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Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:16 pm
It's a sin and a tragedy both. A sin, because we are created in the image of G-d and commanded, "Thou shalt not kill." To take your own life is self-murder. You set yourself up as judge, jury, and executioner. When you kill yourself you're saying G-d made a mistake, that you don't have value, purpose, and that He shouldn't have made you. You're saying you are beyond His power to help you. You're also playing at god. You're choosing who lives or dies, how, and when. True, G-d can accomplish His plan with or without you, but perhaps He had a particular role He wanted you to play on earth both for your benefit and for His glory. If you kill yourself you remove yourself from that plan. Through freewill G-d will let you do it, but it's an act of immense arrogance to even feel you have the right to do it. G-d is the giver of life. He tells us to "choose life." As long as you have breath and strength you are called to praise the L-rd (and live!), and as long as you have breath it's quite obvious that the days G-d ordained for you are not yet up.
Sadly, there are many people who do reach that point, even some who are believers who are wrestling with issues and belief. It's a tragedy because in G-d there is always hope. In G-d there is always purpose. If you aren't saved, you can be! And to die unsaved is the greatest tragedy of all. If you are, trust G-d. In Him is your worth and your purpose, not in yourself. It's when we focus on ourselves and our situations that we despair, but if we put aside our wants and feelings of entitlement and look to Him, that utter horror and frustration that would drive you to kill yourself is lifted. Like salvation itself, it's so very attainable, you just have to have faith. Selfless faith. Sometimes that tiny step is like leaping a chasm for us, but it's not impossible, so suicide is so very preventable, especially for believers, which is why it's so tragic.
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:09 pm
Amen. I agree. You can never move on and find your real purpose unless you recognize your role in the universe. We're called to repent and submit to Christ so we can have life. If someone held a handful of gold in front of your face, you'd snatch it in an instant. WHat about when someone offers you immortality, peace, and joy forever?
It's scary, the thought of loosing your soul. Do you really want to pay that price? Would you sell one of your eye balls for a billion dollars? *ouch* Imagine losing your soul.
Suicide...I can't get over how traumatizing and terrible it is.... it's one of the worst 'gifts' from the devil. When I'm reminded of the crap he pulls I'm spurred to continue fighting him more and more.
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Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 5:33 pm
Yes, I believe that suicide is a sin. I think it even says that in the Bible somewhere. If you think that life is so horrible that you have to kill yourself to get away from it, then you must not really believe that God is there, and He is watching (haha, sorry, that was taken from a dc Talk song, Supernatural) God will always be there for you, no matter what happens, and He loves you. That one thing alone should make life beautiful.
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 1:05 pm
Yes, suicide is a sin. I think the reason it is a sin is because even though you're killing only yourself, there's always someone who will feel really sad and lost because of what you have done, and it is a selfish act.
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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:29 pm
I've always been taught that suicide is a sin, because murder is a sin and you are essentially murdering yourself. It's a complicated theory, and one I've questioned myself as I've dealt with several suicidal friends, one who actually commited suicide, and personal suicidal thoughts. It's hard to believe that one could go through so much pain and then still be considered 'sinful'... But, as far as I know, it is a sin... and one that cannot necessarily be forgiven since you have no time to repent.
I'll try to find the verses everyone has used to discuss this belief with me.
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:35 am
Yea because suicide is murder and murder is a sin.
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:10 pm
A lot of people believe you go to hell if you commit suicide but I believe otherwise if you are a Christian but still take your life. Where in the Bible does it say if you commit suicide you will be condemned?
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Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 5:00 pm
edic-reborn A lot of people believe you go to hell if you commit suicide but I believe otherwise if you are a Christian but still take your life. Where in the Bible does it say if you commit suicide you will be condemned? My question exactly. Though I do believe suicide is a sin since it is murder of self I don't think God would condemn you. And Indie, lots of people die before they can repent some of their sins, but they're still Christian. Do you think they'd all go to Hell just because they died before they could repent for that big lie they told their spouse or for the sudden urge to kiss that woman who was revealing too much with her clothing who you saw while walking down the street? I don't. And I know quite a few people (no, it's not just in the movies) who ask God to forgive them before they kill themselves. *shrugs* I believe it is a sin, yes. But that doesn't mean you'll "burn in Hell for your evil, selfish murder of self" because we're all "evil" (sinful) and we're all selfish. We may not be as obvious, we may not admit it, but we're all selfish to a point.
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:13 pm
The "Do you go to hell if you commit suicide" question is a hard one for me. My mom knew someone - a really close friend - who was a Christian and ended up commiting suicide. If I remember correctly, he was having issues with his faith, though many many people tried to help him. As far as I can tell, most people would only commit suicide if they had strayed from God to a certain extent. So I think it really goes back to the question of "once saved, always saved" - is salvation assured once you accept Christ into your heart? The answer to that one is a resounding yes, but it depends if you really asked him in or not...
What I mean is... I don't know the answer because I can't judge a person's heart. As far as I can tell in scripture, there is more evidence that they go to heaven than there is that they go to hell. But that answer isn't set in stone.
(Btw SI, I like the verse in your siggy, Proverbs 12:4. Flaming women's lib advocates tend to forget that one when they claim Christians are unfair to women.)
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 6:15 pm
Oops. Double post. So I'll fill this space with a little ditty: Alas we weep for Willy, for Willy is no more. For what he thought was H2O was H2SO4.
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 10:43 pm
ElDestructo The "Do you go to hell if you commit suicide" question is a hard one for me. My mom knew someone - a really close friend - who was a Christian and ended up commiting suicide. If I remember correctly, he was having issues with his faith, though many many people tried to help him. As far as I can tell, most people would only commit suicide if they had strayed from God to a certain extent. So I think it really goes back to the question of "once saved, always saved" - is salvation assured once you accept Christ into your heart? The answer to that one is a resounding yes, but it depends if you really asked him in or not... What I mean is... I don't know the answer because I can't judge a person's heart. As far as I can tell in scripture, there is more evidence that they go to heaven than there is that they go to hell. But that answer isn't set in stone. (Btw SI, I like the verse in your siggy, Proverbs 12:4. Flaming women's lib advocates tend to forget that one when they claim Christians are unfair to women.)Thank you *wishes she didn't get rid of it* It IS a tough question though. I'm really tired of hearing people say you go to hell if you commit suicide cuz how do they know? Only God knows a person's heart. Not to mention my ex's dad committed suicide and he was a very devoted guy to the Lord.
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 5:45 pm
it is a sin. God gave us life and he has the right to take it away when the time comes. =]
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 5:37 am
it is a sin. I think this topic was tackled when our church was discussing the series of the Ten Commandments and this was under "You shall not murder". Wait, I'll be looking for that discussion.... hmmn... I know I've taken some notes on that... Will post back again... as soon as I find it.... 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:21 am
Does it really matter if it's a sin or not? Isn't the real question whether a person will be condemned to Hell or not (assume they're Christian so that we don't have to argue about non-believers)?
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Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2005 8:02 pm
Thou shall not kill
Or whatever. Most people think, don't kill people, misc. animals.
Most people don't think about themselves when it comes to the rule.
Nor do they think about bugs. crying Poor buggies.
If you have learned nuthin new from this post...
just remember the buggies part. wink
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