do so. My personality completely determines my choices. The choices you make are completely dependent on your personality. Quote: Quote: Quote: Anyways, he did it because he was lonely. He had angels to love him, but they were pure good and didn't really have another option after he cast Satan down to Earth. He needed someone else to love him, and for him to love. Doing the right thing still has meaning, but it means alot more if you have a choice. Don't you see what's wrong with that? God created us because his angels were too perfect and loved Him without an alternative. Now, with the introduction of humans, He only sees the humans that He threatened into loving Him, and who love Him regardless because of their fear of Hell. All the rest burn. The only difference I can see that He made is that He tortured billions of people for eternity in the second scenario. He didn't threaten us into loving him. He didn't create hell for us, he created it for the devil and his fallen angels. He's the creator of the universe. He created everything that you see, hear, taste, smell, and touch, including you. Don't you think that he deserves a little thanks?Quote: If God created Hell for Satan and his angels, why do humans go there? Don't pull that card. Sure, God created everything. But by the same token He also created everything bad in the world, or is otherwise responsible for its creation. Actually, humans are kind of responsible for the evil stuff. God gave us a choice in the Garden of Eden - basically be good or be bad. We chose bad. All of the evil was released into the world then. Satan, though, was God's responsibility. But he created Satan so that there would be a choice. Free will. I don't know about you, but I don't remember choosing evil. When was this convention held and why wasn't I there to be able to express my own free will? Quote: Quote: "God is in my fingers God is in my head God is in the trigger God is in the lead God is freedom, God is truth God is power and God is proof God is fashion, God is fame God gives meaning, God give pain ... God is on the cellphone God is on the net God is in the warning God is in the threat" Halo, Porcupine Tree I kind of get those lyrics. I do, too. Did I mention that Porcupine Tree is an atheist band? That's an anti-religious song.
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:52 pm
GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar thelovelyLIZ The idea is that if God is the center of our lives and we live as he wants us, we will be fulfilled and joyful! God wants us to praise him and he wants us to be thankful for all the amazing gifts that he gives us. In essance, it's kind of a win-win situation. But what if I'm happier without worshipping something and because of my nature get sent to Hell? How is that a win-win situation? neutral Why does God want us to praise him? That's very selfish...I mean, no one asked for existence. He just sort of did it. Why does He expect thanks as a selfless being? And why does He punish people who don't thank Him? Would you rather not exist? After the first few million years of toture, I have a subtle feeling that I would. xd You were talking about being brought into existence, not going to hell. Anyways, he did it because he was lonely. He had angels to love him, but they were pure good and didn't really have another option after he cast Satan down to Earth. He needed someone else to love him, and for him to love. Doing the right thing still has meaning, but it means alot more if you have a choice. And this brings us back to my other question: Would you rather not exist instead of feeling the limitless love of our Creator? Yes, I would rather not exist than feel limitless love. As an imperfect being, it is impossible for me to know anything perfect, without being put into physical pain. Limitless love is painful to me, because I am ashamed of how inadequate I am.
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:04 pm
Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar But what if I'm happier without worshipping something and because of my nature get sent to Hell? How is that a win-win situation? neutral Why does God want us to praise him? That's very selfish...I mean, no one asked for existence. He just sort of did it. Why does He expect thanks as a selfless being? And why does He punish people who don't thank Him? Would you rather not exist? After the first few million years of toture, I have a subtle feeling that I would. xd You were talking about being brought into existence, not going to hell. Yes, but bringing me into existence with my natural inclination to be an atheist is basically equivalent to sending me to Hell. How do you have a natural inclination to be an atheist? I don't get that. Quote: Well, my personality is determined by a combination of my genetics and my environment. God had complete control over both. Therefore, God determined my personality. But you can still change to another religion besides atheism. Your personality doesn't have complete control over your choices. And your personality can change. Quote: But only if the environment, which God determines, requires me to do so. My personality completely determines my choices. The choices you make are completely dependent on your personality. No it isn't. Let's say that I am a quiet, shy, timid person (this is just to make a point.) Is it then physically impossible for me to randomly start shouting the Barney theme song in the middle of the mall just because my personality is quiet? Quote: Quote: Quote: Anyways, he did it because he was lonely. He had angels to love him, but they were pure good and didn't really have another option after he cast Satan down to Earth. He needed someone else to love him, and for him to love. Doing the right thing still has meaning, but it means alot more if you have a choice. Don't you see what's wrong with that? God created us because his angels were too perfect and loved Him without an alternative. Now, with the introduction of humans, He only sees the humans that He threatened into loving Him, and who love Him regardless because of their fear of Hell. All the rest burn. The only difference I can see that He made is that He tortured billions of people for eternity in the second scenario. He didn't threaten us into loving him. He didn't create hell for us, he created it for the devil and his fallen angels. He's the creator of the universe. He created everything that you see, hear, taste, smell, and touch, including you. Don't you think that he deserves a little thanks?Quote: If God created Hell for Satan and his angels, why do humans go there? Don't pull that card. Sure, God created everything. But by the same token He also created everything bad in the world, or is otherwise responsible for its creation. Actually, humans are kind of responsible for the evil stuff. God gave us a choice in the Garden of Eden - basically be good or be bad. We chose bad. All of the evil was released into the world then. Satan, though, was God's responsibility. But he created Satan so that there would be a choice. Free will. Quote: I don't know about you, but I don't remember choosing evil. When was this convention held and why wasn't I there to be able to express my own free will? So you are saying that you wouldn't have given in to the devil's temptation and taken the fruit from the tree? Quote: Quote: "God is in my fingers God is in my head God is in the trigger God is in the lead God is freedom, God is truth God is power and God is proof God is fashion, God is fame God gives meaning, God give pain ... God is on the cellphone God is on the net God is in the warning God is in the threat" Halo, Porcupine Tree I kind of get those lyrics. I do, too. Did I mention that Porcupine Tree is an atheist band? That's an anti-religious song. Yeah, I noticed that.
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:08 pm
Shiroi Kokoro no Mendori GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar thelovelyLIZ The idea is that if God is the center of our lives and we live as he wants us, we will be fulfilled and joyful! God wants us to praise him and he wants us to be thankful for all the amazing gifts that he gives us. In essance, it's kind of a win-win situation. But what if I'm happier without worshipping something and because of my nature get sent to Hell? How is that a win-win situation? neutral Why does God want us to praise him? That's very selfish...I mean, no one asked for existence. He just sort of did it. Why does He expect thanks as a selfless being? And why does He punish people who don't thank Him? Would you rather not exist? After the first few million years of toture, I have a subtle feeling that I would. xd You were talking about being brought into existence, not going to hell. Anyways, he did it because he was lonely. He had angels to love him, but they were pure good and didn't really have another option after he cast Satan down to Earth. He needed someone else to love him, and for him to love. Doing the right thing still has meaning, but it means alot more if you have a choice. And this brings us back to my other question: Would you rather not exist instead of feeling the limitless love of our Creator? Yes, I would rather not exist than feel limitless love. As an imperfect being, it is impossible for me to know anything perfect, without being put into physical pain. Limitless love is painful to me, because I am ashamed of how inadequate I am. Let me rephrase that - Would you rather not exist instead of being alive and getting the chance to go to heaven?
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:08 pm
GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar But what if I'm happier without worshipping something and because of my nature get sent to Hell? How is that a win-win situation? neutral Why does God want us to praise him? That's very selfish...I mean, no one asked for existence. He just sort of did it. Why does He expect thanks as a selfless being? And why does He punish people who don't thank Him? Would you rather not exist? After the first few million years of toture, I have a subtle feeling that I would. xd You were talking about being brought into existence, not going to hell. Yes, but bringing me into existence with my natural inclination to be an atheist is basically equivalent to sending me to Hell. How do you have a natural inclination to be an atheist? I don't get that. Quote: Well, my personality is determined by a combination of my genetics and my environment. God had complete control over both. Therefore, God determined my personality. But you can still change to another religion besides atheism. Your personality doesn't have complete control over your choices. And your personality can change. Quote: But only if the environment, which God determines, requires me to do so. My personality completely determines my choices. The choices you make are completely dependent on your personality. No it isn't. Let's say that I am a quiet, shy, timid person (this is just to make a point.) Is it then physically impossible for me to randomly start shouting the Barney theme song in the middle of the mall just because my personality is quiet? Of course. But your personality is what would make you do that. Why were you shouting the Barney song? Because it was part of a dare? Then your personality's tendency to accept dares made you do it. Was it to prove to me that you could go against what you think your personality is? Then it's the trait in your personality that tells you that you want to prove that you can go against your personality. Every action you take you take because your personality dictates it. Just because you do something that may surprise people who know you that doesn't mean it was a completely different person doing it. Personally, I'm a shy person. But I'm also the frontman for my band, and when I get onstage I tear down the walls I've built around myself and become a competely different person. Yet it's still me who's decided I'm going to do that. Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Anyways, he did it because he was lonely. He had angels to love him, but they were pure good and didn't really have another option after he cast Satan down to Earth. He needed someone else to love him, and for him to love. Doing the right thing still has meaning, but it means alot more if you have a choice. Don't you see what's wrong with that? God created us because his angels were too perfect and loved Him without an alternative. Now, with the introduction of humans, He only sees the humans that He threatened into loving Him, and who love Him regardless because of their fear of Hell. All the rest burn. The only difference I can see that He made is that He tortured billions of people for eternity in the second scenario. He didn't threaten us into loving him. He didn't create hell for us, he created it for the devil and his fallen angels. He's the creator of the universe. He created everything that you see, hear, taste, smell, and touch, including you. Don't you think that he deserves a little thanks?Quote: If God created Hell for Satan and his angels, why do humans go there? Don't pull that card. Sure, God created everything. But by the same token He also created everything bad in the world, or is otherwise responsible for its creation. Actually, humans are kind of responsible for the evil stuff. God gave us a choice in the Garden of Eden - basically be good or be bad. We chose bad. All of the evil was released into the world then. Satan, though, was God's responsibility. But he created Satan so that there would be a choice. Free will. Quote: I don't know about you, but I don't remember choosing evil. When was this convention held and why wasn't I there to be able to express my own free will? So you are saying that you wouldn't have given in to the devil's temptation and taken the fruit from the tree? Yes, I am. I don't tend to take advice from talking snakes, especially . I don't even really like apples. Here's the comedian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_EXqdJ4L7IQuote: Quote: Quote: "God is in my fingers God is in my head God is in the trigger God is in the lead God is freedom, God is truth God is power and God is proof God is fashion, God is fame God gives meaning, God give pain ... God is on the cellphone God is on the net God is in the warning God is in the threat" Halo, Porcupine Tree I kind of get those lyrics. I do, too. Did I mention that Porcupine Tree is an atheist band? That's an anti-religious song. Yeah, I noticed that. Ok...
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:10 pm
GuardianAngel44 Shiroi Kokoro no Mendori GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Would you rather not exist? After the first few million years of toture, I have a subtle feeling that I would. xd You were talking about being brought into existence, not going to hell. Anyways, he did it because he was lonely. He had angels to love him, but they were pure good and didn't really have another option after he cast Satan down to Earth. He needed someone else to love him, and for him to love. Doing the right thing still has meaning, but it means alot more if you have a choice. And this brings us back to my other question: Would you rather not exist instead of feeling the limitless love of our Creator? Yes, I would rather not exist than feel limitless love. As an imperfect being, it is impossible for me to know anything perfect, without being put into physical pain. Limitless love is painful to me, because I am ashamed of how inadequate I am. Let me rephrase that - Would you rather not exist instead of being alive and getting the chance to go to heaven? If I had a greater chance to go to Hell...Then yes.
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:45 pm
GuardianAngel44 Shiroi Kokoro no Mendori GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Would you rather not exist? After the first few million years of toture, I have a subtle feeling that I would. xd You were talking about being brought into existence, not going to hell. Anyways, he did it because he was lonely. He had angels to love him, but they were pure good and didn't really have another option after he cast Satan down to Earth. He needed someone else to love him, and for him to love. Doing the right thing still has meaning, but it means alot more if you have a choice. And this brings us back to my other question: Would you rather not exist instead of feeling the limitless love of our Creator? Yes, I would rather not exist than feel limitless love. As an imperfect being, it is impossible for me to know anything perfect, without being put into physical pain. Limitless love is painful to me, because I am ashamed of how inadequate I am. Let me rephrase that - Would you rather not exist instead of being alive and getting the chance to go to heaven? Depends. Are we made into perfect beings, physically, mentally and spiritually, once we enter heaven? Because if not, then we are imperfect beings surrounded by perfection, and heaven is hell.
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:57 pm
Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar But what if I'm happier without worshipping something and because of my nature get sent to Hell? How is that a win-win situation? neutral Why does God want us to praise him? That's very selfish...I mean, no one asked for existence. He just sort of did it. Why does He expect thanks as a selfless being? And why does He punish people who don't thank Him? Would you rather not exist? After the first few million years of toture, I have a subtle feeling that I would. xd You were talking about being brought into existence, not going to hell. Yes, but bringing me into existence with my natural inclination to be an atheist is basically equivalent to sending me to Hell. How do you have a natural inclination to be an atheist? I don't get that. Quote: Well, my personality is determined by a combination of my genetics and my environment. God had complete control over both. Therefore, God determined my personality. But you can still change to another religion besides atheism. Your personality doesn't have complete control over your choices. And your personality can change. Quote: But only if the environment, which God determines, requires me to do so. My personality completely determines my choices. The choices you make are completely dependent on your personality. No it isn't. Let's say that I am a quiet, shy, timid person (this is just to make a point.) Is it then physically impossible for me to randomly start shouting the Barney theme song in the middle of the mall just because my personality is quiet? Of course. Quote: But your personality is what would make you do that. Why were you shouting the Barney song? Because it was part of a dare? Then your personality's tendency to accept dares made you do it. Was it to prove to me that you could go against what you think your personality is? Then it's the trait in your personality that tells you that you want to prove that you can go against your personality. Every action you take you take because your personality dictates it. Just because you do something that may surprise people who know you that doesn't mean it was a completely different person doing it. Personally, I'm a shy person. But I'm also the frontman for my band, and when I get onstage I tear down the walls I've built around myself and become a competely different person. Yet it's still me who's decided I'm going to do that. But it still doesn't completely determine the choices you make. Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: Anyways, he did it because he was lonely. He had angels to love him, but they were pure good and didn't really have another option after he cast Satan down to Earth. He needed someone else to love him, and for him to love. Doing the right thing still has meaning, but it means alot more if you have a choice. Don't you see what's wrong with that? God created us because his angels were too perfect and loved Him without an alternative. Now, with the introduction of humans, He only sees the humans that He threatened into loving Him, and who love Him regardless because of their fear of Hell. All the rest burn. The only difference I can see that He made is that He tortured billions of people for eternity in the second scenario. He didn't threaten us into loving him. He didn't create hell for us, he created it for the devil and his fallen angels. He's the creator of the universe. He created everything that you see, hear, taste, smell, and touch, including you. Don't you think that he deserves a little thanks?Quote: If God created Hell for Satan and his angels, why do humans go there? Don't pull that card. Sure, God created everything. But by the same token He also created everything bad in the world, or is otherwise responsible for its creation. Actually, humans are kind of responsible for the evil stuff. God gave us a choice in the Garden of Eden - basically be good or be bad. We chose bad. All of the evil was released into the world then. Satan, though, was God's responsibility. But he created Satan so that there would be a choice. Free will. Quote: I don't know about you, but I don't remember choosing evil. When was this convention held and why wasn't I there to be able to express my own free will? So you are saying that you wouldn't have given in to the devil's temptation and taken the fruit from the tree? Quote: Yes, I am. I don't tend to take advice from talking snakes, especially . I don't even really like apples. First off, the fruit is never specified. Just to let you know. Secondly, we are talking about the Devil here. The Father of Lies. It must have sounded like the greatest idea that ever could be thought up. I'm pretty sure that you, and anyone else who heard him, would have. He's kinda funny, but I don't like him insulting my religion.
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:58 pm
Shiroi Kokoro no Mendori GuardianAngel44 Shiroi Kokoro no Mendori GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Would you rather not exist? After the first few million years of toture, I have a subtle feeling that I would. xd You were talking about being brought into existence, not going to hell. Anyways, he did it because he was lonely. He had angels to love him, but they were pure good and didn't really have another option after he cast Satan down to Earth. He needed someone else to love him, and for him to love. Doing the right thing still has meaning, but it means alot more if you have a choice. And this brings us back to my other question: Would you rather not exist instead of feeling the limitless love of our Creator? Yes, I would rather not exist than feel limitless love. As an imperfect being, it is impossible for me to know anything perfect, without being put into physical pain. Limitless love is painful to me, because I am ashamed of how inadequate I am. Let me rephrase that - Would you rather not exist instead of being alive and getting the chance to go to heaven? Depends. Are we made into perfect beings, physically, mentally and spiritually, once we enter heaven? Because if not, then we are imperfect beings surrounded by perfection, and heaven is hell. I'm pretty sure that we're made perfect. It wouldn't make sense if we weren't, because then it would be pretty similar to hell.
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