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 Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:56 am
psalm 139: 13 -16 for you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mothers womb i praise you i am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, i know that full well my frame was NOT HIDDEN from you when i was made in the secret place when i was woven together in the dephths of the earth your eyes saw my unformed body all the days ordained me were written in your book befor one of them came to be!! that clerly states that God is pro-life! and that we are alive and he can see us and cares obout us so that means you would be sheading blood!!!
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:24 am
tubbyflip psalm 139: 13 -16 for you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mothers womb i praise you i am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, i know that full well my frame was NOT HIDDEN from you when i was made in the secret place when i was woven together in the dephths of the earth your eyes saw my unformed body all the days ordained me were written in your book befor one of them came to be!! that clerly states that God is pro-life! and that we are alive and he can see us and cares obout us so that means you would be sheading blood!!! How does that clearly state God is pro-life? God is omnipotent, therefore he knew everybody before their parents were born.
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Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:43 pm
zz1000zz tubbyflip psalm 139: 13 -16 for you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mothers womb i praise you i am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, i know that full well my frame was NOT HIDDEN from you when i was made in the secret place when i was woven together in the dephths of the earth your eyes saw my unformed body all the days ordained me were written in your book befor one of them came to be!! that clerly states that God is pro-life! and that we are alive and he can see us and cares obout us so that means you would be sheading blood!!! How does that clearly state God is pro-life? God is omnipotent, therefore he knew everybody before their parents were born. Talking about abortion?
It depends on when a human is qualified as a human with a soul. Is it when the sperm meets the egg? Or is it when the baby is shoot out of the mother?
That's the only thing.
If it's the sperm and egg issue, then abortion IS killing a human, which is a sin. If it's when the the thing comes our of the mother, then it would just be destroying tissues.
Even though I dought that a growing organism, no matter where it is, is only organs. Yes, according to science, humans are just organs, blood and water, but I don't think the scientists think that way about themselves or their families.
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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 1:59 am
Seority zz1000zz tubbyflip psalm 139: 13 -16 for you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mothers womb i praise you i am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, i know that full well my frame was NOT HIDDEN from you when i was made in the secret place when i was woven together in the dephths of the earth your eyes saw my unformed body all the days ordained me were written in your book befor one of them came to be!! that clerly states that God is pro-life! and that we are alive and he can see us and cares obout us so that means you would be sheading blood!!! How does that clearly state God is pro-life? God is omnipotent, therefore he knew everybody before their parents were born. Talking about abortion?
It depends on when a human is qualified as a human with a soul. Is it when the sperm meets the egg? Or is it when the baby is shoot out of the mother?
That's the only thing.
If it's the sperm and egg issue, then abortion IS killing a human, which is a sin. If it's when the the thing comes our of the mother, then it would just be destroying tissues.
Even though I dought that a growing organism, no matter where it is, is only organs. Yes, according to science, humans are just organs, blood and water, but I don't think the scientists think that way about themselves or their families. Killing water, blood, and organs is still killing people! God forbids it!
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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:28 pm
as for abortion... think for yourself. do you need a bible to know that creating a child from your own consensual actions then killing it for mere convenience is wrong? i mean, being in a christian guild, i feel i can talk of morality as though it is not a figment of the imagination. thus, i feel allowed to use the concept of right and wrong. and elective abortion definitely does not fall under the category of right.
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Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:00 pm
-Sunset Wahine- Killing water, blood, and organs is still killing people! God forbids it! Killing animals isn't a sin. Humans have souls, so killing humans IS a sin. That's also what makes us different from animals. I mean come on. I've never seen bunnies go to their own little church services. Humans can interact with the spiritual world because that's how God made us. Animals are just here to keep the world spinning for us, but this is getting off topic.
It all depends on if a fetus is just tissues, or if it's an actual person. (How can it not be? @_@)
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:56 am
Seority -Sunset Wahine- Killing water, blood, and organs is still killing people! God forbids it! Killing animals isn't a sin. Humans have souls, so killing humans IS a sin. That's also what makes us different from animals. I mean come on. I've never seen bunnies go to their own little church services. Humans can interact with the spiritual world because that's how God made us. Animals are just here to keep the world spinning for us, but this is getting off topic.
It all depends on if a fetus is just tissues, or if it's an actual person. (How can it not be? @_@) I did not say "Killing animals is a sin." I meant humans. But that could be a good lecture. Lol.
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:09 pm
-Sunset Wahine- I did not say "Killing animals is a sin." I meant humans. But that could be a good lecture. Lol. I guessed I confuesed you then. I agree with you that killing people is a sin and that even though it's in a mother, a fetus is still a human.
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 2:37 pm
Seority -Sunset Wahine- I did not say "Killing animals is a sin." I meant humans. But that could be a good lecture. Lol. I guessed I confuesed you then. I agree with you that killing people is a sin and that even though it's in a mother, a fetus is still a human. I agree, a fetus IS a human, that's like saying a small piece of cheese isn't a piece of cheese because it's small!
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Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:36 pm
MagisterofJesusChrist I agree, a fetus IS a human, that's like saying a small piece of cheese isn't a piece of cheese because it's small!
Not exactly. I guess the scientist just say "It's just a fetus," because a fetus has no logical thought or memory, or something like that. They also state it's an undeveloped human, so since it's not totally a person that it's ok to destroy. XP
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:42 pm
Seority -Sunset Wahine- I did not say "Killing animals is a sin." I meant humans. But that could be a good lecture. Lol. I guessed I confuesed you then. I agree with you that killing people is a sin and that even though it's in a mother, a fetus is still a human. So you say having an abortion is a sin because a fetus is a human? You are wrong. A fetus is not a human. Of course you disagree with me. But i ask, does the Bible say a fetus is a human? No. In fact, Exodus 21 provides an example of where the Bible implies the opposite. Either way, what you said shows a disturbing trend that has existed for centuries. You say a fetus is a human, and you say that the Bible, or God, says so. However, neither the Bible nor God has ever said what you claim. That means you are lying about God's word, which i think we all agree is a sin.
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:49 pm
again, think with your brain and not your bible. who cares if it doesn't, or does say but is confusing. think for yourself.
the dictionary defines a "human being" as "a living human".
human- any member of the genus homo, usually sapiens
living- having life
life-The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism
by definition, a fetus is a living human being. even not by definition, think here of the process with which to create a fetus. a woman, unless raped, must go through a series of consensual actions. pregnancy is not some rare, random malignancy that floats through the aether into the uteruses of unsuspecting women.
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:39 pm
zz1000zz A fetus is not a human. Of course you disagree with me. But i ask, does the Bible say a fetus is a human? No. In fact, Exodus 21 provides an example of where the Bible implies the opposite.
-reads chapter- its says nothing about abortion
anything that you kill INTENTIONALY, you WILL be punished for it
I don't know what you're saying.
~Ex.Kin.Fin
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Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 12:28 am
Seority -x> stare
-reads chapter- its says nothing about abortion
anything that you kill INTENTIONALY, you WILL be punished for it
I don't know what you're saying.
~Ex.Kin.Fin I think her point is that in Exodus 21 the penalty for killing a pregnant woman is death, while the penalty for causing her to miscarry is merely a fine, which would seem to draw a distinction of some sort between the worth of the woman and the worth of the unborn child. After all, if Mosaic Law considered the unborn to be proper persons, then to kill one would be murder and, as such, the proscribed punishment would have to be death. That not being the case, however, it is not unreasonable to infer that the unborn are, in the eyes of the Law, something less than fully realized individuals.
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Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:11 am
-x>
Ah ok.
I still didnt see any preganat women stuff, but I get it, and my opinion still stands. A fetus is still a human, in a womens body, or not.
~Ex.Kin.Fin
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