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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:11 pm
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:08 am
iolitefire I actually never accused you of not favoring the death penalty. I was merely bringing up the death penalty to illustrate a point. I agree that the media representation of Saddam's death was a bit much. Then again, I'm not much of a fan of the media so all that did was just add to my disgust. I brought up the idea of cultural relativity to illustrate not a solution, but a point that hadn't been broughten up yet. Sometimes people get so heavy into these discussions that perhaps a different view point may make them look at their views in a different way. That's one of the purposes for these threads. Now as for me being biased, as anthropologist yourself you should know one of the first rules/lessons: No one is unbiased. We are all colored by our worldview and our culture. I never said I was unbiased, you assumed that in your post. I never said everyone else's views were wrong either (or that they weren't entitled to have them), that is another assumption you've made. Whether or not I agree with the different views being discussed, I simply pointed out that our views are colored by worldviews and experiences. I questioned how much we could judge things like the death penalty and crime since we only see it through one pair of lenses. I also found it interesting that you "don't give a damn what someone else's culture is" yet state that you are a social anthropologist. That's kind of like being a teacher and not caring about education. Very interesting indeed. Cultural reletavists all seem to act as if they are free from bias. Even they don't mean it, it comes across in the way they present their theory. At least it does in my eyes. I don't give a damn about someone else's culture when I am not studying it. When I am not studying it, I will retain my personal beliefs, and I will express them, as I feel it to be ludicrous to maintain neutrality in matters that do not require them. If anything, this is a debate about the death penalty and Saddam. In MY eyes, it did nothing for anybody. Sure, in the Iraqis eyes, it might have done. But you have to remember. I am NOT an Iraqi, and I was not asked what an IRAQI'S viewpoint on the subject was. So, in short, I think relativism should take a back seat when it comes small personal matters. That is what I mean. Not that I think other cultures are s**t and we should annex them in a form of imperialism. neutral
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:40 am
*sigh* I must agree with people on multiple fronts. For some, it's a great act of symbolism where a malevolent dictator was finally killed for his deeds. For others, it's a needless act.
The major problem is that his death doesn't solve anything except perhaps providing a tiny bit of comfort to the families of those killed. We shouldn't be focusing ourselves on this but how to stabilize what we have torn apart and leave them be, which is much more difficult than it sounds due to the nature of the groups themselves.
I really don't want to get into a rant on this, so I'll just stop here.
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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:11 pm
I talked to my military uncle who's in a high air force position. He said, unforentauly, Saddam was really the only one with the power to stop this dumb war.
That sucked, but it got worse, on my rightous insincts.
Why does he get an easy way out? That jerk, who tortured pregnant women, children, women in gerenally, and men, just gets hanged? That idiot! We should've locked the man up, and tortured him too.
Forget the "no inhumane, cruel, or embarassing" torture. What did he do? All the above! But again, I could never torture someone, so I shouldn't be talking. I couldn't hurt him if you put the whip in my hand so...
But! Now he's dead? I hope that he's reincarnated. But damn, he better be a great person in the next life. If not... There's no excuse, anyway.
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:52 pm
InsiderOutside I talked to my military uncle who's in a high air force position. He said, unforentauly, Saddam was really the only one with the power to stop this dumb war. That sucked, but it got worse, on my rightous insincts. Why does he get an easy way out? That jerk, who tortured pregnant women, children, women in gerenally, and men, just gets hanged? That idiot! We should've locked the man up, and tortured him too. Forget the "no inhumane, cruel, or embarassing" torture. What did he do? All the above! But again, I could never torture someone, so I shouldn't be talking. I couldn't hurt him if you put the whip in my hand so... But! Now he's dead? I hope that he's reincarnated. But damn, he better be a great person in the next life. If not... There's no excuse, anyway. Eh. Torturing is as bad for us as for them, mentally. Have you ever heard of the foot in the door effect? We discussed it while talking about a movie called Murder in the First. When you feel righteous condemning the guilty, you don't feel so bad about any human being you can deem guilty. They all become the enemy.
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:42 am
i dont think it will show any imediate effects. leaders will come and go. they never last.
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 12:55 pm
[BlkCat] oh my gods.... this is sickening mad
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