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 Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:32 pm
Khalida Nyoka iolitefire DrasBrisingr InsiderOutside I know, I know! I'm just going with guidlines. And... My friend said that most people in the guide were Wiccan and I just didn't feel like being flooded wirth logic. That was wrong. I was making a point to the one who said "magick's for ******** around with". Not you, sorry. I need to make things clearer in my posts. xp And, on the last note, I'm bitter about religion too. I hate how most of the Catholics (in my communitee) go and preach love and harmony then growl at the gay kid. It's wrong and I know it! ...Sorry... Ranting... sweatdrop Ah, I see. I just analyze things too much, really. But I've found the Baptists to be worse than the Catholics. One of my best friends is Catholic (and we have quite a few talks about religion and such), but I have yet to meet a Baptist who I've found to be tolerable. Or at least that I know of... I can't stand Baptists. My hometown was full of them. Methodists will at least act nicely to your face (usually). The Christianish sect I can't stand the most is Jehova's Witnesses. They literally preach intolerance and if their children needed blood transfusions to live then they'd rather have the kid die. My mom (whose a doctor) had to be a witness in many cases where they had to take the child out of the JW parent's custody in order to save its life. To interject with a joke... What do you get when you cross a Unitarian and a Jehova's Witness? Someone who goes door-to-door for no reason.
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:40 pm
InsiderOutside Hah, hah, hah. stare So smart. Anywho, um... In your first post, you said you can "kick their a** verbally or bodily". It was something along those lines. You can't. It's against all the morals of the Wiccan religion, which I think is the main religion here. (I think.) Every last of the only three rules. 1 Don't hurt overs. 2 The three fold rule. 3 No self gain by magick! So yeah... You can't. Let it go and push forward. On the other hand, all the people yelling: "I need a spell!!!!!!!!!!" Probably don't know how to make a circle. *snickers* The spells, if correct, though that's a far jump, won't work properly. I find this extremly funny because I'm most likely younger and know how to prepare and carry through the circle. Hah, hah! And again, if they go and make self gain... Againrunning up to you outside, kicking over your altar, tearing your sacred circle, stealing your athame, and kicking mud on your ritual robe.st the only three rules there are. I mean, c'mon guys? How hard is it to respect three little rules that you should live by anyway? I also want to point out the fact magick isn't for "******** around with". That's childish and ignortant. But also extremly dumb and amazingly messed up. You could die doing a potion the wrong way because you were "******** around". And it, Wicca, is a self-respecting religion. You wouldn't throw all the holy water around in the church in the middle of serivce, would you? No! So don't do it with Wicca, which is what you are doing!
Third, if you equate this with someone running up to you outside, kicking over your altar, tearing your sacred circle, stealing your athame, and kicking mud on your ritual robe...
then you've obviously never had someone run up to you outside, kick over your altar, tear your sacred circle, steal your athame, and kick mud on your ritual robe.
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:28 am
Heh.
"iM in ur s4cr3d c1rcl3! Im st34l1ng ur 4th4m3z!!!!11!!!"
(I'm SO sorry, I just...*snerk*...my sense of humor is having an off-kilter day.)
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:32 pm
You children make me laugh. All of you. I need to stop drinking water while reading something funny. I just inhaled 50 gallons of it.
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Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:05 pm
Yvaine Heh. "iM in ur s4cr3d c1rcl3! Im st34l1ng ur 4th4m3z!!!!11!!!" (I'm SO sorry, I just...*snerk*...my sense of humor is having an off-kilter day.) Damnit! you made teh joke first!! lol
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:08 pm
Joshua_Ritter Yep. Not Wiccan, today. Second, the three fold rule is more of a karmic feedback then a prohibition against doing something. I mean, believing in it isn't what makes it work, right?
Third, if you equate this with someone running up to you outside, kicking over your altar, tearing your sacred circle, stealing your athame, and kicking mud on your ritual robe...
Then you've obviously never had someone run up to you outside, kick over your altar, tear your sacred circle, steal your athame, and kick mud on your ritual robe. I've learned I can really never win with you. 3nodding So I give up. You're right. But still... Can I equal screwing around with it to screwing around with wild berries? Like, see what herb kills you and what doesn't? ...Somebody should make a game-show of that... razz
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:15 pm
Just to play devil's advocate, what's the point in having it if you never use it?
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:27 pm
WingedWolfPsion Just to play devil's advocate, what's the point in having it if you never use it? The point isn't "omg! never yuse majick. it r dangeruss." No. Just no. We're not saying you can't use it at all. We just don't want to encourage using supernatural means to fulfill personal vendettas. "You stole my pencil so I'll put a curse/hex on you" kind of thing. That's what we're trying to discourage, not using magick in general.
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:40 pm
Of course, that would be petty. On the other hand, 'you stole my CAR!' might actually justify that response a bit more.
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:09 pm
WingedWolfPsion Of course, that would be petty. On the other hand, 'you stole my CAR!' might actually justify that response a bit more. "You stole my car, and instead of calling the police and reporting the theif and license plate numbers, I'm going to put a potentially damaging a life-altering curse on you that could stay with you for a very long time"? I think not. That's called "taking the law into your own hands." It's illegal. You let the justice system deal with it. As much as I hate the government and legal system, it's the truth. Scenario: A drunk runs a red light, striking a car your sister is driving. The drunk is fine, other than a few bumps and bruises, and maybe a broken arm. Your sister, however, is killed on impact. So you go to "visit" the drunk once he's out of the hospital, and shoot him in the face with your friend's hand gun. The thing you don't realize, however, is that you were just as impaired as the drunk when you killed him. He was intoxicated by alcohol, you were intoxicated by rage. It's the same thing. You're just as guilty as he was. He would have been charged with a DUI and vehicular manslaughter, but instead you have a murder charge under your belt. It's the same thing, just to a lesser degree. I hate scenarios like that, because there's a lot of things not taken into account, but they make a point nonetheless.
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:20 pm
DrasBrisingr "You stole my car, and instead of calling the police and reporting the theif and license plate numbers, I'm going to put a potentially damaging a life-altering curse on you that could stay with you for a very long time"? I think not. That's called "taking the law into your own hands." It's illegal. You let the justice system deal with it. As much as I hate the government and legal system, it's the truth. Well, no--you could call the police and report the thief, AND put a potentially damaging life-altering curse or construct on him. Taking the law into your own hands? In a way, but it is NOT illegal. In fact, any sane court of law would laugh someone right out onto the sidewalk if they tried to accuse another of cursing them. Do you feel it would not be just to exact some punishment against them for doing your life harm by stealing your car? Or, better yet, slapping them with something that will not only make them miserable, but make them more likely to get caught, so you can get your car back? Why shouldn't you? (Other than karma--I am, obviously, a non-believer in karma, which I consider to be a religious belief).
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:45 pm
WingedWolfPsion DrasBrisingr "You stole my car, and instead of calling the police and reporting the theif and license plate numbers, I'm going to put a potentially damaging a life-altering curse on you that could stay with you for a very long time"? I think not. That's called "taking the law into your own hands." It's illegal. You let the justice system deal with it. As much as I hate the government and legal system, it's the truth. Well, no--you could call the police and report the thief, AND put a potentially damaging life-altering curse or construct on him. Taking the law into your own hands? In a way, but it is NOT illegal. In fact, any sane court of law would laugh someone right out onto the sidewalk if they tried to accuse another of cursing them. Do you feel it would not be just to exact some punishment against them for doing your life harm by stealing your car? Or, better yet, slapping them with something that will not only make them miserable, but make them more likely to get caught, so you can get your car back? Why shouldn't you? (Other than karma--I am, obviously, a non-believer in karma, which I consider to be a religious belief). A little trick I've learned in the past when dealing with vendettes is instead of taking the law into your hands, tell someone who's sole purpose is to take out the 2x4 of justice and smack people around (or something to that effect). Example: You learn that your best girlfriend got beaten up by her boyfriend. She's in the hospital with broken ribs and a broken nose. You find out that the abuse has been going on for awhile and that the boy has done it to other people but hasn't been caught. You wait for law enforcement to take the guy down. That should be the first thing you do. However, say that law enforcement can't catch the abuser. That's when you go to a different source of justice. There are many beings and deities whose purpose is to punish people. What you do is have a ritual and bring an offering to the entity or deity. Then you tell them about the problem and ask if they can help you. If the injustice is legit, then they'll deal with it in their own way. It gives you the feeling of revenge but you don't suffer any of the consequences since you did nothing but "pray". Now, if your not a religious sort than I suggest working with spirits. You don't have to have a religion to work with them and there are many different kinds that could help out in cases like this. That's my input anyway!
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:48 pm
iolitefire WingedWolfPsion DrasBrisingr "You stole my car, and instead of calling the police and reporting the theif and license plate numbers, I'm going to put a potentially damaging a life-altering curse on you that could stay with you for a very long time"? I think not. That's called "taking the law into your own hands." It's illegal. You let the justice system deal with it. As much as I hate the government and legal system, it's the truth. Well, no--you could call the police and report the thief, AND put a potentially damaging life-altering curse or construct on him. Taking the law into your own hands? In a way, but it is NOT illegal. In fact, any sane court of law would laugh someone right out onto the sidewalk if they tried to accuse another of cursing them. Do you feel it would not be just to exact some punishment against them for doing your life harm by stealing your car? Or, better yet, slapping them with something that will not only make them miserable, but make them more likely to get caught, so you can get your car back? Why shouldn't you? (Other than karma--I am, obviously, a non-believer in karma, which I consider to be a religious belief). A little trick I've learned in the past when dealing with vendettes is instead of taking the law into your hands, tell someone who's sole purpose is to take out the 2x4 of justice and smack people around (or something to that effect). Example: You learn that your best girlfriend got beaten up by her boyfriend. She's in the hospital with broken ribs and a broken nose. You find out that the abuse has been going on for awhile and that the boy has done it to other people but hasn't been caught. You wait for law enforcement to take the guy down. That should be the first thing you do. However, say that law enforcement can't catch the abuser. That's when you go to a different source of justice. There are many beings and deities whose purpose is to punish people. What you do is have a ritual and bring an offering to the entity or deity. Then you tell them about the problem and ask if they can help you. If the injustice is legit, then they'll deal with it in their own way. It gives you the feeling of revenge but you don't suffer any of the consequences since you did nothing but "pray". Now, if your not a religious sort than I suggest working with spirits. You don't have to have a religion to work with them and there are many different kinds that could help out in cases like this. That's my input anyway!
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:57 pm
But, as I don't believe I'm going to suffer any ill consequences from it anyhow, why foist off the 'dirty work' onto someone else?
That and I don't work with spirit critters right now...I just don't like them.
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Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 9:59 pm
Joshua_Ritter iolitefire WingedWolfPsion DrasBrisingr "You stole my car, and instead of calling the police and reporting the theif and license plate numbers, I'm going to put a potentially damaging a life-altering curse on you that could stay with you for a very long time"? I think not. That's called "taking the law into your own hands." It's illegal. You let the justice system deal with it. As much as I hate the government and legal system, it's the truth. Well, no--you could call the police and report the thief, AND put a potentially damaging life-altering curse or construct on him. Taking the law into your own hands? In a way, but it is NOT illegal. In fact, any sane court of law would laugh someone right out onto the sidewalk if they tried to accuse another of cursing them. Do you feel it would not be just to exact some punishment against them for doing your life harm by stealing your car? Or, better yet, slapping them with something that will not only make them miserable, but make them more likely to get caught, so you can get your car back? Why shouldn't you? (Other than karma--I am, obviously, a non-believer in karma, which I consider to be a religious belief). A little trick I've learned in the past when dealing with vendettes is instead of taking the law into your hands, tell someone who's sole purpose is to take out the 2x4 of justice and smack people around (or something to that effect). Example: You learn that your best girlfriend got beaten up by her boyfriend. She's in the hospital with broken ribs and a broken nose. You find out that the abuse has been going on for awhile and that the boy has done it to other people but hasn't been caught. You wait for law enforcement to take the guy down. That should be the first thing you do. However, say that law enforcement can't catch the abuser. That's when you go to a different source of justice. There are many beings and deities whose purpose is to punish people. What you do is have a ritual and bring an offering to the entity or deity. Then you tell them about the problem and ask if they can help you. If the injustice is legit, then they'll deal with it in their own way. It gives you the feeling of revenge but you don't suffer any of the consequences since you did nothing but "pray". Now, if your not a religious sort than I suggest working with spirits. You don't have to have a religion to work with them and there are many different kinds that could help out in cases like this. That's my input anyway! Ma'at, Yama, Sekhmet (sp?), Durga, etc. There's at least one god in every panthenon who specializes in bringing down the bad folks. There's a ton of non-deities too! There's even folks for different kinds of revenge! Gorgans are great for punishing people who abuse women, Furies are known to be good to punish sins against parents, etc. The damage these entities do may not just be physical either. I once found a coven who that a dragon served them. They literally said that they controlled a dragon. So, after speaking to a dragon through some meditation (it was an Eastern sea dragon) I later found that the leaders of the coven went bankrupt and had to sell their house.
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