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 Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:46 pm
Victum Soul Lazarus The Resurected Victum Soul Lazarus The Resurected Victum Soul Wine in those days was plain grape juice, the one they drank to get drunk was called other name, which I ignore how to say it in english cause I'm mexican, in spanish it's (mosto). I know what I'm talking about. You don't know s**t man. People saying that the wine wasn't realy wine. it dates back only as far as the American prohibition act. I was raised Catholic. i've been drinking wine since i was about 8 years old. and trust me it didn't taste like no Grape juice to me. and again i ask who ever put it into your head that the drink was non-alcoholic? that was a big part of my last post. there is only one word in english for wine. Wine, n. 1. a. A beverage made of the fermented juice of any of various kinds of grapes, usually containing from 10 to 15 percent alcohol by volume. b. A beverage made of the fermented juice of any of various other fruits or plants. 2. Something that intoxicates or exhilarates. note the part about fermentation and intoxication. i think that proves my point enough for now. so you base your thoughts on an english dictionary? being english a language created centuries after the biblical times. I do know what I'm talking about, I've studied the bible, and other scriptures. I dig universal history. Now, do you believe me? no? then it's your problem, not mine. I, for one, know that God is content with my life. Please don't reply to/about me. Thank you. If your faith is based on God himself you should cut the crap and start trying to justify your sins by the old reason sinners have been using 'I think the bible is missinterpreted'. If you really love God then DIG HIS WORD. Our God doesn't make mistakes, if the bible were missinterpreted and/or was a lie then He would've told us LONG AGO. Next time you use swearing against or directed to me you'll regret. God is my witness, justice and revenge. Well then let me be struck dead. (hey look, i'm still typing so i guess the Big Guy dosen't want to get his vengeance just yet. orelse he don't care that much.) I will not unquestioningly accept a document that has been abused in so many ways and responsible for so many deaths as that to be the word of God. I use the bible as a weapon against those who cling to it blindly. you people are the worst you follow unqestioningly after whatsomeone else told you was the word of God. and yet you call me a heathen and a sinner. I ask you why? why am i the bad one? the idea that God is 100% right all the time is false. you know why/ here is my proof. 1: The existance of Satan.- God created the angel lucifer (had he realy been allknowing he would have know that lucifer would turn on him) 2: the existance of Humanity. we are the most usless pile of s**t ever to come from God. what the hell was he thinking? all we have done to this beautiful world he has given us is destroy it. as a race humanity has almost forgoten about Him. and furthermore we squabble amongst ourselves fighting over who's right and who's wrong about him. Live your life the way God tell you to personaly and do good. i'll see you in heaven Vic. But i may not see you around the guild too much more.
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:40 pm
Lazarus The Resurected Victum Soul Lazarus The Resurected Victum Soul Lazarus The Resurected Victum Soul Wine in those days was plain grape juice, the one they drank to get drunk was called other name, which I ignore how to say it in english cause I'm mexican, in spanish it's (mosto). I know what I'm talking about. You don't know s**t man. People saying that the wine wasn't realy wine. it dates back only as far as the American prohibition act. I was raised Catholic. i've been drinking wine since i was about 8 years old. and trust me it didn't taste like no Grape juice to me. and again i ask who ever put it into your head that the drink was non-alcoholic? that was a big part of my last post. there is only one word in english for wine. Wine, n. 1. a. A beverage made of the fermented juice of any of various kinds of grapes, usually containing from 10 to 15 percent alcohol by volume. b. A beverage made of the fermented juice of any of various other fruits or plants. 2. Something that intoxicates or exhilarates. note the part about fermentation and intoxication. i think that proves my point enough for now. so you base your thoughts on an english dictionary? being english a language created centuries after the biblical times. I do know what I'm talking about, I've studied the bible, and other scriptures. I dig universal history. Now, do you believe me? no? then it's your problem, not mine. I, for one, know that God is content with my life. Please don't reply to/about me. Thank you. If your faith is based on God himself you should cut the crap and start trying to justify your sins by the old reason sinners have been using 'I think the bible is missinterpreted'. If you really love God then DIG HIS WORD. Our God doesn't make mistakes, if the bible were missinterpreted and/or was a lie then He would've told us LONG AGO. Next time you use swearing against or directed to me you'll regret. God is my witness, justice and revenge. Well then let me be struck dead. (hey look, i'm still typing so i guess the giy guy dosen't want to get his vengeance just yet. orelse he don't carew that much.) I will not accept a document that has been abused in so many ways and responsible for so many deaths as that to be the word of God. I use the bible as a weapon against those who cling to it blindly. you people are the worst you follow unqestioningly after whatsomeone else told you was the word of God. and yet you call me a heathen and a sinner. I ask you why? why am i the bad one? the idea that God is 100% right all the time is false. you know why/ here is my proof. 1: The existance of Satan.- God created the angel lucifer (had he realy been allknowing he would have know that lucifer would turn on him) 2: the existance of Humanity. we are the most usless pile of s**t ever to come from God. what the hell was he thinking? all we have done to this beautiful world he has given us is destroy it. as a race humanity has almost forgoten about Him. and furthermore we squabble amongst ourselves fighting over who's right and who's wrong about him. Live your life the way God tell you to personaly and do good. i'll see you in heaven Vic. But i may not see you around the guild too much more. I know it's probubly not my place to interfere in this conversation but I have something I want to say. First is I agree about how the bible is missinerpritated, and that so much evil has come from this missinterpritation. However, to not read the bible at all can only weaken your relationship with god. I used to think that the bible was wrong becouse it wasn't written by God or Jesus but god was definitly speeking through the writers of the bible, at least for most of the time. I personaly don't beleave most of the book of revilations for my own reasons, but I think that everyone should read the bible and diside what to beleave and what not to beleave. To say that God has messed up in my openion isn't exactly correct. God did create Lucifer which was the angle that god loved the most. I'm sure god knew that Lucifer would betray him, but god, at least I think won't make anyone do anything against their own will. As for humans and what we've done to our planet and how we don't do a very good job that's realy our falt. I think it says in the bible that god made man to worship him, but why would god make it so we have a choice? I think it's because he wants a real relationship with us, where we choose to be with him. about the wine issue I thought that when Jesus turned water into wine, the rational was that on a wedding people would use all the expencive wine for the first day and once they ran out of good wine the guests would be too drunk to notice the decline in quality of the wine as the wedding planners began to give the guests less expensive wine. Also I've studied the Roman Empire, which ruled over the jews/ early christians and the Romans were big drinkers. The wine was defiitly waterd down, but it had fermented. Also in the later part of the bible, it says that Alchohalics will not receave the kindome of heaven (I don't personaly belaeve this verse, but for it to be stated there would have to have been some form of alchoholic beverage in the anchant times). I'm realy not an expert on this knid of stuff just yet ( I hope to one day become a pastor some day) and my opinion is no better than anyone elses, but I do beleave everything I've said. If I'm wrong, please tell me. I'd rather not seem like a dumb a**. Ps I kow my spelling and grammer are bad, so if you feel the need to comment on somthing I already know, By all means go on.
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:27 pm
You know what Grim, I like you. you put forth a few good arguements. i will still hold to my side of God can make mistakes -for now anyway-. thanks for the support on the wine thing. as for the bible; As I said I don't believe it is the word of God. i did not however, say that I don't believe it is the founding book of the principals of chirstianity. I still read and follow it i just don't take everythignh as truth without first qestioning it to see a) if is flawed in some way. and b) if it is relevant today. I have a great many personal policies thgat do agree with the bible. I drink, but i do my best not to get drunk.
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:55 am
Lazarus The Resurected You know what Grim, I like you. you put forth a few good arguements. i will still hold to my side of God can make mistakes -for now anyway-. thanks for the support on the wine thing. as for the bible; As I said I don't believe it is the word of God. i did not however, say that I don't believe it is the founding book of the principals of chirstianity. I still read and follow it i just don't take everythignh as truth without first qestioning it to see a) if is flawed in some way. and b) if it is relevant today. I have a great many personal policies thgat do agree with the bible. I drink, but i do my best not to get drunk. I totaly agree with questioning the bible. First off, it was written by humans so of course it will be flawed. Seecond when christianity was first created alot of things were left out... or at least that's what I think.
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:46 pm
Lazarus The Resurected the idea that God is 100% right all the time is false. you know why/ here is my proof. 1: The existance of Satan.- God created the angel lucifer (had he realy been allknowing he would have know that lucifer would turn on him) 2: the existance of Humanity. we are the most usless pile of s**t ever to come from God. what the hell was he thinking? all we have done to this beautiful world he has given us is destroy it. as a race humanity has almost forgoten about Him. and furthermore we squabble amongst ourselves fighting over who's right and who's wrong about him. I disagree that you have any "proof" or good reason to think God makes mistakes. I mean, what you are doing is judging the validity of the actions of a being whom your brain cannot even fully grasp. And after all, is free will a bad thing? Perhaps it is, but I'll just leave it to God to decide that. He's the only one who can know anything with certainty, and we can only theorise. I think he knows what he's doing wink
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Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:18 pm
Demon princess of Love Lazarus The Resurected the idea that God is 100% right all the time is false. you know why/ here is my proof. 1: The existance of Satan.- God created the angel lucifer (had he realy been allknowing he would have know that lucifer would turn on him) 2: the existance of Humanity. we are the most usless pile of s**t ever to come from God. what the hell was he thinking? all we have done to this beautiful world he has given us is destroy it. as a race humanity has almost forgoten about Him. and furthermore we squabble amongst ourselves fighting over who's right and who's wrong about him. I disagree that you have any "proof" or good reason to think God makes mistakes. I mean, what you are doing is judging the validity of the actions of a being whom your brain cannot even fully grasp. And after all, is free will a bad thing? Perhaps it is, but I'll just leave it to God to decide that. He's the only one who can know anything with certainty, and we can only theorise. I think he knows what he's doing wink *agrees* The guy who created everything can't be wrong. He doesn't make mistakes. Questioning the bible cause it was written by humans? Yes, humans... but what kind of humans? only those who were close to God. And God himself.. remember who wrote the 10 comandments on stone??
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 5:55 pm
Yes. God did write the 10 comandments. I don't understand why you would bringing that up when we're talking about mans' writings.
If the bible was flawless than why are there several different accounts on one man's life. The New Testement is full of contridiction. To say that the people who wrote the bible were close to god is true, but so are we. Does that mean we can know exactly what God thinks? Some of the writers of the new testement never even met Jesus. Half the books of the new testament is taken from intervews of people who had seen Jesus a long time ago, are these people completly correct? I'm not saying that the bible is wrond. I'm saying that the writers of the bible took what they thought was right and wrote it. What needs to be in the bible is in it, but (in my oppinion) not everything in the bible is completely true.
Don't think that I questioning god, I'm not.
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Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:40 pm
GrimPumkin Yes. God did write the 10 comandments. I don't understand why you would bringing that up when we're talking about mans' writings. If the bible was flawless than why are there several different accounts on one man's life. The New Testement is full of contridiction. To say that the people who wrote the bible were close to god is true, but so are we. Does that mean we can know exactly what God thinks? Some of the writers of the new testement never even met Jesus. Half the books of the new testament is taken from intervews of people who had seen Jesus a long time ago, are these people completly correct? I'm not saying that the bible is wrond. I'm saying that the writers of the bible took what they thought was right and wrote it. What needs to be in the bible is in it, but (in my oppinion) not everything in the bible is completely true. Don't think that I questioning god, I'm not. God speaks through the bible. You agree? if you say 'yes': God wouldn't use something so deceiving such as the bible, in the case you're mentioning about men writing it. And yes, we are supposed to be closer to God. But do we pray for long periods of time as Eli did? or do we travel through our country speaking about God to those who don't believe in Him like Paul did? do we spill our hearts to God in worship as James(was it him? I'm not sure) did while being stoned? We surely are close to God, but let's face it. Those men were really closer than us. And that you mention they didn't meet Jesus in person: Dude... we haven't either.
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:13 pm
You're right about how we aren't as close to god as the aposles (I think that's the correct spelling). You're also correct about how god speeks through the bible. Also, you're right about me saying they never met jesus, my intention was to say that they got their facts from normal people years after Jesus had been resorected.
I did some studying last night and I think I was wrong about there being contradictions in the new testement. There aren't contredictions, just different vewpoints.
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:51 pm
GrimPumkin You're right about how we aren't as close to god as the aposles (I think that's the correct spelling). You're also correct about how god speeks through the bible. Also, you're right about me saying they never met jesus, my intention was to say that they got their facts from normal people years after Jesus had been resorected. I did some studying last night and I think I was wrong about there being contradictions in the new testement. There aren't contredictions, just different vewpoints. yup. now I get you. See, when people starts having their own interpretations to the bible it gets confusing. What we're supposed to do is ask God to interprete the bible for us. That way you're listeningto the Holy Spirit speaking the word to you, insted of just reading it yourself.
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:41 pm
Victum Soul GrimPumkin You're right about how we aren't as close to god as the aposles (I think that's the correct spelling). You're also correct about how god speeks through the bible. Also, you're right about me saying they never met jesus, my intention was to say that they got their facts from normal people years after Jesus had been resorected. I did some studying last night and I think I was wrong about there being contradictions in the new testement. There aren't contredictions, just different vewpoints. yup. now I get you. See, when people starts having their own interpretations to the bible it gets confusing. What we're supposed to do is ask God to interprete the bible for us. That way you're listeningto the Holy Spirit speaking the word to you, insted of just reading it yourself. Talking about people adding their own interpretations to the bible, from a guy who ranted for a page and a half about how wine in the bible was non-alcoholic ? i'm not sure that stacks up on my logicmeter. but i do agree with what you say.
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:11 pm
Lazarus The Resurected Victum Soul GrimPumkin You're right about how we aren't as close to god as the aposles (I think that's the correct spelling). You're also correct about how god speeks through the bible. Also, you're right about me saying they never met jesus, my intention was to say that they got their facts from normal people years after Jesus had been resorected. I did some studying last night and I think I was wrong about there being contradictions in the new testement. There aren't contredictions, just different vewpoints. yup. now I get you. See, when people starts having their own interpretations to the bible it gets confusing. What we're supposed to do is ask God to interprete the bible for us. That way you're listeningto the Holy Spirit speaking the word to you, insted of just reading it yourself. Talking about people adding their own interpretations to the bible, from a guy who ranted for a page and a half about how wine in the bible was non-alcoholic ? i'm not sure that stacks up on my logicmeter. but i do agree with what you say. what I said about the wine was not an interpretation of the bible, it was actually something I studied in history class.
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Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:51 am
Victum Soul Lazarus The Resurected Victum Soul GrimPumkin You're right about how we aren't as close to god as the aposles (I think that's the correct spelling). You're also correct about how god speeks through the bible. Also, you're right about me saying they never met jesus, my intention was to say that they got their facts from normal people years after Jesus had been resorected. I did some studying last night and I think I was wrong about there being contradictions in the new testement. There aren't contredictions, just different vewpoints. yup. now I get you. See, when people starts having their own interpretations to the bible it gets confusing. What we're supposed to do is ask God to interprete the bible for us. That way you're listeningto the Holy Spirit speaking the word to you, insted of just reading it yourself. Talking about people adding their own interpretations to the bible, from a guy who ranted for a page and a half about how wine in the bible was non-alcoholic ? i'm not sure that stacks up on my logicmeter. but i do agree with what you say. what I said about the wine was not an interpretation of the bible, it was actually something I studied in history class. realy? because i couldn't help noticing that your claim was mistaken. any way we have been off topic in this debate for a page or so now. back to the original topic. To drink or not to drink?
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