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Ruevian
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:12 pm


Now that I've "recovered" a bit from my favorite character dying, I thought about what would happen from here.

Personally, I would not be surprised if, after Voldemort is defeated and everyone becomes full-fledged adults, that Harry doesn't become an Auror, but forms his own unique group of policing wizards and witches after Dark magic users, with Ron and Hermione with him as partners. I say this based on his growing distaste for the Ministry and his inability to do anything by the book, as surely an Auror must.

Maybe they'll call it Dumbledore's Army. T__T
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:21 pm


Additionally, MAN, check out this awesome fan artist:

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:45 pm


Ruevian
Additionally, MAN, check out this awesome fan artist:
http://edgeworlds.com/news.html

Impressive.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:12 am


I think JKR has something against transportation.

And suprisingly, with this book being full of love and everything, why wasn't there any Valentine's Day celebration?

Solens


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:50 am


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I think JKR has something against transportation.

And suprisingly, with this book being full of love and everything, why wasn't there any Valentine's Day celebration?


I actually had this discussion with another friend of mine.

The books are, for the most part, written in Harry's perspective. Thus, we only focus on that which Harry focuses on being important during the year. His conflict with Hermione was detailed because he was focusing on that, it was important to him. His growing jealousy over Ginny was detailed because it was occupying his thoughts much of the time, even though he was trying to put it out of it. His obsession about stopping Malfoy occupied a lot of the book because he was focusing on that. And of course, Dumbledore's lessons and the Horcruxes.

Basically, the holidays and classes weren't as important to Harry, since he was spending his time trying to figure out his feelings, and trying to reconcile the rift between his best friends, and keeping track of his enemies.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:34 am


I loved this book, except for the... *sob*

I think Alli's point about POV is really important - and the most notable thing about this book is there was no Great Reveal (tm). Usually the last few chapters are "and here's how what you thought was up was down, and what you thought was black was white." Not so in this book.

I like Ginny, though. All of them, really. And I used to be Harry from book five. sweatdrop

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:59 pm


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I loved this book, except for the... *sob*

I think Alli's point about POV is really important - and the most notable thing about this book is there was no Great Reveal (tm). Usually the last few chapters are "and here's how what you thought was up was down, and what you thought was black was white." Not so in this book.

I like Ginny, though. All of them, really. And I used to be Harry from book five. sweatdrop
Well, she did say that this book was Part One to book 7's Part Two.

I was Book 5 Harry too
PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:19 pm


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I was Book 5 Harry too

We'll just be embarrassed together, then. But it explains why I was all O_O when people said he wasn't realistic...

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 1:29 am


*sobs quietly in the corner*

I missed like almost all of the points that were pointed out eariler. I tried to figure out who RAB was for a while... sweatdrop

Also, I thought that the OoP had more then one secret keeper for the place?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:50 am


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Also, I thought that the OoP had more then one secret keeper for the place?

...I'll have to check on that, actually. I only read OoP once. I'm afraid Fandom Wank has lessened my love of the books appreciably. sweatdrop

And don't feel bad; I almost always miss points in Rowling's books. I'm disgustingly credulous. wink

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 4:51 am


Ugh. You guys make me feel dumb in comparison to how much I missed. And kind of what I say as I can't (and wouldn't) go look up page numbers and evidence for my thoughts.

Anyway, on wishful thinking:

Definitely think that Snape's still playing a double crosser. I think it doesn't seem right that Dumbledore would plead to Snape for his own life.

On the same wishful thinking of Dumbledore's death, silent-cast spells were introduced as a common practice. Maybe they serve more role to be revealed later. On the other hand, Snape is at an better angle to bring down Voldermort than Dumbledore is, and I think the latter knows it. The only motive I could think of though for Snape's mission would be guilt though rofl .

Guilt... well he did attempt to save him with a counter curse in the first book. It wasn't necessary, but an attempt was made. I think from Snape's point of view, the only person that would attack Harry was either Voldermort, or somebody on Voldermort's orders. Of course there might not have been time to think of motive on his part... but there are even more blatant examples where the time was right to kill Voldermort's equal, but just didn't get around to it.

= And on other things... eh. I have to conclude that lightning striking a tower is simply the "Tower" tarot card. Nothingn significant... or I should research tarot more and check.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:15 pm


What does everyone think about the rumor of Harry possibly being a horcrux? I know it was mentioned before in brief, but there's a good case for it either way. And it might explain why Snape, if evil, didn't try to kill Harry.

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It's possible that Harry is the sixth horcrux, and it is physically located in his body at the location of his famous scar.

We learn in the very first Harry Potter book, Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, that Harry can speak to snakes. We learn more about this in the next book, Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. Harry is a Parseltongue, and this plays a big part in his battle in the book against Tom Riddle and the basilisk, a really big snake.

At the end of the book, Harry and Dumbledore are talking about the recent battle, and Harry's fear that he might be the heir of Slytherin. Dumbledore tells Harry:

"You can speak Parseltongue, Harry," said Dumbledore calmly, "because Lord Voldemort -- who is the last remaining ancestor of Salazar Slytherin -- can speak Parseltongue. Unless I'm much mistaken, he transferred some of his own powers to you the night he gave you that scar. Not something he intended to do, I'm sure ..." "Voldemort put a bit of himself in me?" Harry said, thunderstruck. "It certainly seems so." (CoS pg. 332/245)

We know J.K. uses very specific words on purpose. Notice Harry says, "Voldemort put a bit of himself in me" and Dumbledore says "It certainly seems so."

In the context of the second book, as readers we assumed they meant this in a general, unspecified way. But now that we've learned what horcruxes are, literally a bit of a person's immortal soul that is placed in a container for access later, "Voldemort put a bit of himself in me" certainly sounds just like what a horcrux is, doesn't it?

And although we would tend to assume horcruxes are inanimate objects like rings, lockets and cups, Dumbledore himself suggests in Half-Blood Prince that the snake Nagini is very possibly a horcrux. So, its possible for a horcrux to be in a person, like Harry.

Working back from this assumption, let's look at the other clues.

In the first book, Hagrid tells Harry:

"Never wondered how you got that mark on yer forehead? That was no ordinary cut. Thats what yeh get when a powerful evil curse touches yeh." (SS/PS pg. 55/45)

Once again, notice the words. "A powerful evil curse". That pretty much describes horcruxes again, doesn't it? In Half-Blood Prince, the horcrux is described as the most evil of any magic, so evil that its very mention is banned in Hogwarts.

From the very first book we were shown that Harry was a parseltongue (although we didn't know right away what it was called), and we were also shown that there was a connection between Harry and Voldemort via Harry's scar. In the first book his scar hurts when he looks at Quirrel, we only learn at the end of the book that it was actually hurting because Voldemort was in Quirrel's head at the time. As the books progress, this connection culminates in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, as we learn that, via the scar, both Harry and Voldemort can tell what the other is feeling.

During the course of the book, we see steps being taken to minimize the effects of this connection (Harry taking Occlumency lessons, Dumbledore avoiding his gaze). But we're never given a good, specific explanation for why Harry's scar could cause this psychic connection between them. Physically having a piece of Voldemort's soul in him would certainly explain this very nicely, wouldn't it?

There is so much that is not known about the events at Godrics Hollow on the night of Halloween, 1981. All we know is that, because of Lily's sacrifice, Voldemort's Avada Kedavra curse intended for Harry rebounded back onto Voldemort himself, leaving him almost dead. We know that, as part of the process of making a horcrux, it is necessary to commit a murder. Voldemort entered James and Lily's house intending to murder them that night. What if he was already planning on making a horcrux that night, but because of the unexpected rebounding of his Avada Kedavra curse onto himself, he inadvertently and accidentally ended up putting a bit of his soul into Harry?

The ultimate question is, why is Harry "The Boy Who Lived"? We surmise it was Lily's love that caused Voldemort's Avada Kedavra to rebound onto himself, but what actually allowed Harry to live through it with only a scar to show for it, when Voldemort was almost killed by it?

We know that a horcrux will prevent the horcrux's maker from dieing. Is it possible that the bit of Voldemort's soul in Harry's head is what actually allowed him to survive the attack that no wizard had ever survived before?

And here's the part I don't like thinking about. The prophecy says "neither can live while the other survives". It would seem that Harry is safe, because Voldemort would never kill Harry, if Harry is his last remaining horcrux. But, we know Harry must destroy all the horcruxes before he can kill Voldemort. How can he destroy all the horcruxes when he's one of them himself? It certainly looks like Harry must die, but if he's the only one the prophecy says can kill Voldemort, how can he do that if he, himself, has to die first?



Live topic! Live, I say! scream

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:35 pm


Keith Olberman, on Countdown, mentioned something similar, if I remember correctly. His solution: Harry gives up his magical abilities to remove the scar and horcrux.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:39 pm


Tagra Nar
Keith Olberman, on Countdown, mentioned something similar, if I remember correctly. His solution: Harry gives up his magical abilities to remove the scar and horcrux.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. gonk

Magic is all Harry's BEEN learning in the past couple of years! Sure, he'd be able to make a killing off of writing a best selling book for the Witchcraft world to read during this adventures of life, but I don't think that Harry would want that as his life after graduation! gonk

What kind of job would be left for a magicless wizard!?

and I've been having a mild job/career fixtation lately. sweatdrop

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:21 pm


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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. gonk

Magic is all Harry's BEEN learning in the past couple of years! Sure, he'd be able to make a killing off of writing a best selling book for the Witchcraft world to read during this adventures of life, but I don't think that Harry would want that as his life after graduation! gonk

But how perfectly symbolic! As the end of the series comes, as Harry finally leaves the magical world, so do we, in effect. ninja
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What kind of job would be left for a magicless wizard!?

Fitch. Fatch. Whatever his name is, the creepy old janitor-type guy with the cat, got a job without any real magical ability, iirc.
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and I've been having a mild job/career fixtation lately. sweatdrop

S'alright. whee
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