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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:35 pm
Ame no Tenshi I was in the extended discussion today, and a thread like this came up. Basically it was saying that mother's who are pro-choice are good because they actually want their childen. What the hell? What is this crap? I'm sorry, but things like this annoy me to no end. Its like saying "I wanted a baby, so I'm a wonderful person. But oops, I don't want that one so I'll kill it. It'll be OK!" Then they used the argument "What if a woman isn't maternal?" Take.The.Freaking.Pill. Use condoms. Hell, get your tubes tied. Don't blame your mistakes on babies. Bah..forgot the link. Its like "Smile your mother was pro-choice. amen, im sick and tired of hearing that, one of my friends parents is like that and i just want to lecture her but i cant ya know, phh
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:39 pm
DeLaFere Ame no Tenshi scream Ok, Ame is extremely angry at the moment. So I'm back in this thread. And this girl is like "Well what if the mother is wanting a career" and gave all these excuses. I'm like "Close your freaking legs. Take the pill do SOMETHING" So this other girl comes in and shes like "I'd kill them. I don't believe in adoption. Its morally wrong. So its ok to kill your baby, but its not ok to give them to a good home? Wow. People.Are.Retarded. I think that's awful. That is the *lamest* argument ever... neutral As for miscarriages, my mom had one before me... I would have had a big brother or sister... he or she would have been 19 pretty soon here. I, too, can't understand why someone would purposely kill their child when so many mothers are grieving because theirs died. thats hirribly sad,and that is the worst argument ive seen in a wile, the reason i think people abort babys is because they just are plain lazy to give up there sinful life , just because they dont want to get fat from pregnancy or, not want to go through the pain. if someone thought they were responsible enough to conseve the child, they should be responsible about birthing it and giveing it a good home.
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:22 am
My mother loved me. And she was having triplets. She also had no money, our family has always been at odds with one another, my father cared more about his music than paying child support or giving diapers. She was crippled to the point where she couldn't walk and her legs began to atrophy, and she even was told by the doctors she may want to consider aborting.
But she didn't.
My mother would've had me regardless of what was in her pocket, what was happening to her body, what could've happened to her life and has sacrificed a lot for me and my sisters. I wasn't born because it was convenient. I wasn't born to someone who was so self absorbed they couldn't consider the lives of others unless they "had the time". Everyone's selfish true. But then you have those that understand the value of helping and caring for others, and thus are self gratified by helping those in need.
Can you imagine a mother that could abort you? ... Look your mother in the face and imagine if when you were conceived she was studying to be a doctor. You wouldn't be here. Her love for you is far more conditional than my mother's love for me, if you can call it love at all.
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:24 pm
Lady__Miko I wasn't born because it was convenient. I wasn't born to someone who was so self absorbed they couldn't consider the lives of others unless they "had the time". Everyone's selfish true. But then you have those that understand the value of helping and caring for others, and thus are self gratified by helping those in need. heart
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:39 am
My mom is pro-choice actually, funny thing is she was pushed along if she stayed at my grandmother's house (now deceased, bless her soul) to get an abortion. Luckly she said nope, moved to Cali and moved up along the coast, whille taking care of my big sis.
She was 14 - 15 when this happened. Heh, if that isn't inconvienence I don't know what is.
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:02 pm
Lady__Miko Can you imagine a mother that could abort you? ... Look your mother in the face and imagine if when you were conceived she was studying to be a doctor. You wouldn't be here. Her love for you is far more conditional than my mother's love for me, if you can call it love at all. I suppose I'm not a good example for this (as my relationship with my mother is horrible, and really I feel she shouldn't have been a mother to begin with) but I have never, and still can't seem to understand why my not existing should be such a horrible thing. I just feel that I wouldn't even know enough to know that I didn't exist had my mother not choosen to have me. I was her only planned child (though my older sister and two younger brothers were all wanted just not expected pregnancies) mind you, so my existance was desired. I don't think that having a Pro-Choice/Pro-Life mother makes one more or less loved, and I find the idea of either being "better" very offensive. I think that having a loving mother, no matter the reason she got pregnant, gave birth, (or adopted) and raised you is best. And really, trying to claim that a mother on one side or the other of this issue is more loving in general is stupid, since being Pro-Anything when it comes to abortion doesn't make someone a good mother. Being a good mother makes someone a good mother, end of story.
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:03 pm
Master Kaiser My mom is pro-choice actually, funny thing is she was pushed along if she stayed at my grandmother's house (now deceased, bless her soul) to get an abortion. Luckly she said nope, moved to Cali and moved up along the coast, whille taking care of my big sis. She was 14 - 15 when this happened. Heh, if that isn't inconvienence I don't know what is. Wow. That is really an amazing story.
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:06 pm
WatersMoon110 Master Kaiser My mom is pro-choice actually, funny thing is she was pushed along if she stayed at my grandmother's house (now deceased, bless her soul) to get an abortion. Luckly she said nope, moved to Cali and moved up along the coast, whille taking care of my big sis. She was 14 - 15 when this happened. Heh, if that isn't inconvienence I don't know what is. Wow. That is really an amazing story. Haha, one thing that might possibly piss some pro-choicers off is that my sister just had her 3rd child. Her husband is starting his residency and their eldest is 6. She's getting her tubes tied. rofl
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:18 pm
@Waters: I think that it's a difference in thought between Pro-Lifers and Pro-Choicers that Pro-Lifers typically think, "What if I'd been aborted? I would hate that. I never would have experienced life, never would have eaten ice cream, never would have had my first kiss" and so on and so forth. But Pro-Choicers say, "Pff, who cares? I wouldn't be around, end of story."
Pro-Choicers also frequently seem to look at it as, "I wouldn't feel anything about it because I wouldn't exist." But Pro-Lifers in general don't think of it as, "I'll be sitting in Heaven thinking these things," they think of it as, "I -do- exist, and I currently hate the thought of having -not- existed."
When you strip away religion, life's all there is. When you take that away... It's pretty tragic. confused And to exist and consider the possibility of your nonexistence? It only makes sense to me that that would be a worrysome thought. I can't comprehend how I have never met a single Pro-Choicer who has said, "Yeah, I would hate to have been aborted." But I don't know if it's because all Pro-Choicers -actually- see it as, "I wouldn't be around. So I feel nothing about it." or if it's because Pro-Choicers feel it would weaken their argument to admit that the idea of never having existed scares them.
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Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:30 pm
well said. it's not so much the simple thought of "what if i had been aborted", it's the thought that we COULD have been aborted, that we dodged the bullet, that we were lucky enough to have parents with a bit of time on their hands and nothing better to do with their oh-so-precious time.
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:27 am
I.Am @Waters: I think that it's a difference in thought between Pro-Lifers and Pro-Choicers that Pro-Lifers typically think, "What if I'd been aborted? I would hate that. I never would have experienced life, never would have eaten ice cream, never would have had my first kiss" and so on and so forth. But Pro-Choicers say, "Pff, who cares? I wouldn't be around, end of story." Pro-Choicers also frequently seem to look at it as, "I wouldn't feel anything about it because I wouldn't exist." But Pro-Lifers in general don't think of it as, "I'll be sitting in Heaven thinking these things," they think of it as, "I -do- exist, and I currently hate the thought of having -not- existed." When you strip away religion, life's all there is. When you take that away... It's pretty tragic. confused And to exist and consider the possibility of your nonexistence? It only makes sense to me that that would be a worrysome thought. I can't comprehend how I have never met a single Pro-Choicer who has said, "Yeah, I would hate to have been aborted." But I don't know if it's because all Pro-Choicers -actually- see it as, "I wouldn't be around. So I feel nothing about it." or if it's because Pro-Choicers feel it would weaken their argument to admit that the idea of never having existed scares them. Plus we all know that if I wind up in heaven I won't be thinking anything other than. "Could I have been MORE wrong about life".
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 3:35 pm
King_Seth I.Am @Waters: I think that it's a difference in thought between Pro-Lifers and Pro-Choicers that Pro-Lifers typically think, "What if I'd been aborted? I would hate that. I never would have experienced life, never would have eaten ice cream, never would have had my first kiss" and so on and so forth. But Pro-Choicers say, "Pff, who cares? I wouldn't be around, end of story." Pro-Choicers also frequently seem to look at it as, "I wouldn't feel anything about it because I wouldn't exist." But Pro-Lifers in general don't think of it as, "I'll be sitting in Heaven thinking these things," they think of it as, "I -do- exist, and I currently hate the thought of having -not- existed." When you strip away religion, life's all there is. When you take that away... It's pretty tragic. confused And to exist and consider the possibility of your nonexistence? It only makes sense to me that that would be a worrysome thought. I can't comprehend how I have never met a single Pro-Choicer who has said, "Yeah, I would hate to have been aborted." But I don't know if it's because all Pro-Choicers -actually- see it as, "I wouldn't be around. So I feel nothing about it." or if it's because Pro-Choicers feel it would weaken their argument to admit that the idea of never having existed scares them. Plus we all know that if I wind up in heaven I won't be thinking anything other than. "Could I have been MORE wrong about life". It be more ironic if you said somthign like "Ah...god damnit!"
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:02 pm
Ebony the Peacian Vampire Lady__Miko I wasn't born because it was convenient. I wasn't born to someone who was so self absorbed they couldn't consider the lives of others unless they "had the time". Everyone's selfish true. But then you have those that understand the value of helping and caring for others, and thus are self gratified by helping those in need. heart Another heart ! I don't want a mom who "chose" me. I want one (and I have one, yay!) who'd let me live no matter what. That's unconditional love.
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Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 8:30 pm
La Veuve Zin I don't want a mom who "chose" me. I want one (and I have one, yay!) who'd let me live no matter what. That's unconditional love. heart heart heart
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Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:07 pm
Master Kaiser WatersMoon110 Master Kaiser My mom is pro-choice actually, funny thing is she was pushed along if she stayed at my grandmother's house (now deceased, bless her soul) to get an abortion. Luckly she said nope, moved to Cali and moved up along the coast, whille taking care of my big sis. She was 14 - 15 when this happened. Heh, if that isn't inconvienence I don't know what is. Wow. That is really an amazing story. Haha, one thing that might possibly piss some pro-choicers off is that my sister just had her 3rd child. Her husband is starting his residency and their eldest is 6. She's getting her tubes tied. rofl I don't really get how anyone would get upset by someone else choosing to have children. I do hope that your sister is happy with her three children, and also happy with her choice to get her tubes tied. I also wish her and her husband the best of luck.
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