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 Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:04 pm
Dimitria rock_action What drives me insane are the people who call themselves "whatever~chan". I have yet to hear ANYONE refer to themselves with an honorific here. At all. Ever.
So why do Japanophiles do it? Well, small children do it in Japan. My host sister used to refer to herself as "Rin-chan" all the time. (She was 5.) Since children do it, anime and manga characters that are supposed to very young or childish also do it. It's fine in the context of a TV show, but the sad thing is that these characters become role models for young people around the world. sweatdrop The point is that non-Japanese people do it outside of Japan, and they do it compulsively. I think the reason is that it's so darn cute, and fascinating because we don't have anything like it in English. In Spanish you can do something like it (changing "Juan" to "Juanito" or "Juanita"), but in English you get nicknames like these (some of mine and my friends as examples): Icky Nikki, Kay-kay-kay-kay-kate, Alli Alli Oxen Free, Alli-Balli, Lizia, Lalalala-Liza, Rini-Bini, etc... And those are all girls' nicknames. Boys, if they have nicknames at all (other than just shortening the name, like going from "Charles" to "Charlie") usually replace their names entirely. I know a Mooch, Juicy, Shortie, etc... (I do know a guy who most people call "Rob whose name is not Bob".) So it's fun to attach a cute suffix to a name, especially for girls. That's the attraction. But it's so widely overused, it's annoying. Besides, I'm perfectly content with strange English nicknames myself. whee
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:05 pm
Akira_Hoshino Dimitria rock_action What drives me insane are the people who call themselves "whatever~chan". I have yet to hear ANYONE refer to themselves with an honorific here. At all. Ever.
So why do Japanophiles do it? Well, small children do it in Japan. My host sister used to refer to herself as "Rin-chan" all the time. (She was 5.) Since children do it, anime and manga characters that are supposed to very young or childish also do it. It's fine in the context of a TV show, but the sad thing is that these characters become role models for young people around the world. sweatdrop The point is that non-Japanese people do it outside of Japan, and they do it compulsively. I think the reason is that it's so darn cute, and fascinating because we don't have anything like it in English. In Spanish you can do something like it (changing "Juan" to "Juanito" or "Juanita"), but in English you get nicknames like these (some of mine and my friends as examples): Icky Nikki, Kay-kay-kay-kay-kate, Alli Alli Oxen Free, Alli-Balli, Lizia, Lalalala-Liza, Rini-Bini, etc... And those are all girls' nicknames. Boys, if they have nicknames at all (other than just shortening the name, like going from "Charles" to "Charlie") usually replace their names entirely. I know a Mooch, Juicy, Shortie, etc... (I do know a guy who most people call "Rob whose name is not Bob".) So it's fun to attach a cute suffix to a name, especially for girls. That's the attraction. But it's so widely overused, it's annoying. Besides, I'm perfectly content with strange English nicknames myself. whee ~chan does not make nicknames. you cna make a nickname out of anything. like someone who always buts inot to peoples conversation is Demossa (You know, says でもさー Alot, just its been altered to でもっさ ) chan and kun as nicknames are usually very plain.
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Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:05 pm
Sigh... confused
I think the most depressing thing I can think of about Japanophiles are the people who actually think Japanese people act like anime characters.
For example guys who think Japanese girls are just like anime girls or girls with japanese bishounen syndrome (though I think the latter is less common).
(That actually brought up some bad memories xp *shudders*)
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Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:26 pm
SuzumikoChan I know a few lame people that just want to move to Japan for anime/manga... That's so dumb. No one there is going to appreciate someone who just moved there because of cartoons and comics. I mean, yes, I watch anime occasionally, and I like manga more... but I'm not obsessed. I'm interested in Japan and Japanese for the culture, I like the language, etc. Not because of anime and manga. stare Most of those people who only like Japan/Japanese for anime/manga end up making themselves look like fools in the end. It also annoys me when I pronounce something correctly in Japanese, then some anime freak Japanophile comes along and yells at me for not saying something "correctly", when indeed I did say it properly. Of course, they only know their useless anime words, and obvious words like "baka" and "kawaii". I say don't try to speak Japanese or any other language unless you're actually planning on learning to speak it well... I can't stand when people run up to me and start saying "omg that's so KAWAII!!!" *sigh* 胸糞が悪い... I hear you!!!! I go to a Performing Arts school, but we also have an International Studies program where I am a Japanese major, and let me tell you, the freshman annoy me. I think I annoyed myself when I was a freshman. See, anime and manga is great and all, but it's NOT THE ENTIRE JAPANESE CULTURE. The anime freaks think that that is it. But it's not! The freshman sign up only because they: a. Watch anime/manga and think Japanese is cool: they get bored once they learn it actually requires work and quit after J1. b. Know a few words and think they are "all knowing"; they leave after a couple of weeks. >< c. Are actually interested in the language and culture, and want to know more (watch anime/manga but not obsessively and does not let it interfere with work and REFUSES TO SAY THE WORD KAWAII ON A REGULAR BASIS!!!!!): these people, including me, become/are majors and stick around all four years... yay for us! Hey, what's the kanji mean??? ^_^ Sorry, I don't know that yet... smile d.
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Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:45 pm
Akira_Hoshino Dimitria rock_action What drives me insane are the people who call themselves "whatever~chan". I have yet to hear ANYONE refer to themselves with an honorific here. At all. Ever.
So why do Japanophiles do it? Well, small children do it in Japan. My host sister used to refer to herself as "Rin-chan" all the time. (She was 5.) Since children do it, anime and manga characters that are supposed to very young or childish also do it. It's fine in the context of a TV show, but the sad thing is that these characters become role models for young people around the world. sweatdrop The point is that non-Japanese people do it outside of Japan, and they do it compulsively. I think the reason is that it's so darn cute, and fascinating because we don't have anything like it in English. In Spanish you can do something like it (changing "Juan" to "Juanito" or "Juanita"), but in English you get nicknames like these (some of mine and my friends as examples): Icky Nikki, Kay-kay-kay-kay-kate, Alli Alli Oxen Free, Alli-Balli, Lizia, Lalalala-Liza, Rini-Bini, etc... And those are all girls' nicknames. Boys, if they have nicknames at all (other than just shortening the name, like going from "Charles" to "Charlie") usually replace their names entirely. I know a Mooch, Juicy, Shortie, etc... (I do know a guy who most people call "Rob whose name is not Bob".) So it's fun to attach a cute suffix to a name, especially for girls. That's the attraction. But it's so widely overused, it's annoying. Besides, I'm perfectly content with strange English nicknames myself. whee [story]Ahehehe... when I was (oh, I forget, I was in third-fifth grade so I was, what, 8? I dunno) younger and learning Japanese as an after school class, my teacher called me Suzume-chan (I can sing, but I yak yak yak!!! lol ^_^ Or at least that was her logic) and I started calling myself that too... sweatdrop oops. I know better now 3nodding Now, if I call myself -chan, I'm kidding. Either that or I've lost my mind and you'll have to shoot me. smile No, I'm kidding. I don't say that. And, unless it's part of their username, I don't call other people that either mrgreen [/end story]
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Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 11:07 pm
KrazyTerry SuzumikoChan I know a few lame people that just want to move to Japan for anime/manga... That's so dumb. No one there is going to appreciate someone who just moved there because of cartoons and comics. I mean, yes, I watch anime occasionally, and I like manga more... but I'm not obsessed. I'm interested in Japan and Japanese for the culture, I like the language, etc. Not because of anime and manga. stare Most of those people who only like Japan/Japanese for anime/manga end up making themselves look like fools in the end. It also annoys me when I pronounce something correctly in Japanese, then some anime freak Japanophile comes along and yells at me for not saying something "correctly", when indeed I did say it properly. Of course, they only know their useless anime words, and obvious words like "baka" and "kawaii". I say don't try to speak Japanese or any other language unless you're actually planning on learning to speak it well... I can't stand when people run up to me and start saying "omg that's so KAWAII!!!" *sigh* 胸糞が悪い... I hear you!!!! I go to a Performing Arts school, but we also have an International Studies program where I am a Japanese major, and let me tell you, the freshman annoy me. I think I annoyed myself when I was a freshman. See, anime and manga is great and all, but it's NOT THE ENTIRE JAPANESE CULTURE. The anime freaks think that that is it. But it's not! The freshman sign up only because they: a. Watch anime/manga and think Japanese is cool: they get bored once they learn it actually requires work and quit after J1. b. Know a few words and think they are "all knowing"; they leave after a couple of weeks. >< c. Are actually interested in the language and culture, and want to know more (watch anime/manga but not obsessively and does not let it interfere with work and REFUSES TO SAY THE WORD KAWAII ON A REGULAR BASIS!!!!!): these people, including me, become/are majors and stick around all four years... yay for us! Hey, what's the kanji mean??? ^_^ Sorry, I don't know that yet... smile d. I think it is :The chest droppings are bad" confused Dunno what that means, a translator said that so... yeah. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:20 am
Mikagi-sama KrazyTerry SuzumikoChan I know a few lame people that just want to move to Japan for anime/manga... That's so dumb. No one there is going to appreciate someone who just moved there because of cartoons and comics. I mean, yes, I watch anime occasionally, and I like manga more... but I'm not obsessed. I'm interested in Japan and Japanese for the culture, I like the language, etc. Not because of anime and manga. stare Most of those people who only like Japan/Japanese for anime/manga end up making themselves look like fools in the end. It also annoys me when I pronounce something correctly in Japanese, then some anime freak Japanophile comes along and yells at me for not saying something "correctly", when indeed I did say it properly. Of course, they only know their useless anime words, and obvious words like "baka" and "kawaii". I say don't try to speak Japanese or any other language unless you're actually planning on learning to speak it well... I can't stand when people run up to me and start saying "omg that's so KAWAII!!!" *sigh* 胸糞が悪い... I hear you!!!! I go to a Performing Arts school, but we also have an International Studies program where I am a Japanese major, and let me tell you, the freshman annoy me. I think I annoyed myself when I was a freshman. See, anime and manga is great and all, but it's NOT THE ENTIRE JAPANESE CULTURE. The anime freaks think that that is it. But it's not! The freshman sign up only because they: a. Watch anime/manga and think Japanese is cool: they get bored once they learn it actually requires work and quit after J1. b. Know a few words and think they are "all knowing"; they leave after a couple of weeks. >< c. Are actually interested in the language and culture, and want to know more (watch anime/manga but not obsessively and does not let it interfere with work and REFUSES TO SAY THE WORD KAWAII ON A REGULAR BASIS!!!!!): these people, including me, become/are majors and stick around all four years... yay for us! Hey, what's the kanji mean??? ^_^ Sorry, I don't know that yet... smile d. I think it is :The chest droppings are bad" confused Dunno what that means, a translator said that so... yeah. sweatdrop 胸糞が悪い 【むなくそがわるい】 its one word it means annoying.
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:29 pm
ok, I only read some of this, and mostly agree. Though when I'm watching anime or something (don't watch much, but when I DO) and it's totally wrong. I get kinda ticked, cause some people try tp use anime as a study tool and (ok it's a bad idea, but it does help to watch and listen and visuals are said to help you learn better) when it's REALLY off it can hurt them.
Though I 100% agree with people who use the word kawaii in a mostly english sentance. I don't mind in context and IN japanese. though some people use that word too much. I have a friend who finds everything 'cute' and so that word in both lnguages makes me pretty grumpy.
Any one who just wants to go to Japan because of the cliche, is an idiot. I some times get pissed at my boy friend who says all these dreamy things about japan wich are completely untrue. I don't like bursting peoples' bubble but I do it to him all the time >.<. All ' you know you won't get a job that easy, and we'll prolly live in a shitty apartment if we DO get there'.
bah.. stupid kids having dreams >.<'
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:28 pm
Wowza!
Well I will say this, Nani-kids are very annoying. (nani kids would be intense anime nerds who know about 7 Japanese words, nani, neko, inu, baka, hentai and other crap. At least that what I call them) And I wish to go to Japan to become a teacher, and hopefully lowering the god damned suicide rate there. I do confess this dream started after watching GTO a couple of years ago. But I don't think that liking anime and wanting to persue a career in animation or something similar is a bad excuse to go to Japan. You can argue all you want but all in all ANIME comes from JAPAN, it's quite simple to realize that to have a career in anime you should go to Japan.
I'm not justifying everyone who thinks there in that catigory. Yes there are clearly kids who think Japan is an anime goon world and are very foolish on there reasons for wanting to go, but that isn't EVERY god damned anime fan.
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:54 pm
Aiko_589 Quote: people complain that english dubbing is never a perfect translation, or even ltieral. well let me debunk that ~WHO ARE YOU, TO QUESTION SOMEBODY WHO GETS PAID TO TRANSLATE IT, KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT IF YOU RELY ON SUBTITLES. this is essentially why i made the killing wasei eigo myth thread: Quote: people say that japanese is being taken over by katakana ~UNLESS YOU LIVE IN JAPAN ,SPEAK FLUENT JAPANESE OR CAN READ IT FASTER THAN ENGLISH, PLEASE KEEP TO YOUR SLEF. Quote: i only like japanese girls! im going to go to japan and live there when i grow up because of anime and manga ~WITHT HAT ADDITUDE, NO WOMEN IS GOING TO MARRY YOU, ESPECIALLY NOT A JAPANESE ONE ~JAPANS NOT A FANATASY ANIME LAND, ONE YOU START LVINIG THERE AND SEE THAT YOU HAVE TO WORK TO MAKE A LIVING YOU LL GET BORED Quote: kanji are esstentially chinese/ no word May start with N or little tsu ~NO ONE HAS BEEN LISTENING TO ME. got any annoying things that japanophiles say you know is just stupid? post it here and i may debunk it. ROFL. I've heard every one of those at least once...especially the katakana thing and the literal translation thing. What I find funny about that is that youre right---most people who say that kind of odd crap can't really speak Japanese at all. For craps and giggles, the last person who told me that "Japanese was turning into all Katakana", I grabbed my Japan Lit book, tossed it to them, and said, "All right, well if that's the case then please, read." Turns out the person couldnt even tell the difference between the hiragana and katakana words, and couldnt read a damn word. I couldnt help but laugh and think, *WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SAYING WHEN YOU CANT EVEN READ IT?!* at the same time. And the literal translation people...I agree with you. If someone gets paid to translate, I find it hard to believe that someone who is subtitle dependent would have any damn clue if the dialogue was translated properly or not. I've also ran into those poor helpless Nani-kids that AmazinJason mentioned (Like my ex boyfriend...he'd tell people he could speak Japanese and be constantly asking *me* to translate things for him...then he'd take credit for it and claim he'd learned it all from anime >_<). I'd almost feel bad for them, but after a while, that gets old and slightly annoying. I watch anime...but it spurred my interest in the Japanese language, it did not create it. Im studying it in college now not because of anime, but because it is something I have genuine interest in. I plan on teaching either English in Japan, or Japanese on military bases in Japan. And Im working hard. It just erks me some of the things people think or say in regards to Japanese nowadays. It really does make me want to laugh.
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:44 pm
Hehehe my friend wants me to go to Japan with him after he graduates from
high school (( that'll be two whole years after i leave high school =..= ))
Anyways, starting last year I started teaching myself the language
and trying REALLY hard to understand Japanese cultures and
the stuff that they do. BUT, my friend doesn't seem like he wants to try and
learn the language with me so things would be a little easier IF we go
there. Alas, he insists on going online and looking at nude Japanese girls
and their porn sites...=(
(( Yes it's sad, I know...please don't judge him or me... crying ))
Really, my ultima goal is to get into a unniversity in Japan
and start medical studies *wanna be a surgeon*
So I'm here struggling A-FRIGGIN'-LONE to learn the language and cultures
*having a fun time doing it too ^.^*
While my friend's just being an a** and bringing me all this UNNECESSARY
info!!
*E.G* *he REALLY did say this to me*
"Hey Khalid, did you know that there are more Japanese girls then there
are guys?!?! And the reason why most of them turn lesbo is because
there aren't many guys to go around?!?!?! Dude, that a major
plus for us!!! xd "
And I'm like..."... eek "
lol is kinda funny but sad, I mean I dunno why a lot of American men
would only want to go there JUST FOR GETTING IT ON with a
Japanese girl! =_=''...
It makes the other people (who actually have a good
reason for going there), look really bad in some of the eyes in Japan...
crying crying crying
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Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:48 pm
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:58 am
Going to Japan because of anime and manga is basically the same as going to America because you hear Hollywood makes good movies.
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:56 am
Very... sweatdrop sweatdrop
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Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:27 pm
What I hate is when people assume that because I have a love of Japan that it must be ONLY because I am obsessed with anime and only anime and I know nothing else besides that and am just trying to look cool. It's actually more people IRL than here that do this btw, but I will discuss here anyway.
How does anyone who doesn't know me know my motivations? Perhaps if they asked me, they would learn that my husband spent a year there as an exchange student (and not because of anime either, he was way up in the north where it is not all tourist-y and western-y). And I became interested through him. And I've read the history and mythology and I don't just study the language to sound "cool" but there are things about a country and its culture that you can only learn by learning their language because so much more of the language is deep into their culture, more than just words and grammar. And my husband started studying Japanese archery when he was there, and we started doing it together (that's how we met ~_^).
Nothing has had to do in the slightest with anime or pocky or j-pop or anything, though I wont say no to any of those in my rare spare time ^^ The people who, without finding out anything about me or why I have such interests, slam me as some "japanophile" are doing the same thing as the "japanophiles" themselves. They have latched onto some phenomenon (in their case, crusading against some other group) that they use against other people to make themselves feel special and cool.
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