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Not really. 'sin' is a very broad catagory of anything that is a deviation from God's perfection.


I have already said that same-sex love is not a sin. Is there anywhere in that phrase that would lead you to believe that same-sex love doesn't exist?


Technically, God gave people a curse that made homosexuality eventually show up. Regardless, that would just mean that homosexuality was a curse upon humanity. And, as such, a bad thing.

Did some guy just randomly decide he didn't like women anymore?

Why be a homosexual if you're going to be persecuted?

And there is the fact that you can't choose who you're attracted to.

Science indicates that it is in fact not in human control. And I'm apt to lean towards science since it is a study of the world around us, and since God created the world science shouldn't go against God.

It may be more of a triangle, but it still doesn't make any sense.



I haven't heard of a case in which someone fell in love against their orientation. Besides cases of people who were in denial, but if you're just repressing your feelings I don't imagine your marriage would be absolute true love.

Asexuals are free from the bounds of sexuality, their feelings are based on other factors.

Homosexuals do have sexual attractions, and it's safe to say that if a gay man falls in love with another man, sexuality definitely played a very large part.



They've got a good distance between them, but it all goes back to procreating instincts. If you're in love with someone, it's far more likely that you will impregnate them (or be impregnated) and the young will survive. Just from an animalistic standpoint.



It doesn't matter whether the guy deserved it, you still punched him. And you will be charged with manslaughter, whether he deserved it or not.

The point is that we're arguing whether God said it is a sin or not. Therefore, that can't be an integral part of your logic.

I could just as easily say that God did not say it is a sin, therefore it is not a sin.



What I'm saying is that they do, so the fact that it's not your fault has little bearing on my point.



It means it's not a pre-requisite for love for asexuals, but it can be a prerequisite for love for people who aren't asexual.



What I'm saying is that they're linked. If a homosexual man falls in love with another man, chances are that if he were asexual he wouldn't have fallen in love with that person.

It would be very highly unlikely.



It has, lots of times.

But the animalistic view on love doesn't have to take preference over our morality since at least I've never met a single person who is morally opposed to love. I'm just saying part of love is instinctual.



No one can really harm God. I mean you can sin against God, and Jesus did experience pain, but God holds no grudges and Jesus was sort of (pardon the joke) asking for it.

This guy could have been doing nasty things to you for as long as you can remember, but if you punch him you're still going to be held responsible if you knock him off balance and in that second he does something so that instead of just breaking a few bones, he dies.

You're still going to be held responsible.

I'm not saying homosexuality being a sin doesn't make sense, I'm just saying that your arguement makes no sense.



God should know by now humans don't always do what they should do.



Well then we're agreed. sweatdrop



I wasn't saying it was, I was just saying that

if you meet someone you find very attractive, you are much more likely to want to get to know them better and then once you do get to know them better you could fall in love.

If you meet someone who you are not attracted to at all, odds are you won't have a lasting relationship. (excluding asexuals, since we're talking about sexual attraction)



It depends on the situation. I'm somewhat morally opposed to people eating other people, but if that's your only source of food on a deserted island then I'm not going to try to stop you. But I'd lean towards someone dying of starvation rather than brutally killing someone, I was just saying that if they were already dead you might as well live. If they volunteered to be food, that's just getting into a moral gray area.

Anyway, I'm ranting about nothing. Just ignore that.



Well, sex is very much wanted in addition to love. And it improves morale. xd




Well, it's unconstitutional to punish someone's descendents for their crimes.

Okay, well, that's over then.



Why would homosexuals be punished for something that heterosexuals aren't?

People shouldn't focus on sex as part of a relationship so much, but they do and the bible never says that's a sin. But if a homosexual even has sex one time it's a sin.

God doesn't always make sense to us, but God is fair. I don't see how cursing humans so that their genetics are faulty and when someone is born attracted to the same sex instead of another, they're punished for following their attractions is fair at all.

It's like telling someone to do something and then getting angry at them for doing it.

God knows everything, if He cursed us then He knew homosexuality would come as a result of it. He could have cursed us to have shorter lifespans and excluded homosexuality out of the picture, since He can do anything He wants.

But He didn't.




Well God does not punish people for being shallow idiots.



The government is bound by the constitution. In your analogy, the government was punishing a criminal. But the government would also be punishing innocents, therefore it doesn't quite work.

Normal people are punished for stealing too. neutral



Do you consider divorce and remarriage a sin?

Do you think it's sinful when you draw a picture and it's not 'perfect'?

Deviation from perfection is natural, sin is wrong.

The bible never ever says homosexual marriage is a sin.

You know I just disagree with you on many levels. A homosexual activity is, for example, a gay man walking his dog. Why do we consider gay people to be all about sex and straight people to be ordinary?

A gay man isn't any more lustful than a straight man.



I don't actually believe God cursed us. I don't think God would do something that brought us closer to sin. God gave us free will after all, He doesn't try to push us one way or the other and He certainly wouldn't push us away from Him.

The fact that Adam ate the fruit isn't the fault of the gay man. The gay man is punished before He has a chance to sin at all.

I believe we all start with clean slates.



If God really didn't want us to have homosexual sex, then why did He put that in motion? Even if He cursed us, He is still ultimately responsible for the fact that people are born gay.



No, that's not free will. It's not free if you are being pushed to one option or another. A lot of gay people would surely choose to be straight if they had the free will to do so, who wants to be persecuted?



Really? Every single time someone acts like a shallow idiot there is a bright light and a voice from the sky says "Stop being a shallow idiot."

God doesn't interfere as much as that implies.



Well maybe both analogies suck, but I see it more as the manslaughter analogy and you see it more as the criminal analogy.