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 Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 3:33 pm
[BlkCat] Raistlin of Krynn I would have to agree that in the broad scense it is a placebo effect going on. A lot of times with people who arent really aware of all the surges in energy take things a little too seriously. In one of the threads Mitsh posted on page 1, a lot of them are making an energy surge out to mean the end of the "Veil". Bullshit. The "veil", if we can call it that (I prefer the term cell wall), between Astral and Physical is not coming down in the way most think it is. Throughout history there have been times of Myth and Magick, which would be the "Veil" acting like a thin cell wall...more can get through, but its not completely gone. The times of Magick and Mythology are always followed by an era of Technology and Advancement...like oh say, The Rennaissance...or the Industrial Revolution... Again Looking at history it is a natural shift. As early as the late 1800's Magick was back on the rise. (Hell, the Golden Dawn and all its offshoots can attest to that.) The veil is not going to be torn down. And I personally have a hard time taking anybody seriously when they claim "I AM TAKING THE VEIL DOWN MYSELF!!!!! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!". ...BullshitThe "veil" is there, it isnt coming down, most people are over reacting. If people are feeling energy from the veil, its because there is more psychic energy coming through. Thats it. We are nearing the new age. The "veil" can not be weakened by one person with an ego, or a hundred people with ego's. Even look at the word Veil. Its an object used to mask something. Whatever is Beyond it that can harm us already has access to this plane. Do you really think we are special people who are the only ones who can cross over? What about energy parasites...last I recalled they were Astral... they seem to have no problems getting through. And if there is something really horrible that will destroy this world, it has done a decent job keeping to itself. [RANT]And also in regards to that thread Mitsh posted, the mods on that guild are very noobish. If they so much as get corrected they ban you. Somebody corrected them on a quotation from Aleister Crowley and got banned because it made the mod look retarded. [/RANT] Anyways, I will end this post with an old saying that I believe in... Let Nothing be unknown to you.Well as for me, I'm running tons of theories and scenarios as to how the veil COULD come down and have a theory in progress of how I could bring it down myself, however I do not(nor would not ever) claim to be able too (unless it actually worked, lawl). As for correcting them on the Aleister Crowley quote, I'm [Butch], and I wasn't banned for that xD. I was banned for the raid me and Cassidy pulled. Yeah, that s**t was highly annoying.
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 3:48 pm
Lost Elf [BlkCat] Raistlin of Krynn I would have to agree that in the broad scense it is a placebo effect going on. A lot of times with people who arent really aware of all the surges in energy take things a little too seriously. In one of the threads Mitsh posted on page 1, a lot of them are making an energy surge out to mean the end of the "Veil". Bullshit. The "veil", if we can call it that (I prefer the term cell wall), between Astral and Physical is not coming down in the way most think it is. Throughout history there have been times of Myth and Magick, which would be the "Veil" acting like a thin cell wall...more can get through, but its not completely gone. The times of Magick and Mythology are always followed by an era of Technology and Advancement...like oh say, The Rennaissance...or the Industrial Revolution... Again Looking at history it is a natural shift. As early as the late 1800's Magick was back on the rise. (Hell, the Golden Dawn and all its offshoots can attest to that.) The veil is not going to be torn down. And I personally have a hard time taking anybody seriously when they claim "I AM TAKING THE VEIL DOWN MYSELF!!!!! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!". ...BullshitThe "veil" is there, it isnt coming down, most people are over reacting. If people are feeling energy from the veil, its because there is more psychic energy coming through. Thats it. We are nearing the new age. The "veil" can not be weakened by one person with an ego, or a hundred people with ego's. Even look at the word Veil. Its an object used to mask something. Whatever is Beyond it that can harm us already has access to this plane. Do you really think we are special people who are the only ones who can cross over? What about energy parasites...last I recalled they were Astral... they seem to have no problems getting through. And if there is something really horrible that will destroy this world, it has done a decent job keeping to itself. [RANT]And also in regards to that thread Mitsh posted, the mods on that guild are very noobish. If they so much as get corrected they ban you. Somebody corrected them on a quotation from Aleister Crowley and got banned because it made the mod look retarded. [/RANT] Anyways, I will end this post with an old saying that I believe in... Let Nothing be unknown to you.Well as for me, I'm running tons of theories and scenarios as to how the veil COULD come down and have a theory in progress of how I could bring it down myself, however I do not(nor would not ever) claim to be able too (unless it actually worked, lawl). As for correcting them on the Aleister Crowley quote, I'm [Butch], and I wasn't banned for that xD. I was banned for the raid me and Cassidy pulled. Yeah, that s**t was highly annoying. Then don't look at it, not my fault you don't know how to close a webpage.
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Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 5:42 pm
[BlkCat] Lost Elf [BlkCat] Raistlin of Krynn I would have to agree that in the broad scense it is a placebo effect going on. A lot of times with people who arent really aware of all the surges in energy take things a little too seriously. In one of the threads Mitsh posted on page 1, a lot of them are making an energy surge out to mean the end of the "Veil". Bullshit. The "veil", if we can call it that (I prefer the term cell wall), between Astral and Physical is not coming down in the way most think it is. Throughout history there have been times of Myth and Magick, which would be the "Veil" acting like a thin cell wall...more can get through, but its not completely gone. The times of Magick and Mythology are always followed by an era of Technology and Advancement...like oh say, The Rennaissance...or the Industrial Revolution... Again Looking at history it is a natural shift. As early as the late 1800's Magick was back on the rise. (Hell, the Golden Dawn and all its offshoots can attest to that.) The veil is not going to be torn down. And I personally have a hard time taking anybody seriously when they claim "I AM TAKING THE VEIL DOWN MYSELF!!!!! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!". ...BullshitThe "veil" is there, it isnt coming down, most people are over reacting. If people are feeling energy from the veil, its because there is more psychic energy coming through. Thats it. We are nearing the new age. The "veil" can not be weakened by one person with an ego, or a hundred people with ego's. Even look at the word Veil. Its an object used to mask something. Whatever is Beyond it that can harm us already has access to this plane. Do you really think we are special people who are the only ones who can cross over? What about energy parasites...last I recalled they were Astral... they seem to have no problems getting through. And if there is something really horrible that will destroy this world, it has done a decent job keeping to itself. [RANT]And also in regards to that thread Mitsh posted, the mods on that guild are very noobish. If they so much as get corrected they ban you. Somebody corrected them on a quotation from Aleister Crowley and got banned because it made the mod look retarded. [/RANT] Anyways, I will end this post with an old saying that I believe in... Let Nothing be unknown to you.Well as for me, I'm running tons of theories and scenarios as to how the veil COULD come down and have a theory in progress of how I could bring it down myself, however I do not(nor would not ever) claim to be able too (unless it actually worked, lawl). As for correcting them on the Aleister Crowley quote, I'm [Butch], and I wasn't banned for that xD. I was banned for the raid me and Cassidy pulled. Yeah, that s**t was highly annoying. Then don't look at it, not my fault you don't know how to close a webpage. I just thought it was anoying for everyone else...and plus I like that guild too much.
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:25 pm
Raistlin of Krynn Mitsh Honestly, it sounds like a bad sitcom. I ain't naming other names, since this is the "Don't mess with the Veil" thread, not the "Don't mess with Mysteric Realms" thread. LMFAO!!!! That makes me think there should be a "******** with MR thread". I got banned and had posts deleted because I explained why somebody who claims to be great at ritual, then says that they cant get stuff to work, and wonders why I told them not to do webspeak...(nevermind the fact that its irritating, but any serious practitioner of Magick will tell you attention to detail is important and if you don't spell right things won't work.) Mitsh you should know who I'm referring to LOL gawds, if you are going to make fun of my guild, atleast be HONEST about it. . that is bs that you were banned. .  and honestly, wow, I am a bit shocked here. . I thought I needed a life, but, damnit, you guys do too. . you talk about my guild for 3 pages in another guild. . never realized how important my guild was to you all. . heart and about the topic (or what was supposed to be the topic but clearly wasnt) I imagine that yah, it is going to probably take a lot more than one person to take it down. . some people have tried and they said that after they ripped a whole in it, spirits came and fixed it up. . they said suposedly it isnt time yet. .but, we will have to see how it goes I suppose. .
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:26 pm
iolitefire Hmm...dunno about it falling, but I do know that it is naturally weak in some areas. Particularly areas of untouched wilderness. There are these tiny tears that give off some mega-vibes. So mega are those energies, that even I can feel them! And I suck at detection! Explanation here is that people actually strengthen the veil in a sence as they strengthen the laws of this realm by believing in them and supporting there being. Remember other peoples wills play into the creation and stability of any active element. If people can break the veil through belief and can slip past it people can also make it harder to slip past and harder to affect even if they aren't actively trying. Reason why it can be easier to slip past along with from what I know the veil has to be maintained as most anything needs to be maintained. People imprint there beliefs on the world and its harder to interact with places that are heavily imprinted and the meanings are already assigned so to speak.
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:33 pm
psychelapis Raistlin of Krynn Mitsh Honestly, it sounds like a bad sitcom. I ain't naming other names, since this is the "Don't mess with the Veil" thread, not the "Don't mess with Mysteric Realms" thread. LMFAO!!!! That makes me think there should be a "******** with MR thread". I got banned and had posts deleted because I explained why somebody who claims to be great at ritual, then says that they cant get stuff to work, and wonders why I told them not to do webspeak...(nevermind the fact that its irritating, but any serious practitioner of Magick will tell you attention to detail is important and if you don't spell right things won't work.) Mitsh you should know who I'm referring to LOL gawds, if you are going to make fun of my guild, atleast be HONEST about it. . that is bs that you were banned. . and honestly, wow, I am a bit shocked here. . I thought I needed a life, but, damnit, you guys do too. . you talk about my guild for 3 pages in another guild. . never realized how important my guild was to you all. . heart and about the topic (or what was supposed to be the topic but clearly wasnt) I imagine that yah, it is going to probably take a lot more than one person to take it down. . some people have tried and they said that after they ripped a whole in it, spirits came and fixed it up. . they said suposedly it isnt time yet. .but, we will have to see how it goes I suppose. . Sorry Psyche...that would be my fault...I got them all riled up. I was trying to defend you guys.
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:37 pm
Its the same thing with souls... You know the whole its harder to affect people who disbelieve in spirits. People who don't believe in the realms and spirits many times subconciously shut out anything having to do with it.
Those that fear spirits will do the same
Those that believe in the laws of physics and observe laws makes it harder to tamper with laws. To tamper you have to find places where there is less of this strengthening and Also it is good to find places where yeah the construction is not as well maintained.
These do exist too... Maintenance is annoying though. You can imagine how difficult it would be to counteract and control any given place along with the number of people who exist on this plain.
It must be a bit difficult.
As to the void between this realm and the realm of the spirit it is not so much a barrier but more of a balance. THere is the outside which is that which is outside of active construction then there is the abyss which is more of a balanceing thing which is directly paralel and linked to this realm. Then there is the realm of the spirit associated with this plain as it is I think the interacting point. The paralel to this realm where spirits reside. and can interact with this realm through the link with the body and the binds with physicality.
The other realms are well seperated from the realm of the spirit which paralels this realm. The three realms are tied together and in a way seperated by the veil.
The Veil in truth can also be described as the set of laws associated with this realm. Pretty much the buffer of interaction for this realm which I guess may tie into the structure and physics of this realm.
If you think about the rammifications of the removal of this buffer for a second well full removal vrs partial or maybe just restructuring.
I have seen different ways that could go depending on what is done but just full dissolution would be pretty bad
<<<<< AND HEY LOOK RESPECTABLE ON TOPIC POSTING WOOT
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:38 pm
Lost Elf psychelapis Raistlin of Krynn Mitsh Honestly, it sounds like a bad sitcom. I ain't naming other names, since this is the "Don't mess with the Veil" thread, not the "Don't mess with Mysteric Realms" thread. LMFAO!!!! That makes me think there should be a "******** with MR thread". I got banned and had posts deleted because I explained why somebody who claims to be great at ritual, then says that they cant get stuff to work, and wonders why I told them not to do webspeak...(nevermind the fact that its irritating, but any serious practitioner of Magick will tell you attention to detail is important and if you don't spell right things won't work.) Mitsh you should know who I'm referring to LOL gawds, if you are going to make fun of my guild, atleast be HONEST about it. . that is bs that you were banned. . and honestly, wow, I am a bit shocked here. . I thought I needed a life, but, damnit, you guys do too. . you talk about my guild for 3 pages in another guild. . never realized how important my guild was to you all. . heart and about the topic (or what was supposed to be the topic but clearly wasnt) I imagine that yah, it is going to probably take a lot more than one person to take it down. . some people have tried and they said that after they ripped a whole in it, spirits came and fixed it up. . they said suposedly it isnt time yet. .but, we will have to see how it goes I suppose. . Sorry Psyche...that would be my fault...I got them all riled up. I was trying to defend you guys. oh, dont worry about it. . it wasnt your fault that they have nothing better to do than talk about my guild. . XDDD
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:54 pm
psychelapis Lost Elf psychelapis Raistlin of Krynn Mitsh Honestly, it sounds like a bad sitcom. I ain't naming other names, since this is the "Don't mess with the Veil" thread, not the "Don't mess with Mysteric Realms" thread. LMFAO!!!! That makes me think there should be a "******** with MR thread". I got banned and had posts deleted because I explained why somebody who claims to be great at ritual, then says that they cant get stuff to work, and wonders why I told them not to do webspeak...(nevermind the fact that its irritating, but any serious practitioner of Magick will tell you attention to detail is important and if you don't spell right things won't work.) Mitsh you should know who I'm referring to LOL gawds, if you are going to make fun of my guild, atleast be HONEST about it. . that is bs that you were banned. . and honestly, wow, I am a bit shocked here. . I thought I needed a life, but, damnit, you guys do too. . you talk about my guild for 3 pages in another guild. . never realized how important my guild was to you all. . heart and about the topic (or what was supposed to be the topic but clearly wasnt) I imagine that yah, it is going to probably take a lot more than one person to take it down. . some people have tried and they said that after they ripped a whole in it, spirits came and fixed it up. . they said suposedly it isnt time yet. .but, we will have to see how it goes I suppose. . Sorry Psyche...that would be my fault...I got them all riled up. I was trying to defend you guys. oh, dont worry about it. . it wasnt your fault that they have nothing better to do than talk about my guild. . XDDD Shouldn't you be tending to your guild instead of trying to stir up more drama?
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:54 pm
To take down the veil you would have to have enough influence and knowledge to deconstruct the laws of the realm... you would have to be able to discount the will of at least half the people of this realm. You would also have to discount whatever beings are in support of the realm from the outside of this realm which are knowledgeable of the structure of the realm and maintain it and make sure it remains for the most part free of influence. You would have to work around and go through the shields of this realm. You would have to be able to act against anything defending this realm
So first how does anyone manage to get info on the structure of this realm. Most likely it would be better to work against it from inside the realm. There are many different groups working towards this. lol
So... by being a part of this realm you loose memoiries and most ties to that which is outside this realm so don't keep concious knowledge of the structure of the realm that you may have gleaned outside of the realm.
This added to the fact that your soo caought up in the normal life of this realm that you may not even practice anything while here.
The best any one can truly hope for is to bring someone into this realm who has full knowledge of the working of the wards structure and the Everything of this realm... a highly intelligent motivated being and to do this is Very dificult since you have to sneak them in. Anyone who has will enough to break it down from the inside has trouble entering the realm in the first place.
Mostly what enters into this realm trying are petty small beings seeking glory and power which they can never achieve and think that by doing this they'll make a name for them selves. Everyon picks a target some pick the veil
In anycase motivation and will and ability and knowledge aside... they'd have to slip by alot of radar
They would have to have Alot of surpise on there hands... shielding of intent and purpose picking of location surprise. I doubt people REALLY plan it out THAT well.
It would most likely take more then one person to take it down. I would suggest distraction of forces to another threat which makes those in control and influence change there lets say concentration and changes the structure of the realm to a begree that makes it easier for someone else to get away with it without there influence over matters getting shut down.
Other suchness... all in all I doubt anyone will actually suceed. Attempt after attempt every year it would take someone smarter then a person posting in a guild and a group of people who have alot of knowledge and influence... Detailed knowledge and understanding of the working of the universe which would somehow sneak under radar for a period of time to gather others of the same sort. Most practitioners really aren't very "quiet" so to speak. Influence can be found pretty easily by most. No one is paanoid or thoughtful enough by far. No one does this seriously...
And not really for the right reasons either...
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:56 pm
Obscurus psychelapis Lost Elf psychelapis Raistlin of Krynn Mitsh Honestly, it sounds like a bad sitcom. I ain't naming other names, since this is the "Don't mess with the Veil" thread, not the "Don't mess with Mysteric Realms" thread. LMFAO!!!! That makes me think there should be a "******** with MR thread". I got banned and had posts deleted because I explained why somebody who claims to be great at ritual, then says that they cant get stuff to work, and wonders why I told them not to do webspeak...(nevermind the fact that its irritating, but any serious practitioner of Magick will tell you attention to detail is important and if you don't spell right things won't work.) Mitsh you should know who I'm referring to LOL gawds, if you are going to make fun of my guild, atleast be HONEST about it. . that is bs that you were banned. . and honestly, wow, I am a bit shocked here. . I thought I needed a life, but, damnit, you guys do too. . you talk about my guild for 3 pages in another guild. . never realized how important my guild was to you all. . heart and about the topic (or what was supposed to be the topic but clearly wasnt) I imagine that yah, it is going to probably take a lot more than one person to take it down. . some people have tried and they said that after they ripped a whole in it, spirits came and fixed it up. . they said suposedly it isnt time yet. .but, we will have to see how it goes I suppose. . Sorry Psyche...that would be my fault...I got them all riled up. I was trying to defend you guys. oh, dont worry about it. . it wasnt your fault that they have nothing better to do than talk about my guild. . XDDD Shouldn't you be tending to your guild instead of trying to stir up more drama? I don't think she's trying to stir up more trouble...and she tends her guild very well.
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:02 pm
Ok children, we all need to settle down now. It will be ok, I promise.
I've been watching this for a while, and it's turned from intelligent discussion to just bickering and throwing out personal attacks. Just let it die. No one's going to win here. There were mistakes by both parties, but it doesn't matter. Just leave it alone. Apologies would be nice, but I think that's pushing it a little. Plus, I'm not that bad.
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:08 pm
I believe she was just trying to fix an error in perception. There is quite a difference between that and stiring up drama. Though stiring up would be quite easy in this case. Since the people involved do seema bit hostile concerning her and the guild.
I mean I am sure that anything written by her at this point would just kinda provoke attack from them be it mild or not....
But who knows they may meditate a little more on her guild and her person and try to understand why she would be as she is without an overly critical veiw and not attack her.
But to each there own...
In anycase the main purpose of this thread is talking about the veil which I believe she has in her posts. The topic is not I believe chastise or insult le psyche her guild or its members however deserving of insulting you may think them.
To each there own perceptions observations and beliefs.
Freedom of discussion is a lovely thing ^_^
Though making a thread devoted to off topic discussion is always a useful thing Too!
I mean a thread citiquing perception and beliefs can always be made
In anycase... back to the previous topic!
Since I do ever find the veil Interesting...
I mean questions always exist as to its nature and well everything...
I have actually made attempts to show people it before... and assisted attempts at breaking it but none were very concerted. My best guess is that to be bonded to the realm and then using the bonds that exist between the body and the world are needed in order to disassemble it.
To interact with it you need to be binded to it IE bonded to a body so that your soul can influence the body and form to interact. Spirits which interact with this realm have to create there own bonds usually they just use ambient or unformed energy in there workings because most don't know enough to bond to the realm.
I have had a little experience with having to break bonds spirits created in order to "haunt a place' a bond to physicality is needed to affect the rest of physicality as far as I can tell so that should be a starting point in trying to figure out how to deconstruct the realm and perhaps the nature of the veil.
but eh... I don't feel like talking about it anymore
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:16 pm
I don't feel that the veil is an actual thing but a concept. It's an idea that's there to explain why "there" isn't "here". It's not a thing you can just pull down or punch a hole through. You can only tweak your own perception to include what's "beyond the veil" as everything is existing in the same place at the same time.
That's the way I feel about it anyway.
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Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 8:41 pm
Obscurus I don't feel that the veil is an actual thing but a concept. It's an idea that's there to explain why "there" isn't "here". It's not a thing you can just pull down or punch a hole through. You can only tweak your own perception to include what's "beyond the veil" as everything is existing in the same place at the same time. That's the way I feel about it anyway. I think of it as more... Explanation time The veil as I see it is a construction of relationships between there and here. Now it is more the product of the organization and structure of this realm.... Now it could be seen on a number of levels. To keep this realm balanced I see the structure of this realm haveing threefold parts to it. To balance it you would have nothing and then the condensation of something... Structure and the lack of structure made paralel in order to have other things not affected byt the creation of this realm. The amount of drawing of this realm... like how energy draws matter and matter draws energy... Kinda like... how something has an amount of will to draw something physicality has a certain amount of drawing potential so to speak. Not the most eloquent way of saying it or the most accurate but I don't really have words to describe soemthings But well physicality the dencity of structure has a unstructured paralel to balance the influence of this realm on others and to make sure that the laws and structure of this realm stay structured and intact. Devision of structure so that it is balanced and doesn't imprint on other realms. Devision is needed and a certain amount of control of relationships. Like making sure that what is there can't influence what is here and that there can remain there without it being here. So the actual structure of this realm in a way the veil. Everything exists in paralel at the same place but the laws of this realm prevent certain interaction on soem levels like the interaction of will and imposing will on this realm and the stoping of things which aren't bonded to this realm imposing will and influence here and the actual physical structure of things the realtionship of atoms and the laws of physicality... Physics etc. These are structured relationships. What keeps an atom an atom? Why doesn't it just revert to energy? Bindings structured relationships energy given meaning and form. What keeps you in a body? what keeps souls from possessing your body? what keeps souls from influenceing this realm... What keeps everything together. What limits how you can influence this realm. what prevents you from changing a rock into a stick and a stick into a rock... THe meanings imposed on being. The veil... Is in a way an actual thing. It is the limitations that are constructed to keep this realm as it is. It is a buffer... that is the best word I can describe for it because it buffers and regulates interaction. Erg I am failing at explainging this
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