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 Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 6:00 pm
Imotoku Skiddishfit Imotoku Because there is 1 God not three. Kind of what Sara said 1 body 3 roles. I'm just saying that we shouldn't bind him to earthly limitations and say he can't be more than 1 place at one time. Except I still believe that God is in us, but he is also in heaven on the throne. He was manifested in the flesh, but still in Heaven on the throne. I'm just saying he is everywhere at once, but I couldn't figure out a way to explain it until now. I thought since Jesus was praying to someone he must not have been praying to himself yet in a sense he was, but it was too confusing for me. but you yourself are limiting Him to an earthly measure. comparing body structure, to God. Your saying he has to sequence what he does, First Father, then Son, then Holy Ghost. I am saying he manifests himself in all 3 forms at the same time not sequencing. God is in us and in Heaven. When Jesus was on Earth I don't believe Heaven was absent of God. I don't Believe that the throne was vaccant. I believe he was in 2 places at once since Jesus prays to the Father. i could give the verse which tells God is everwhere present and nowhere absent. according to colossians 2:9 all the fulness dwells in Jesus bodily, notice a past tense is not used? colossians was written in either or inbetween 57-62 a.d., well after Jesus was cruxified. but a present tense is still used. all the fulness dwells in Him bodily. God was manifested in the flesh, not the Son... [i put it that way according to trinitary view, to make my point]
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 6:05 pm
Skiddishfit Imotoku Skiddishfit Imotoku Because there is 1 God not three. Kind of what Sara said 1 body 3 roles. I'm just saying that we shouldn't bind him to earthly limitations and say he can't be more than 1 place at one time. Except I still believe that God is in us, but he is also in heaven on the throne. He was manifested in the flesh, but still in Heaven on the throne. I'm just saying he is everywhere at once, but I couldn't figure out a way to explain it until now. I thought since Jesus was praying to someone he must not have been praying to himself yet in a sense he was, but it was too confusing for me. but you yourself are limiting Him to an earthly measure. comparing body structure, to God. Your saying he has to sequence what he does, First Father, then Son, then Holy Ghost. I am saying he manifests himself in all 3 forms at the same time not sequencing. God is in us and in Heaven. When Jesus was on Earth I don't believe Heaven was absent of God. I don't Believe that the throne was vaccant. I believe he was in 2 places at once since Jesus prays to the Father. i could give the verse which tells God is everwhere present and nowhere absent. according to colossians 2:9 all the fulness dwells in Jesus bodily, notice a past tense is not used? colossians was written in either or inbetween 57-62 a.d., well after Jesus was cruxified. but a present tense is still used. all the fulness dwells in Him bodily. God was manifested in the flesh, not the Son... [i put it that way according to trinitary view, to make my point] I already believe that. I just thought you were trying to say that God was not everywhere. So, I guess I will do more research on the topic. I give up....for now.
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Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:07 pm
Imotoku Skiddishfit Imotoku Skiddishfit Imotoku Because there is 1 God not three. Kind of what Sara said 1 body 3 roles. I'm just saying that we shouldn't bind him to earthly limitations and say he can't be more than 1 place at one time. Except I still believe that God is in us, but he is also in heaven on the throne. He was manifested in the flesh, but still in Heaven on the throne. I'm just saying he is everywhere at once, but I couldn't figure out a way to explain it until now. I thought since Jesus was praying to someone he must not have been praying to himself yet in a sense he was, but it was too confusing for me. but you yourself are limiting Him to an earthly measure. comparing body structure, to God. Your saying he has to sequence what he does, First Father, then Son, then Holy Ghost. I am saying he manifests himself in all 3 forms at the same time not sequencing. God is in us and in Heaven. When Jesus was on Earth I don't believe Heaven was absent of God. I don't Believe that the throne was vaccant. I believe he was in 2 places at once since Jesus prays to the Father. i could give the verse which tells God is everwhere present and nowhere absent. according to colossians 2:9 all the fulness dwells in Jesus bodily, notice a past tense is not used? colossians was written in either or inbetween 57-62 a.d., well after Jesus was cruxified. but a present tense is still used. all the fulness dwells in Him bodily. God was manifested in the flesh, not the Son... [i put it that way according to trinitary view, to make my point] I already believe that. I just thought you were trying to say that God was not everywhere. So, I guess I will do more research on the topic. I give up....for now. No worries ^^.
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:38 am
Okay i'm going to throw another verse out there.
Matthew 3:16-17
And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightaway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lightning upon him:
17-And lo a voice from heaven saying, this is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
The people saw Jesus and they also saw the visible Holy Spirit and they also physically heard a voice from heaven. All at the same time. It doesn't say and it came to pass or anything signifying a space of time. It says and they heard a voice.
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:27 am
Imotoku Okay i'm going to throw another verse out there. Matthew 3:16-17 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightaway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lightning upon him: 17-And lo a voice from heaven saying, this is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. The people saw Jesus and they also saw the visible Holy Spirit and they also physically heard a voice from heaven. All at the same time. It doesn't say and it came to pass or anything signifying a space of time. It says and they heard a voice. God can minister to millions of prayers at the exact same time. As many there are really. How is that different? When I first mentioned the aspect of everywhere present and nowhere absent, this is what I was addressing as well. Even though this situation may seem confusing to you, the verse telling God came manifested in the flesh signifies that it was in fact God, along with Colossians 2:9, Deuteronomy 6:4, Isaiah 9:6, et cetera.
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:50 am
It appears you are eagerly searching for verses against my Oneness perspective. However, the verses you continually provide do not take away from my interpretation of verses provided.
You will have to weigh all of the aspects the verses you and I provided touch on.
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:48 pm
Well, I know when I am beaten, though I am still not convinced.
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:05 pm
Imotoku Well, I know when I am beaten, though I am still not convinced. For your reading pleasure blaugh . http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pentecostal/One-Top.htm
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:21 pm
Skiddishfit Imotoku Well, I know when I am beaten, though I am still not convinced. For your reading pleasure blaugh . http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pentecostal/One-Top.htm Okay, I am almost convinced. I have but one question. Why do they call Jesus the mediator between man and God? I am not trying to debate, this is a straight out question.
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:26 pm
Imotoku Skiddishfit Imotoku Well, I know when I am beaten, though I am still not convinced. For your reading pleasure blaugh . http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pentecostal/One-Top.htm Okay, I am almost convinced. I have but one question. Why do they call Jesus the mediator between man and God? I am not trying to debate, this is a straight out question. Part of the definition of mediator is "reconciles differences between disputants". Jesus is the means we can come together in His name, to God blaugh . EDIT: Remember, He was known as the God of Israel, but now, all.
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 5:34 pm
Skiddishfit Imotoku Skiddishfit Imotoku Well, I know when I am beaten, though I am still not convinced. For your reading pleasure blaugh . http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pentecostal/One-Top.htm Okay, I am almost convinced. I have but one question. Why do they call Jesus the mediator between man and God? I am not trying to debate, this is a straight out question. Part of the definition of mediator is "reconciles differences between disputants". Jesus is the means we can come together in His name, to God blaugh . EDIT: Remember, He was known as the God of Israel, but now, all. I could have thought of that. Well I need to think about it then, and also I need to look at the whole debate. Look at all the evidence and then I will make a decision.
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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:47 pm
Imotoku Skiddishfit Imotoku Skiddishfit Imotoku Well, I know when I am beaten, though I am still not convinced. For your reading pleasure blaugh . http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/pentecostal/One-Top.htm Okay, I am almost convinced. I have but one question. Why do they call Jesus the mediator between man and God? I am not trying to debate, this is a straight out question. Part of the definition of mediator is "reconciles differences between disputants". Jesus is the means we can come together in His name, to God blaugh . EDIT: Remember, He was known as the God of Israel, but now, all. I could have thought of that. Well I need to think about it then, and also I need to look at the whole debate. Look at all the evidence and then I will make a decision. Sounds good. When you have come to a conclusion, or feel some points were left in the open [my presentation was a little "everwhere", and not compiled very straightforward] concerning the debate pm me and we can discuss ^.^.
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Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:48 am
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