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 Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:04 pm
Sanzoskitsune Ascott Sanzoskitsune Ascott Celestial Burden Here's my opinion. The theory of evolution couldn't possibly be true. It seems to sped up to me. Also, beig at the top of the food chain means nothing. You are aware that there are animals that will eat human flesh, correct? Compared to other life fors on Earth, humans are new. We''re children, and we known nothing about ourland compared to the knowledge of other animals. They are just as capable of killing us. Ah. So the theory you believe in is...? We are at the top of the food chain, and that does mean something. If there was an animal, concievably any animal in the world that a human wanted to eat, it would be a simple case of tracking it down, finding it and killing it. We know more than the animals, we can do more than the animals, and that gives us the right to eat them if we can. Ah yes it gives us the RIGHT but it doesn't mean we are forced to do so. To be able to do something does not necessarily mean we should do it. Heck we have the ability to go around killing everyone we come across does that mean we should do it or are forced to do it? No, I'm talking about ability here by the way not legally speaking. The person's decision to not eat meat is a decision they make all on their own But people are people. Animals are, well animals. People are also animals, but they're people before they're animals. I'm sorry but this logic is not working for me. People are animals, period. They are not "people" first then animals they are animals end of story. Ah! Caught in a web of deceit! You're Catholic. You follow the teachings of the bible. "God made man in his own image", didn't he? He made us seperate from and above them. How do you reconcile these two beliefs of yours?
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:04 pm
Ascott Slim95 Ascott Slim95 Ascott Celestial Burden Well, with my vegetarian friends, it's a moral thing. They don't find it right that we kill animals that are almost completely defenseless against our hunting methods. That's a result of thousands of years of evolution. We are currently at the top of the food chain. We've won. Do you think they'd find it more acceptable if we were to hunt them with spears and arrows? Because I'm all in favour of that. Like I said, some people find an affinity for animals we hunt (or just raise) as food. They feel guilty about taking their lives, or taking their lives in inhumane manners. Also, you seem to be completely forgetting about those who do it for health reasons... It's all about perception, my friend. 3nodding While it may be hard for you to understand their views, it may also be hard for them to understand yours. You have to open your mind and place your mind on both sides of the fence if you truly want an answer to your own question. Stare at things from a vegan's shoes. See? All I can see is a very boring menu for the rest of my life ¬_¬ No, I really can't see why someone would want to go against nature quite so peversely. There's probably a better way for me to put that, but I can't think of one. *shrugs* It's not necessarily boring. There's always a way to add variety to what you eat. Also, just because I eat meat doesn't mean I have an interesting menu....(Steak, potatos, lettuce, chicken, carrots, rotate xd ) It's not really "going against nature". We are humans, as you said, and humans are omnivores. We eat what we wanna. 3nodding Good point >_>. I'll admit to knowing almost nothing about a potential vegan diet; just that I can think of roughly three meals that I'd eat that didn't involve animal products. Yes, but as omnivores we should really eat everything in order to get our ideal diet, surely? Yeah idealy we should eat both meat AND vegetables, does that mean we have to? No it doesn't. It is perfectly possible to eat a fully healthy diet while cutting out meat
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:04 pm
Ascott God put us above all the other animals. We have the right to do what we want to them. Why? Animals are beneath us. No matter what your beliefs are, this is a truth. When God put man in charge of earth and all things on it, he said that man could use it as he pleased, but ordered that we be good stewards and take care of it. If that is what you meant all along, I apologize.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:05 pm
Ascott Indigo Project Jaft One more thing, humans aren't at the top of the food chain. That spot belongs to bacteria or cockroaches. I always liked the idea of the "Food Web" personally. A "chain" would indicate a distinct beginning and end, while such is not always the case. Pfft. I can eat more cockroaches than cockroaches can eat me. I can't speak for everyone of course, but I am > cockroaches. Only while you're alive.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:06 pm
Ascott Celestial Burden Indigo Project I am beginning to think that this thread exists less for the purpose of discussing the reasons for/benefits of being a vegitarian, and more to bag on people who have already made that choice. stare Well, some of us are trying to explain why, but it doesn't seem to be gettting through. For the record, I believe in a little thing called CREATION. Have you ever heard of belief in what your religion teaches, Ascott? Yes, we have the right to, but it doesn't mean we should. Here's my opinion on killing animals, if you're going to kill the animal you better use every damn part of it. You use the meat for food, the skin for something, the bones for something, and if you can you better use the sinew as well. You also better have had respect for the animal. Had you mentioned your religion to me, I'd have known that. As you didn't, it was a little hard for me to guess really, wasn't it? Even if you do believe in creation, God put us above all the other animals. We have the right to do what we want to them. Why? Animals are beneath us. No matter what your beliefs are, this is a truth. Oh really? What makes you such a prodigy that you can state such things without a doubt? We're smarter than many animals, no doubt about that, but I'm not sure if intelligence is all there is to superiority...I'd like to think that there's a certain equivalence to the world. I'm saying that it's just rude to tag on things like "No matter what your beliefs are, this is true." That makes it sound...factual. Give it an opinionated tinge, perhaps?
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:06 pm
Ascott Indigo Project Jaft One more thing, humans aren't at the top of the food chain. That spot belongs to bacteria or cockroaches. I always liked the idea of the "Food Web" personally. A "chain" would indicate a distinct beginning and end, while such is not always the case. Pfft. I can eat more cockroaches than cockroaches can eat me. I can't speak for everyone of course, but I am > cockroaches. Ahaha... They are still superior to us. Humans are at the point in where we can own our own race with war or cannibalism, who will be left to laugh at us, the insects! And in the end, we are eaten by worms. Worms. Worms eat humans too.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:06 pm
Ascott Sanzoskitsune Ascott Sanzoskitsune Ascott Celestial Burden Here's my opinion. The theory of evolution couldn't possibly be true. It seems to sped up to me. Also, beig at the top of the food chain means nothing. You are aware that there are animals that will eat human flesh, correct? Compared to other life fors on Earth, humans are new. We''re children, and we known nothing about ourland compared to the knowledge of other animals. They are just as capable of killing us. Ah. So the theory you believe in is...? We are at the top of the food chain, and that does mean something. If there was an animal, concievably any animal in the world that a human wanted to eat, it would be a simple case of tracking it down, finding it and killing it. We know more than the animals, we can do more than the animals, and that gives us the right to eat them if we can. Ah yes it gives us the RIGHT but it doesn't mean we are forced to do so. To be able to do something does not necessarily mean we should do it. Heck we have the ability to go around killing everyone we come across does that mean we should do it or are forced to do it? No, I'm talking about ability here by the way not legally speaking. The person's decision to not eat meat is a decision they make all on their own But people are people. Animals are, well animals. People are also animals, but they're people before they're animals. I'm sorry but this logic is not working for me. People are animals, period. They are not "people" first then animals they are animals end of story. Ah! Caught in a web of deceit! You're Catholic. You follow the teachings of the bible. "God made man in his own image", didn't he? He made us seperate from and above them. How do you reconcile these two beliefs of yours? First, yes I'm Catholic. Second, no I do not follow the teachings of the Bible but thats for another discussion. Yes he supposedly made us above them but that doesn't mean we're supposed to ABUSE them. We are supposed to take care of them. To some people that means not eating them. I still stand by the idea that People=animal
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:06 pm
Xikrai the Risen Being at the top of the food chain simply means we pretty much have the choice of eating everything. So, if someone chooses to eat the first step of the food chain it's their choice. Vegetarians = years of evolution. Vegetarianism is evolution at work actually. It's people realizing they have a choice in what they eat, and that meat is not the only answer.
I, choose to continue eating meat. Ah! Here's an answer! That makes sense, actually. If only anyone else actually used this as a justification.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:07 pm
Ascott Celestial Burden Indigo Project I am beginning to think that this thread exists less for the purpose of discussing the reasons for/benefits of being a vegitarian, and more to bag on people who have already made that choice. stare Well, some of us are trying to explain why, but it doesn't seem to be gettting through. For the record, I believe in a little thing called CREATION. Have you ever heard of belief in what your religion teaches, Ascott? Yes, we have the right to, but it doesn't mean we should. Here's my opinion on killing animals, if you're going to kill the animal you better use every damn part of it. You use the meat for food, the skin for something, the bones for something, and if you can you better use the sinew as well. You also better have had respect for the animal. Had you mentioned your religion to me, I'd have known that. As you didn't, it was a little hard for me to guess really, wasn't it? Even if you do believe in creation, God put us above all the other animals. We have the right to do what we want to them. Why? Animals are beneath us. No matter what your beliefs are, this is a truth. No, you are wrong. My religion states that animals and humans are all equal. I am not Christian, and using Christian logic against me will not work. Therefore we cannot use religion as a basis unless we are talking about certain religions in general. Several witches are vegentarian because we believe that we are equal to animals and that we should respect them. However, I am a witch and I do eat meant. I simply thank the spirit of the animal for letting itself be killed so that I had food to eat. We do not have the right to be cruel to animals. If you were forced to watch someone beat animals, would they still have the right to do that. For many vegetarians it more so has to do with the way the animals are killed. These animals are often treated horribly and they are killed brutally.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:08 pm
Sanzoskitsune Ascott Sanzoskitsune Ascott Sanzoskitsune Ah yes it gives us the RIGHT but it doesn't mean we are forced to do so. To be able to do something does not necessarily mean we should do it. Heck we have the ability to go around killing everyone we come across does that mean we should do it or are forced to do it? No, I'm talking about ability here by the way not legally speaking. The person's decision to not eat meat is a decision they make all on their own But people are people. Animals are, well animals. People are also animals, but they're people before they're animals. I'm sorry but this logic is not working for me. People are animals, period. They are not "people" first then animals they are animals end of story. Ah! Caught in a web of deceit! You're Catholic. You follow the teachings of the bible. "God made man in his own image", didn't he? He made us seperate from and above them. How do you reconcile these two beliefs of yours? First, yes I'm Catholic. Second, no I do not follow the teachings of the Bible but thats for another discussion. Yes he supposedly made us above them but that doesn't mean we're supposed to ABUSE them. We are supposed to take care of them. To some people that means not eating them. I still stand by the idea that People=animal You don't follow the teachings of the bible? Then you're not a Catholic. God tells you specifically that we are above other animals. What more information do you need exactly?
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:08 pm
Ascott Xikrai the Risen Being at the top of the food chain simply means we pretty much have the choice of eating everything. So, if someone chooses to eat the first step of the food chain it's their choice. Vegetarians = years of evolution. Vegetarianism is evolution at work actually. It's people realizing they have a choice in what they eat, and that meat is not the only answer.
I, choose to continue eating meat. Ah! Here's an answer! That makes sense, actually. If only anyone else actually used this as a justification. .... we HAVE been saying that, just in a different way. I have said time and again that taking meat out of a diet is a choice these people make.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:09 pm
I don't react well to some vegetarians... I, myself, beleive that all animals and people are equal... Therefore, we are all game on the scale of the food-chain.
There was a girl I knew (not very bright, imo) who became vegetarian because of the videos and stuff she saw online... A lot of them made by the PETA (never liked them)... So I have for a while associated vegetarianism (veganism, especially...) with her... an instant aversion to the idea >_<
I'd need more of an explaination on the health-reasons... :/ you can get the same balance of benefits and complications no matter which diet you choose... Cept the "raw foods" diet... that's just funny!
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:09 pm
Celestial Burden Ascott Celestial Burden Indigo Project I am beginning to think that this thread exists less for the purpose of discussing the reasons for/benefits of being a vegitarian, and more to bag on people who have already made that choice. stare Well, some of us are trying to explain why, but it doesn't seem to be gettting through. For the record, I believe in a little thing called CREATION. Have you ever heard of belief in what your religion teaches, Ascott? Yes, we have the right to, but it doesn't mean we should. Here's my opinion on killing animals, if you're going to kill the animal you better use every damn part of it. You use the meat for food, the skin for something, the bones for something, and if you can you better use the sinew as well. You also better have had respect for the animal. Had you mentioned your religion to me, I'd have known that. As you didn't, it was a little hard for me to guess really, wasn't it? Even if you do believe in creation, God put us above all the other animals. We have the right to do what we want to them. Why? Animals are beneath us. No matter what your beliefs are, this is a truth. No, you are wrong. My religion states that animals and humans are all equal. I am not Christian, and using Christian logic against me will not work. Therefore we cannot use religion as a basis unless we are talking about certain religions in general. Several witches are vegentarian because we believe that we are equal to animals and that we should respect them. However, I am a witch and I do eat meant. I simply thank the spirit of the animal for letting itself be killed so that I had food to eat. We do not have the right to be cruel to animals. If you were forced to watch someone beat animals, would they still have the right to do that. For many vegetarians it more so has to do with the way the animals are killed. These animals are often treated horribly and they are killed brutally. Ah, you're a witch. Oh dear. Carry on.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:09 pm
Ascott Sanzoskitsune Ascott Sanzoskitsune Ascott Sanzoskitsune Ah yes it gives us the RIGHT but it doesn't mean we are forced to do so. To be able to do something does not necessarily mean we should do it. Heck we have the ability to go around killing everyone we come across does that mean we should do it or are forced to do it? No, I'm talking about ability here by the way not legally speaking. The person's decision to not eat meat is a decision they make all on their own But people are people. Animals are, well animals. People are also animals, but they're people before they're animals. I'm sorry but this logic is not working for me. People are animals, period. They are not "people" first then animals they are animals end of story. Ah! Caught in a web of deceit! You're Catholic. You follow the teachings of the bible. "God made man in his own image", didn't he? He made us seperate from and above them. How do you reconcile these two beliefs of yours? First, yes I'm Catholic. Second, no I do not follow the teachings of the Bible but thats for another discussion. Yes he supposedly made us above them but that doesn't mean we're supposed to ABUSE them. We are supposed to take care of them. To some people that means not eating them. I still stand by the idea that People=animal You don't follow the teachings of the bible? Then you're not a Catholic. God tells you specifically that we are above other animals. What more information do you need exactly? Don't tell me what religion I am, I know what religion I am and you have NO right to tell me what I follow and what I don't follow. I never ASKED you for information I am simply stating reasons that vegetarians are vegetarians, I never said I was one. Stop making assumptions.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 6:09 pm
Sanzoskitsune Ascott Xikrai the Risen Being at the top of the food chain simply means we pretty much have the choice of eating everything. So, if someone chooses to eat the first step of the food chain it's their choice. Vegetarians = years of evolution. Vegetarianism is evolution at work actually. It's people realizing they have a choice in what they eat, and that meat is not the only answer.
I, choose to continue eating meat. Ah! Here's an answer! That makes sense, actually. If only anyone else actually used this as a justification. .... we HAVE been saying that, just in a different way. I have said time and again that taking meat out of a diet is a choice these people make. This was the first gentleman to demonstrate how this was a logical decision.
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