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 Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:01 pm
Kukushka Joselle`Stark I have one objection -- these schools should not be separated from regular schools. Highschools should just be funded to offer the same services. Separation seems to perpetuate the stigma. I have a problem with that. Ok, personal story time. Gather 'round, children! We had a retarded girl in my school. She was extremely retarded. I don't mean "she couldn't read none too good." I mean this girl needed a nurse by her side all the time so that she wouldn't walk into walls and try to eat chalkfrom the blackboards. The girl was a danger to herself and, on more than one occasion, she showed herself to be a danger to the other students. Her parents decided that they wanted her to have a "normal" life anyway. So they sued the school board until they allowed her into "normal" classes and so forth. But, as I said, she needed 24hour nurse supervision. So the school board had to pay for that. I don't know if you know how much it costs to keep a fully qualified nurse on staff all day, but I can tell you that it's quite a bit. To pay for it, the school board took money from other areas. As a result, we had to share textbooks in English class. Our Biology textbooks were so dated that those not falling apart too much to be read at all were filled in dated information. The special classes for advanced students (such as the AP courses) had to be shut down. The sports teams had to use balls that couldn't hold air, nets full of holes, and all the rest. In short, my school experience there was horrible. EVERYONE suffered because of one girl's special needs. These special needs were not her fault, and I understand that. But supporting her sacrificed the education of all the other students there. My point is that if the school district has extra money to spend, or receives a special grant from the local government, then yes - I totally support having integrated schools. If, on the other hand, doing so would harm the educational value for all the other children there, then no, I disagree. Obviously, there are levels of harm. Installing wheelchair ramps is one thing. Having to restructure the entire school to accomodate a minority of students is quite another.
All of you people need to move to NY.
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:59 pm
First they force her to have the baby.
And now they won't let her get an education.
WTF, FOLKS?!?!?
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:06 am
AnimeKoneko242 Kukushka Her parents decided that they wanted her to have a "normal" life anyway. So they sued the school board until they allowed her into "normal" classes and so forth.
All of you people need to move to NY.I trimmed Kukusha's post to the relevant part. Special Ed is not "normal" classes. Thanks for the offer, but I like where I am. wink
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:10 am
Dr. Janet H. Tulloch. She's teaching Women in the Christian Tradition. Grip of Death She mentioned that feminist bookstore in Ottawa, but I never had the time to go. It's not a bad bookstore and they do make things way cheaper than the Carleton book store. For example, I had to buy four books for one of my classes and the owner of the store shrink wrapped them and made one "free." So I ended up spending about $20 less. To get to it, you just walk down Sunnyside from Carleton until you hit Bank Street. It's right around there. On the way down Sunnyside, you'll also pass the HavenBooks store which carries a lot of school books and textbooks for much cheaper. Sometimes it's worthwhile to check them out to see if they have your stuff before going to the Carleton store. They coordinate with the profs, too, so they have the right editions. AnimeKoneko242 Why don't they have a Special Ed program in your school? I've neevr heard of that... There weren't many people in my school. We simply could not afford anything special. So what the school did was they formed a sort of allience with a woman who ran a school for special kids. Whenever we did get a kid with severe retardation or learning disabilities that required more attention than my school could provide, they'd send the kid to the woman's school. But this girl's parents wouldn't let the school board do that.
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:21 am
AnimeKoneko242 Has anyone seen Saved!? They made fun of a lot of religious beliefs, but sending the children away wasn't one of them. They don't deal with these problems. It's like they don't exist. It's weird, though I have to say it must be great living in a non-violent, completely ignorant world. Yup, I've seen that movie. It was funny because I actually know a girl who's the textbook definition of Bible Betty; ignorant, narrow-minded, Jesus-freak who shoves her religion down other people's throats with thw rest of her family and her stupid Jesus cult.
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:24 am
..Le Chat du Noir.. First they force her to have the baby. And now they won't let her get an education. WTF, FOLKS?!?!? Yes, and look what I found in the thread I originally posted in ED, but was then moved to GD to be poisoned by morons. Female Goth girls that have kid should have thought about school befor they say ok. I under stand that some girls are raped. they are the only ones that deserve the schooling. mad She made me sick mad
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:20 am
A school in my state recently opened up a daycare for young mothers. They get a proper education, a day-care for their kidlets and extra help and tutoring from teachers to help them cath up and maintain their grades. A few more are thinking about following their lead.
All the unis here also have daycares at a reduced cost so all the mums and dads getting degrees have somewhere to put their kids (one uni has 2 daycares) at a cheap price and not have to worry about it. The professors etc also use it as well, but they're open to students.
My school didn't have anything for that, but we didn't have young mothers. There were a few rumours of abortions, but we were all "good little private school kids" rolleyes so no one did that kind of thing. We did have a very good sex-ed and life skills program though. Told us everything we had to know about contraception, abortion, adoption and helped set up apprenticeships for some kids.
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:43 pm
Kukushka Grip of Death We always can't count on parents to "teach" us these things either, for some reason or another. Some parents are poor teachers. Others do not know the skills themselves and thus live more aimlessly. There's many reasons to factor in. I was buying some books for school today at a feminist bookstore (called Mother Tongue Books). Yes, I'm taking one of those feminist courses where we sit around and whine about how badly MEN have been treating us (no woman, ever, stopped another woman from pursuing her dream, of course. It's only been men, so let's hate them). I had a credit to fill. Don't judge me. Anyways, to the point, I started talking to the cashier lady and she mentioned that she finds it so amazing how many students come into the store and have to be taught how to pay for their books (like how to pay with their debit cards or how to write a check). I said "OMG! I was just talking about this the other day!" And we agreed that a Life Management course should be mandatory in High Schools. Learn how to pay for books? Sheesh, is it that hard to pull out a twenty?
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:15 pm
Lord Setar Learn how to pay for books? Sheesh, is it that hard to pull out a twenty? I don't think I had a single book throughout eight years of undergrad and grad school that cost $20 or less. More like pull out 10 twenties.... A lot of people don't carry that much cash around. If your parents have provided everything for you, and then before you go off to college you get your first checking account and/or credit card, I can see fumbling a bit on how to do it.
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:50 pm
At my school we have a program for the teen moms.
Anyway, I support a woman's choice to go through pregnancy and motherhood. Any programs to help I will support.
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:02 pm
Lord Setar Kukushka Grip of Death We always can't count on parents to "teach" us these things either, for some reason or another. Some parents are poor teachers. Others do not know the skills themselves and thus live more aimlessly. There's many reasons to factor in. I was buying some books for school today at a feminist bookstore (called Mother Tongue Books). Yes, I'm taking one of those feminist courses where we sit around and whine about how badly MEN have been treating us (no woman, ever, stopped another woman from pursuing her dream, of course. It's only been men, so let's hate them). I had a credit to fill. Don't judge me. Anyways, to the point, I started talking to the cashier lady and she mentioned that she finds it so amazing how many students come into the store and have to be taught how to pay for their books (like how to pay with their debit cards or how to write a check). I said "OMG! I was just talking about this the other day!" And we agreed that a Life Management course should be mandatory in High Schools. Learn how to pay for books? Sheesh, is it that hard to pull out a twenty? LOL @ Setar Have you been in a college bookstore lately? My wallet comes out feeling like an alien-abducted redneck every year...
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Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:07 pm
Joselle`Stark Lord Setar Kukushka Grip of Death We always can't count on parents to "teach" us these things either, for some reason or another. Some parents are poor teachers. Others do not know the skills themselves and thus live more aimlessly. There's many reasons to factor in. I was buying some books for school today at a feminist bookstore (called Mother Tongue Books). Yes, I'm taking one of those feminist courses where we sit around and whine about how badly MEN have been treating us (no woman, ever, stopped another woman from pursuing her dream, of course. It's only been men, so let's hate them). I had a credit to fill. Don't judge me. Anyways, to the point, I started talking to the cashier lady and she mentioned that she finds it so amazing how many students come into the store and have to be taught how to pay for their books (like how to pay with their debit cards or how to write a check). I said "OMG! I was just talking about this the other day!" And we agreed that a Life Management course should be mandatory in High Schools. Learn how to pay for books? Sheesh, is it that hard to pull out a twenty? LOL @ Setar Have you been in a college bookstore lately? My wallet comes out feeling like an alien-abducted redneck every year... I know, huge understatement. I've seen my mom, grandparents and other relatives use debit and credit cards often, though, and I understand well how to use a bank machine and how to pay by debit. I usually pay cash though. Faster ^^;
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:52 am
I think that on the college level there needs to be more support-- I'm glad that there's highschool level help already though. I just wish they'd take it one step further.
At my Culinary School when I talked to one of the Administrators about the fact that I was pregnant and what my options were if I kept the child, they basically said I'd have to drop out when my due-date neared and eat the cost of school that I hadn't completed, then re-enroll at full price.
Essentially, my options were-- pay another 20k for an education I'd all but already completed, or get an abortion.
I didn't get the abortion for that reason alone (there were others), but had my school had something in place for people like me, it likely would have made me consider keeping the kid. The simple fact is though that I couldn't afford to do that and I can't afford day care, and that's 40k down the drain already, NOT on top of what it costs to raise a kid.
I really wish Pro-Lifers would put their money where their mouth is and lobby the Government to put more programs into place to give mothers more options than have a child and suffer/give up their dreams/achieve those dreams at ridiculously high costs, or get an abortion. At this point, most Pro-Lifers treat it like you're getting some sort of punishment you deserve (what a terrible way for them to look at children, too, IMO) and I think that's wrong. I think our abortion rates nationally would drop down if women didn't have to give up so much to have children (especially when they're young women).
Instead of condemning women who get abortions, let's try maybe giving them more positive incentives to HAVE the child in the first place? rolleyes
And.. I think that a lifeskills class is awesome, especially ones for new mothers (the young ones especially). A lot of people don't know how to do a lot of stuff when they move out and the real world is a shock. My brother called me the year he moved away from home and asked me to help him file his taxes because he was so confused and lost about the forms.. I was still in high school but in my marketing class we were pretty much taught all of those lifeskills. Not just things like checking and credit cards and taxes and budgeting but also about mortgages, 401ks, savings bonds, CDs, investments, and all that good and useful stuff.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:57 am
I'm not sure there's any schools like that around here, and I'm sure I would have heard of them considering the school I graduated from has (had?) the highest teen pregnancy rate in the state. There's no daycare or anything either, so most girls who get pregnant wind up dropping out, and if they don't they aren't generally considered "in good standing" and aren't allowed to attend school functions like football games, Prom, or Homecoming (which are the BIG BIG things here), and they aren't allowed to walk at Graduation.
A bunch of kids tried petitioning for a daycare. It'd be pretty easy, I think, considering we've got childcare classes and the students take a field trip to a daycare to look after kids for a day. Cut out the field trip and give them more hands-on experience maybe?
NO FUNDING.
Which is stupid, because we get a ton of money from the federal government because we have so many military kids. Hell, our funding goes UP every year. And what happens? Funding for all "art" classes gets cut. That includes Forensics, Creative Writing, Journalism, and Desktop Publishing. So the forensics kids can only afford to go to maybe one tournament not in the Metro area, they can't afford to send kids to National if they make it. Creative Writing publishes the school's literary magazine, so funding for that got cut. Journalism had to charge more for ads and put more ads in the school paper, so there were fewer articles that students actually cared about. They cut the opinion section entirely because there was no room with the extra ads. (That includes band and stuff too, but I don't have any direct experience or friends who were in band.)
And the money went to the football and basketball teams because our football can't compete with Bellevue West and our girls' basketball won State and the school wants to win again next year.
Throwing money at sports teams does nothing for the general lack of talent, takes away from established programs, and hinders new programs to help students. Great, huh?
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:54 pm
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't a lot of pro-lifers Conservatives? And aren't the Conservatives the ones who oppose such funding that would probably reduce a lot of the call for abortions?
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