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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 4:12 pm
Alephenon I've sparred with women before. Never held back. Maybe I would have if I had been taught to fight by a man, but my sensei is Sarah Sischo, and she's one evil hardcore *****. I held back against her once, and after I stopped hurting enough to pick myself off the floor, I vowed I would never hold back against a woman again. About two years ago, she put me into a spar with two women, not quite black belt level, but I had sparred with them before and knew they could probably work me over if I didn't finish it quick. They started out facing either side of me, about 18 inches in front of me. Sensei said go, and before either of them moved I slammed my top two knuckles into the closest side of their chest as hard as I could (which at that point wasn't very, I was kinda weak). I heard two yelps and they both broke off before they had time to throw a punch. I've always thought that kind of encapsulates my view on women in the martial arts. They're not weak. They're as strong as any other practicioner. And if they want to play, don't hold back - you're just asking for trouble. look dude i understand what your saying about not holding back. but when ur a guy who can knock someone out with one punch, u have to understand my skepticism on letting it all go. i am talking about BOXING here. like i said im sure in other martial arts strength might not matter too much, but in boxing strength is an enormous factor.
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:01 pm
Just go easy and work your way up. That's all I can say. If she can take that hit, hit her harder, if she can take then next, hit her harder. Keep going until she can't take 'em... Then go 1 above, just to make sure you win... hehe
Like I said, take it a little at a time. No point in trying to change everyone's mind at once, not even your own.
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:48 pm
Hixton Just go easy and work your way up. That's all I can say. If she can take that hit, hit her harder, if she can take then next, hit her harder. Keep going until she can't take 'em... Then go 1 above, just to make sure you win... hehe Like I said, take it a little at a time. No point in trying to change everyone's mind at once, not even your own. eh i guess ur right, but this will be very hard for me cause i was trained to never hold back. i will do my best.
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 7:55 pm
BoneCrusher10 Alephenon I've sparred with women before. Never held back. Maybe I would have if I had been taught to fight by a man, but my sensei is Sarah Sischo, and she's one evil hardcore *****. I held back against her once, and after I stopped hurting enough to pick myself off the floor, I vowed I would never hold back against a woman again. About two years ago, she put me into a spar with two women, not quite black belt level, but I had sparred with them before and knew they could probably work me over if I didn't finish it quick. They started out facing either side of me, about 18 inches in front of me. Sensei said go, and before either of them moved I slammed my top two knuckles into the closest side of their chest as hard as I could (which at that point wasn't very, I was kinda weak). I heard two yelps and they both broke off before they had time to throw a punch. I've always thought that kind of encapsulates my view on women in the martial arts. They're not weak. They're as strong as any other practicioner. And if they want to play, don't hold back - you're just asking for trouble. look dude i understand what your saying about not holding back. but when ur a guy who can knock someone out with one punch, u have to understand my skepticism on letting it all go. i am talking about BOXING here. like i said im sure in other martial arts strength might not matter too much, but in boxing strength is an enormous factor. I wasn't speaking specifically to you, I was merely stating my stance on the subject. Sorry if it seemed otherwise. I admit my ignorance of boxing, so I won't say anything on that - after all, a closed mouth gathers no foot.
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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:04 am
Alephenon BoneCrusher10 Alephenon I've sparred with women before. Never held back. Maybe I would have if I had been taught to fight by a man, but my sensei is Sarah Sischo, and she's one evil hardcore *****. I held back against her once, and after I stopped hurting enough to pick myself off the floor, I vowed I would never hold back against a woman again. About two years ago, she put me into a spar with two women, not quite black belt level, but I had sparred with them before and knew they could probably work me over if I didn't finish it quick. They started out facing either side of me, about 18 inches in front of me. Sensei said go, and before either of them moved I slammed my top two knuckles into the closest side of their chest as hard as I could (which at that point wasn't very, I was kinda weak). I heard two yelps and they both broke off before they had time to throw a punch. I've always thought that kind of encapsulates my view on women in the martial arts. They're not weak. They're as strong as any other practicioner. And if they want to play, don't hold back - you're just asking for trouble. look dude i understand what your saying about not holding back. but when ur a guy who can knock someone out with one punch, u have to understand my skepticism on letting it all go. i am talking about BOXING here. like i said im sure in other martial arts strength might not matter too much, but in boxing strength is an enormous factor. I wasn't speaking specifically to you, I was merely stating my stance on the subject. Sorry if it seemed otherwise. I admit my ignorance of boxing, so I won't say anything on that - after all, a closed mouth gathers no foot. nah dude its your opinion, i wont hold u against it.
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:49 am
Perhaps, I am being stubborn and just refusing to let this topic die. ::shrugs:: Its a fun topic, what can I say. I want to get back to the original point that the forum was started on with this issue, which wasn't sparring the opposite sex under means of... well, I use the poor title of "weaker gender". I don't think a topic of not holding or holding back on women in sparring was his means. Please, correct me if I am wrong. phi one zero Grappling and groundfighting is another story altogether. I always try to avoid grappling with girls (which, of course, isn't always possible), because it's just so damn distracting. Especially when fighting from guard, or in any technique that involves a lot of legwork. And yes, I always keep it professional and academic, but I'm male, and I'm straight, and my mind goes places. I do stay focused, but it takes effort, which diverts mental energy away from actually learning. It wouldn't be so bad if martial arts girls weren't so hot, but I've never met one that wasn't. ninja heart Yeah, like I said. Juvenile. I admit it. To me, this is talking about something I think I equally interesting... and its not because I'm a pervert. blaugh ninja My master forbids certain male students within the do jang from sparring of any kind with any women. Now... when I was white belt I was allowed to assume it was because they were higher up sparrers, but with some of those that theory quickly disappeared as I moved up. However, I now work as an instructor to some of these men but I was still not allowed to spar any of them and still being a naive martial arts idealist at the time I didn't understand why. Until one day... I was working with self-defense when lying down on the floor in a class. One of these guys was my senior student so I called him up to help me demonstrate. Master An was watching the class, I remember he had a very discontent look on his face, but I continued. Everything was fine until we got to a demonstration of if your opponent has you pinned from behind. Sure enough, I found out everything out. I felt it against my back... poor guy. Well, long story short, there were many apologies for the embarrassing situation. Luckily, we managed to keep the other students from realizing it. I found out that these guys either were complained about by previous female students or they themselves expressed this concern to Master An. I feel bad for putting that poor guy in that situation but honestly, I do think with certain people, ie. my boyfriend, it can be distracting, but I hope there are more guys out there with enough self-control than to need a cup for more means than for protection.
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 4:10 am
Been a while... sweatdrop
A couple of pages ago I read that guys are considdered to be stronger, but the MA I practice just doesn't care about that. We make use of balance. We attack in a line that doesn't have balance, so that the victim falls down easily, even if you don't use any force at all. You don't have to be strong.
Of course, when you do get hit, you'll have to be able to take it. That's why we get trained to take punches and kicks. Especially the weaker parts.
Every time I get hit, I smile and continue. My Sensei always sees me smiling and even if I get hit I smile, knowing that I'll punch them back. Actually, I see more people like that, usually the hardcore people.
When you practice a Martial Art, you should expect at least a little pain...
(Sorry if I repeated some of my previous post. Posted that some time ago... sweatdrop )
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 8:02 pm
first of all, ill repeat and say that my argument was about BOXING. now about what Amylin said, hahahahah u felt it against your back! please dont get offended from me laughing but thats just hilarious to me.
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:15 pm
Lelie I don't really see how just attacking in a straight line can force your oppenent onto the ground or push them around.(thats what I got from your post anyways) Unless you meant something completly different from:'We attack in a line that doesn't have balance' Then I'm pretty sure that attacking head on, no matter what Martial art you take isn't the best way to make them fall, circling and such I get, but eh.
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 12:41 am
BoneCrusher10 first of all, ill repeat and say that my argument was about BOXING. now about what Amylin said, hahahahah u felt it against your back! please dont get offended from me laughing but thats just hilarious to me. Not at all... I actually joke with that student about it sometimes. It was embarrassing at the time but if you take... well, 'accidents' like that seriously it hurts the friendly environment the do jang should have for a longer time. He did get a talking to from the head master and myself and he did apologise for it, so even though it was embarrassing for me all is forgiven and we even joke about it now.
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 1:28 pm
Xanos Achite Lelie I don't really see how just attacking in a straight line can force your oppenent onto the ground or push them around.(thats what I got from your post anyways) Unless you meant something completly different from:'We attack in a line that doesn't have balance' Then I'm pretty sure that attacking head on, no matter what Martial art you take isn't the best way to make them fall, circling and such I get, but eh. Atacking head on would be pretty stupid unless you really know what you're doing... Hmm... How can I explain xp We use speed, and basically wait for an opening. If you're trained in randori, or sparring, you'll get better at this. It's basically thinking ahead I guess. But we also use techniques to unbalance the attacker. We know a lot of different way to do that. Sometimes, a small push is enough, in the correct position. I can't explain it... Sorry...
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 5:22 pm
Hrm. Attacking in a line... Ok.. I THINK I know what you mean.
This does NOT mean coming straight at your opponent. This sounds a lot like, what we call in Wing Chun, the opponents center-line. It means attacking thier balance directly.. Wow.. it IS hard to describe.
Their center line shifts as their legs do, but you can find it when you push someone. There will always be a direction where you can push them, where they cannot fight back. ALWAYS. Try it, have someone stand if whatever fighting stance they want, and walk around them pushing in different directions. You'll find a point or two where they are easy to push over (or a lot easier than the rest of the points at least). That's their center line.
blah blah blah... I probobly did a terrible job explaining.. but... whatever. I tried blaugh .
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 6:15 pm
I've never had a problem with sparring/training with the opposite sex. Most of the girls/women in my class are alot faster than me, which makes a great challenge.
The only problems I've had the opposite sex were in grappling. The (lady) I fought accidently grabbed my "boys" and yanked. When she found out what she did, she turned as red as a cherry and appologized. That was so embarrassing. xd
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Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:36 am
Hixton Hrm. Attacking in a line... Ok.. I THINK I know what you mean. This does NOT mean coming straight at your opponent. This sounds a lot like, what we call in Wing Chun, the opponents center-line. It means attacking thier balance directly.. Wow.. it IS hard to describe. Their center line shifts as their legs do, but you can find it when you push someone. There will always be a direction where you can push them, where they cannot fight back. ALWAYS. Try it, have someone stand if whatever fighting stance they want, and walk around them pushing in different directions. You'll find a point or two where they are easy to push over (or a lot easier than the rest of the points at least). That's their center line. blah blah blah... I probobly did a terrible job explaining.. but... whatever. I tried blaugh . So basically you look at there stance, find about where the center of gravity is and then figure out the best tactic or technique to knock them off balance and/or continue with techniques to finish the match or fight? it sounds like it could work with fast and speedy movements, but then again if your oppenent is continually moving around you(side to side, drifting forwards and backwards) it's kind of hard to get the correct hit in, unless they are crossing there legs as they move, then you can just charge them and watch them fall, lol.
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Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2005 6:38 pm
I don't think this is about opposite genders, but height difference and disadvantages.
Today was my black belt testing and we had to have open palm sparring. I was going up against Big Josh, who's around 6 foot and just "big". We had our belts tied together and when he backed away from the full belt length, I couldn't reach since I'm only 5'1. So my neck hurts because I got hit in the head alot....
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