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Strikes to the groin, eyes and throat is dirty fighting and takes no skill.
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Mr. Cynical

PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2006 6:28 pm


Thunder Foot

I see your point. But people punch the air more so than they hit something. In order to develop a good form in punching, boxers punch air all the time, or hit focus mits with little power. So punching air isn't useless, it has a purpose of equal importance to punching a bag.
Of course. I was actually trying to relate more along the lines of doing what most Shotokan schools would do, you know, standing in a line, punching the air, never making contact with anything. Boxers are a different story, they do both. But I do suppose it depends on the school/individual as well.

Thunder Foot
As far as practicing it, you can simulate the same motion by doing a palm strike in place of the eye poke during partner practice. If THATS too "unrealistic" for you, then you can get yourself a B.O.B. (body opponent bag), which has the features of a human from head to torso... Bob even comes with synthetic skin! You can Biu jee Bob all you want, and he wont even get mad at you.
Hmmm. Sounds interesting. How much do they usually go for?

Thunder Foot
Pressure testing.... I'm assuming you mean perform techniques under the pressure of fighting? I suppose, but its not the same everytime. But anything is better than nothing.
Actually, pressure testing is a way to test/improve your techniques without actually fighting. It's more along the lines of sparring. First, you learn the technique. Then you practice it with a partner, until you have the basic movements and stuff down. Then, your partner adds more resistance against you when performing your technique. When you feel confident enough, you have your partner create more of a resistance.
PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2006 10:17 pm


There are people who train with people that wear all sorts of pads and a good face gard. This would alow you to fight some one as hard as you wanted without actualy doing any harm. The kind of pads I am talking about are some times used in women's self defense classes.

The people who made this book Real Fighting : Adrenaline Stress Conditioning Through Scenario-Based Training by Peyton Quinn use pads and try to make things as real as posible I don't know much about them though.

Wolf Nightshade


Tatsuya_Kawajiri

PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2006 1:23 am


Wolf3001
There are people who train with people that wear all sorts of pads and a good face gard. This would alow you to fight some one as hard as you wanted without actualy doing any harm. The kind of pads I am talking about are some times used in women's self defense classes.

The people who made this book Real Fighting : Adrenaline Stress Conditioning Through Scenario-Based Training by Peyton Quinn use pads and try to make things as real as posible I don't know much about them though.


You obviously have never sparred with those pads on. Or you've never sparred with someone who hit hard. Or even more likely, you've never sparred in your life.
PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2006 12:03 pm


I havent sparred with pads for a wile now. Me and a friend went at it with boxing gloves one day I havent sparred with pads sinse i was in Tae Kwon Do and the way they wanted us to sparr was one reason I quit. I understand how bad it is to wear all those pads theres no way around it though. In our class you block or get hit my teacher has said at our level if we get hit its our fault.

We don't spar like other schools do and we have no pads I think we should get them but no one elss sees a point. If I ever get the money for pads I plan to buy 2 sets so I can spar with people in my class. Me not being hit hard is a joke In class I have been kicked in the ribs and punched more than a few times my teacher has knocked me on my a**.

One of my brothers knocked my a** out when I was a kid and last spring I fliped a four wheeler and it rolled on top of my head. I think I can handel being hit but say what you want you don't know me.

Wolf Nightshade


Tatsuya_Kawajiri

PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2006 12:14 pm


Wolf3001
I havent sparred with pads for a wile now. Me and a friend went at it with boxing gloves one day I havent sparred with pads sinse i was in Tae Kwon Do and the way they wanted us to sparr was one reason I quit. I understand how bad it is to wear all those pads theres no way around it though. In our class you block or get hit my teacher has said at our level if we get hit its our fault.

We don't spar like other schools do and we have no pads I think we should get them but no one elss sees a point. If I ever get the money for pads I plan to buy 2 sets so I can spar with people in my class. Me not being hit hard is a joke In class I have been kicked in the ribs and punched more than a few times my teacher has knocked me on my a**.

One of my brothers knocked my a** out when I was a kid and last spring I fliped a four wheeler and it rolled on top of my head. I think I can handel being hit but say what you want you don't know me.



Damn, no wonder you're so stupid.
PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2006 9:59 pm


Wolf: You're not going to win this one. Tatsuya writes better than you, thinks faster than you, and seems to have a more practical knowledge of fighting. Your theory is excellent, but you need some good, hard practice at the hands of a good instructor. How much formal education have you had?

Tatsuya: Lighten up a little. Yeah, Wolf's not very eloquent, but you're kinda pushin' around a lightweight if you know he doesn't handle words well and you keep attacking him. In a fight, you use all you've got, but pushing your advantage like this here makes you look like a bit of a jerk. We get the idea that you don't like Wolf, and we can all read his posts and judge for ourselves whether or not we agree with him. I agree with you for the most part, but I think you should ease up on him for a bit.

I've given my opinion on dirty fighting, but I'll sum up again. I'm 5'6" and 160#. I'm not kicking anybody's a** unless I pull out the stops, hence I study a fairly tactical and ruthless style. If your a$$ is on the line and you're not using everything you've got, something's wrong.

Laren


Tatsuya_Kawajiri

PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2006 10:02 pm


I'll lighten up when I die! mad

lol.
PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2006 3:17 am


I have had some Tae Kwon Do training back in like forth grade the teacher sucked so did every thing elss in that class so I quit. About five years ago I went to a Wing Chun class to see what it was like and I loved it. It was the only class that we have around that dosent train for sports use and because I know people who train with the other martial arts teachers in my town.

I knew what kind of training they got I don't feel the way they train is for me so I started Wing Chun. I traind in class twice a week from 6 to 9 at night and on days that I diden't have class I practiced at home.

I am one of those people who go through a form and can't remember it later. I found that out when I took Tae Kwon Do so at home I practiced when we didn't have class. I some times practiced after we had class and at school every day I went through my forms and techniques in my art room during lunch.

I am now an assistant instructor in my class I am two levels from being a Sifu but thats only because I am going to a Tech school out side my home town and have not tested for a wile. Thats not that bad though it gives me a chance to work on things more its best to take things slow and work on perfecting every thing before moveing on to new things.

I would like to say that our class has alot to offer a few of my class mates have trained in other styles so we train to deal with them and mix things with what we know two guys in our school are cops so we go over things they know. My teacher traind in two schools of Wing Chun and has traind in Jujutsu we also have a guy in class who is realy good at Hapkido.

Because of the two Karate schools in town we have people who have or still do train in Karate there are also a lot of Boxers and wrestlers in our town. People come and go in our class so we get new things from alot of people it helps out alot. I can say for a fact that my teacher is not in it for money we barely make enough to rent the building we use we were close to just training at his house.

Both my head teacher and his wife are Masters in the William Cheung branch of Wing Chun. I have met William Cheung and ate lunch with the guy I can't say I know all about him but he is an ok guy and he knows alot. The training I get from my Wing Chun class is beter than most schools I have seen I helped put on a tournament and have seen many although my school dose not compete my teacher and most of the guys in my class are 30 or older and don't care to compete some don't have time.

I plan to when I am ready I have learnd alot of people expect Wing Chun to fail so I want to prove that if traind properly Wing Chun is not a crapy style that is one of my goals and I am trying to learn all I can of our style and how best to use it inorder to become good enough to represent our school at local competitions.

Wolf Nightshade


Thunder Foot

PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2006 9:33 am


Mr. Cynical
Hmmm. Sounds interesting. How much do they usually go for?

Thunder Foot
Pressure testing.... I'm assuming you mean perform techniques under the pressure of fighting? I suppose, but its not the same everytime. But anything is better than nothing.
Actually, pressure testing is a way to test/improve your techniques without actually fighting. It's more along the lines of sparring. First, you learn the technique. Then you practice it with a partner, until you have the basic movements and stuff down. Then, your partner adds more resistance against you when performing your technique. When you feel confident enough, you have your partner create more of a resistance.


THe B.O.B.'s are manufactered by Century. They make alot of Karate style training equipment. Here is a link and a picture.

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http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/601-0653443-9321748?_encoding=UTF8&frombrowse=1&asin=B00022KIYY

They are sold at many different Martial Art's Retailers. There is also a full bodied Opponent bag as well, but that one must be suspended. Or it can be used for basic wrestling techniques as well.
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2006 11:09 am


Tatsuya_Kawajiri
I'll lighten up when I die! mad

lol.
Or when he gets laid. Whichever comes first. xp

Marty Nozz


Tatsuya_Kawajiri

PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2006 7:11 pm


All I know is that I made Wolf ride the pwny express right back to loserville.

PWND.
PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 10:24 am


Who you calling a loser you talk s**t like a punk and as far as I am concerned there is no good reason for it. I don't know you and you don't know me I had no problem with you. Your opinions are fine by me but I think your an idiot calling me names and s**t when thats all you can do online. You said I had a problem that if I care this much about being on the guilds I fail at life.

From the way I see things your the one whos failing at life you don't seem to care about any one but your self and your style. I love the martial arts and respect them all every one of them has weaknesses it is up to the people training in a style to fix the weak areas of a style.

You should just keep your mouth shut your presence on Gaia is insulting enough to me.

Wolf Nightshade


Tatsuya_Kawajiri

PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 1:56 am


Wolf3001
Who you calling a loser you talk s**t like a punk and as far as I am concerned there is no good reason for it. I don't know you and you don't know me I had no problem with you. Your opinions are fine by me but I think your an idiot calling me names and s**t when thats all you can do online. You said I had a problem that if I care this much about being on the guilds I fail at life.

From the way I see things your the one whos failing at life you don't seem to care about any one but your self and your style. I love the martial arts and respect them all every one of them has weaknesses it is up to the people training in a style to fix the weak areas of a style.

You should just keep your mouth shut your presence on Gaia is insulting enough to me.


If you think I don't care about anyone but myself why did you bother writing this horrible piece of literature attacking me?

Face it, I > You.
PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 10:26 am


If you don't like me fine I don't care but your a fool to keep talking s**t like you do thats all you can do. You make me want to puke you thank your so tough talking crap if i didn't know better I would mistake you for a cows a**.

Why don't you go screw your self I am realy fed up with you I have been for a long time but didn't bother to do any thing tell lately now you just seem to come on to talk crap.

All I want to do is talk martial arts not argue with some punk who can only insult people. I didn't come here to start crap I just want it finished if people think I am the one thats wrong about this I will leave. But realy what am I suposed to do people just take his crap I will not take crap from some punk I don't even know.

Wolf Nightshade


Tatsuya_Kawajiri

PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 3:25 pm


Wolf3001
If you don't like me fine I don't care but your a fool to keep talking s**t like you do thats all you can do. You make me want to puke you thank your so tough talking crap if i didn't know better I would mistake you for a cows a**.

Why don't you go screw your self I am realy fed up with you I have been for a long time but didn't bother to do any thing tell lately now you just seem to come on to talk crap.

All I want to do is talk martial arts not argue with some punk who can only insult people. I didn't come here to start crap I just want it finished if people think I am the one thats wrong about this I will leave. But realy what am I suposed to do people just take his crap I will not take crap from some punk I don't even know.


You know, the only reason i don't like you (besides your ******** horrible english/communication skills) is you're ******** seemingly retarded grasp upon simple concepts. See this WHOLE thread as an example. Your ******** refusal to acknowledge that when it's a person who's trained 1 art vs a person who's trained 1 art that art DOES matter. And quite simply, you're ******** stupid for thinking Star trek weapons are actually legitimate.
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