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 Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 11:40 am
As to debating about God's Word - here's what I think. You shouldn't try to argue against it, but there's nothing wrong with discussing what it means.
As to the man vs. woman thing... that's kind of dangerous ground. I don't personally know any women pastors or ministers, but the only thing I've ever heard about the idea is that it seemed kinda weird. I haven't really looked into the whole Biblical support for only men being pastors though.
Is it just me, or has this gotten slightly off topic? Still, we are getting to know our warriors here...
@Samurai: I may be only 15, but I consider myself a strong, "old-fashioned" conservative. Boo-yah!
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 2:18 pm
to the world I am old-fashioned ... but not to the church.
I just see it the way Topaz stated it. If God calls a person to lead a ministry, I don't think it matters if that person is a woman or a man. I understand that Zaierah might disagree because she has grown in her faith very differently than how I have grown in mine. I also understand that people are really conservative in the church and wish to stick to traditional ways, but I do not think people should be so set on how things were conducted in the past that they can not adapt if the Holy Spirit speaks or moves.
I guess it's because my church is Pentecostal sweatdrop Even when we hold service we leave it open for the order of events to change depending on what the Lord calls us to do.
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 10:03 pm
flineagle to the world I am old-fashioned ... but not to the church. I just see it the way Topaz stated it. If God calls a person to lead a ministry, I don't think it matters if that person is a woman or a man. I understand that Zaierah might disagree because she has grown in her faith very differently than how I have grown in mine. I also understand that people are really conservative in the church and wish to stick to traditional ways, but I do not think people should be so set on how things were conducted in the past that they can not adapt if the Holy Spirit speaks or moves. I guess it's because my church is Pentecostal sweatdrop Even when we hold service we leave it open for the order of events to change depending on what the Lord calls us to do.
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 10:15 pm
Yay for old-fashioned conservatism! xd
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Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 11:01 pm
t0paz My church is non denomination so it's as you said. We should allow the Spirit to lead us. Just as tides and winds change what season it is in the church it changes what we do as a body in Christ. ED you're right, I'm sorry. sweatdrop Should we move this to a seperate thread as to not interrupt introductions? Thanks for the encouragement flin Yeah, I think we kinda got off topic or something... It's an interesting thread idea... maybe I'll start it if no one else does. Just one final thing I want to say here is - I don't see how anyone can really argue with someone's personal call to ministry because there's no way to prove wether someone really heard God or not... if that makes sense. It just depends if God really spoke to them. @Samurai: Yeeha! I know there's such a thing as being too old-fashioned... but generally I side with conservatism.
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Posted: Sat May 07, 2005 11:35 pm
ElDestructo t0paz My church is non denomination so it's as you said. We should allow the Spirit to lead us. Just as tides and winds change what season it is in the church it changes what we do as a body in Christ. ED you're right, I'm sorry. sweatdrop Should we move this to a seperate thread as to not interrupt introductions? Thanks for the encouragement flin Yeah, I think we kinda got off topic or something... It's an interesting thread idea... maybe I'll start it if no one else does. Just one final thing I want to say here is - I don't see how anyone can really argue with someone's personal call to ministry because there's no way to prove wether someone really heard God or not... if that makes sense. It just depends if God really spoke to them. @Samurai: Yeeha! I know there's such a thing as being too old-fashioned... but generally I side with conservatism.
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Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 8:53 am
t0paz ElDestructo t0paz My church is non denomination so it's as you said. We should allow the Spirit to lead us. Just as tides and winds change what season it is in the church it changes what we do as a body in Christ. ED you're right, I'm sorry. sweatdrop Should we move this to a seperate thread as to not interrupt introductions? Thanks for the encouragement flin Yeah, I think we kinda got off topic or something... It's an interesting thread idea... maybe I'll start it if no one else does. Just one final thing I want to say here is - I don't see how anyone can really argue with someone's personal call to ministry because there's no way to prove wether someone really heard God or not... if that makes sense. It just depends if God really spoke to them. @Samurai: Yeeha! I know there's such a thing as being too old-fashioned... but generally I side with conservatism. Yeah, my point wasn't that you should believe everything people claim God told them to do - I just meant that if you really can't find anything wrong with it, why assume God didn't tell them to do it? I hope that made sense... sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 7:23 am
to be honest its not about tradition its about the word of god and his teachings period!
women should remain silent in the churches? (1 Cor. 14).
1 Timothy 2. Here Paul said it even more clearly. He told us exactly what his practice was: ?I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man; she must be silent.?
i believe what the lord has told us!~!~ and thats how it gonna be
i dont understand other wise
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 9:03 am
Zaierah to be honest its not about tradition its about the word of god and his teachings period! women should remain silent in the churches? (1 Cor. 14). 1 Timothy 2. Here Paul said it even more clearly. He told us exactly what his practice was: ?I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man; she must be silent.? i believe what the lord has told us!~!~ and thats how it gonna be i dont understand other wise Yeah, I agree with the Bible on all points - I'm just curious - what is a girl supposed to do if she feels she is being called to lead in a church? Is she misinterpretting what God is telling her?
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 9:52 am
Could be... I talked to my mother who leads a Bible study class and she says that women should lead women. Women leading men is not God's intention.
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 7:29 am
The bible is Truth. Everything in the bible is true. But are we really supposed to take everything word for word? I just want you all to consider this. Not everything in the bible was meant to be taken literaly. "If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off..." if we take everything literally shouldn't we be blind, tongueless, and with outh hands. We all sin and do so in many ways, but we don't literaly cut off our limbs to stop the sinning. If we don't take that verse literaly then why accept everything else literaly. Also parables about seeds and fruit were about God and his people not seeds and fruit, these were all metaphores and similes used to make a point.
The bible is poetry as well as a book of law. That is why we must disscuss these things, if we just read it literaly we will miss a whole lot. A lot of the books in the bible were letters from apostles to people in other citys. They were written in the context of that time period and situation of the reciever. The authors of the bible had no idea we would be reading them thousands of years later. We should learn from the bible, but not take everything literaly.
We have to take into account the context of the text before we completely absorb the text. That is why we need bible studies and church or some sort of fellowship so that one who has learned the context of the passage well, can share their wisdom. Of course, that does not mean you shouldn't read or interpret the bible on your own. The best thing to do when reading the bible is to pray before hand. Ask the Holy Spirt for guidence, this is the best way to read the bible. And don't believe everything someone elses says about it because they might be wrong (and don't believe that I think I am all ways right, because I know I have been wrong on several occations, but this topic just makes sense to me), you have to find these things out in your prayer time with God.
I'm sorry for my harshness, but this has been really bothering me lately. I know more can be said on this topic and debated as well, but it is an important thing to know, and disscuss. Please tell me if I need to clarify.
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 11:54 am
I agree Lithanus. that's the way I've always seen it; that the bible is a puzzle for one to figure out. Once one has a desire to truly know what God is trying to tell us through His word, then one can gian understanding of it. Bible studies are definitely a good way to go about it. and we should never just accept what our pastors or friends tell us. We should take questions to God as well as share them with fellow believers. Sometimes your brother or sister may see something that you totally missed. But we should do it all by the guidance of the holy spirit, isnt that what He is here for? Quote: Zaierah wrote: to be honest its not about tradition its about the word of god and his teachings period! women should remain silent in the churches? (1 Cor. 14). 1 Timothy 2. Here Paul said it even more clearly. He told us exactly what his practice was: ?I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man; she must be silent.? i believe what the lord has told us!~!~ and thats how it gonna be i dont understand other wise Yeah, I agree with the Bible on all points - I'm just curious - what is a girl supposed to do if she feels she is being called to lead in a church? Is she misinterpretting what God is telling her? This was discussed in a bible study I had with my cousins last week. Me and my cousins could not find the answer. Eventually we pulled my dad, he's a pastor, in to help us. He explained that the letter was written in a time where women wanted to call out and ask questions during a sermon, and that was not permitted. Also that people were beggining to use sabbath getherings as a social time to gossip. I still see that happening in the church today.
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Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 11:09 pm
And.... Im back. The way I see the issue of what to take seriously is all about context. Not just what is happening but also keep in mind also who wrote the text you are reading. Jesus gave more straightforward instructions to his disciples while He talked in parables to the other followers. Jesus sometimes gave explenations to His disciples when he did talk in parables, if they didn't get it.
When it comes to certain disagreements with the church it is often most wise to just not do it. Like masturbation, I still don't know if it's completely wrong but I tell people who ask to just not. Better to play it safe I say.
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Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 1:43 pm
disagreements are tough. We want the church to be in unity, because we are all the body of God and we need to work together. But I also say that does not mean we should just accept whatever we are told. It's always good for us to seek out God's word and understanding for ourselves.
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 12:20 am
The Samurai And.... Im back. The way I see the issue of what to take seriously is all about context. Not just what is happening but also keep in mind also who wrote the text you are reading. Jesus gave more straightforward instructions to his disciples while He talked in parables to the other followers. Jesus sometimes gave explenations to His disciples when he did talk in parables, if they didn't get it. When it comes to certain disagreements with the church it is often most wise to just not do it. Like masturbation, I still don't know if it's completely wrong but I tell people who ask to just not. Better to play it safe I say.
If told a lesbian about that once and because it doesn't also say woman kind she tried to say it wasn't pertaining to her.
Like you said there are so many issues that people just simply can't grasp. When it's something like my example, homosexuality you shouldn't argue with that person. That aren't really going to get it unless God gives them a revelation about it, that's the reason why I think God said not to argue over his word.
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