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[Duo_Maxwell]

PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 8:23 am


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Trowa treats Quatre like crap when they meet up in California; a lot of people ignore that in favor of trying to apply homosexual subtext to their little jam session.

On the other hand, Dorothy was in complete opposition to the entire Gundam Team when she fought Quatre; she didn't stab him out of personal dislike, it didn't seem. Also, she says that she dislikes him because it seems that she used to be that kind of person herself, until she lost her father and became somewhat bitter. Of course, meeting the guys helped change her, as her subsequent appearances in Battlefield of Pacifists and Endless Waltz show.

Like I said before, some of the 3x4 stuff seen through out the series involves going out on a limb. Way, way, way out on a limb. So out on a limb, the branch is beginning to break. But I still really never saw 4xD working very well either - personality wise.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:46 am


[Duo_Maxwell]
Like I said before, some of the 3x4 stuff seen through out the series involves going out on a limb. Way, way, way out on a limb. So out on a limb, the branch is beginning to break. But I still really never saw 4xD working very well either - personality wise.


Oh, I agree. Earlier in the topic, I commented that I still had a problem seeing 4xD working because I don't know if Dorothy would be comfortable hanging around someone so darn squeaky clean. I think she'd need someone a bit more...well, the word that springs to mind is "dirty". Someone who's a bit more human, more flawed.

The way I see it, Dorothy would need someone who is smart enough to challenge her intellectually, and would have amusing reactions when she started getting frisky (as I imagine she'll do after a few years, when we hit the age where the cast actually starts thinking about sex).

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KatWarrior

PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 4:43 pm


I've... never really pictured Quatre with anyone. XD Not to say he couldn't find the right girl further down the road but hey! He's young! There's plenty of time.

Though the idea of him being with Relena seemed somewhat reasonable. But also after a whole freaking series and movie of Heero and Relena building something of a relationship, they may as well be together.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:12 pm


Problem is, I don't see Quatre and Relena happening, They're too much alike in my opinion. There should be a balance. I see them more as friends. Besides, I think Dorothy and Relena are friends too in some strange way despite all the betrayal and junk. Yeah, Relena could be the link between those too since she is friends with both but most probably not a romantic interest for either. *shudders* I've seen Dorothy/Relena shoujo-ai... Haven't read any, just seen teasers.

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TheWindySea

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:01 pm


Ah... The great debate... *smile*

Well, neither is cannon. Though, my thinking is, why would someone want to be with someone else if that person stabbed them? Yeah sure Dorothy can be cool and all, but she's a freaking psycho! *coughs*Sorry.

I personally like Quatre and Trowa. It's a cute pairing and it works. *shrug* That's just me though.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:48 am


hazel_secrets
Ah... The great debate... *smile*

Well, neither is cannon. Though, my thinking is, why would someone want to be with someone else if that person stabbed them? Yeah sure Dorothy can be cool and all, but she's a freaking psycho! *coughs*Sorry.

I personally like Quatre and Trowa. It's a cute pairing and it works. *shrug* That's just me though.


For the sake of debate, Quatre did blow Trowa up and let him float away into space....but no one seems to find that a deterrence to a relationship. I've written both sides and I like Dorothy and Quatre because he seems to understand and empathize with her feelings. He knows why she stabbed him and doesn't hold it against her. And he's got quite the psycho laugh himself, caused I might add by the death of his sister and father, just as Dorothy's war psychosis was caused by the death of her father. If war was not a beautiful thing, then what was the purpose of her father's death? That's how she justifies her emotions.

Midii


redsoxcowboy

PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:35 am


I hate to be a total noob, but what is 4+D
and 3+4?

I know that yaoi is anime porn or something, but isn't
that what hentai is?

I'm confused!
@_@
PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:38 am


I'm all against any kind of porn
but that's just me.
I dont care if others like it
because it is not my business
and they are sometimes nice people

redsoxcowboy


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 2:32 pm


Brief summary...

4xD = Quatre and Dorothy as a romantic couple

3x4 = Trowa and Quatre as a romantic couple

Hentai = anime that crosses into sexual territory

Yaoi = Hentai consisting primarily of male-male sex; alternately, a male-male relationship with heavy focus on the sexual aspects
PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:42 am


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Brief summary...

4xD = Quatre and Dorothy as a romantic couple

3x4 = Trowa and Quatre as a romantic couple

Hentai = anime that crosses into sexual territory

Yaoi = Hentai consisting primarily of male-male sex; alternately, a male-male relationship with heavy focus on the sexual aspects

Thus, should we use the term shounen-ai here instead of the oft-misused term yaoi?

Aona


Rebbekha Elfbane

PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:57 am


Midii
For the sake of debate, Quatre did blow Trowa up and let him float away into space....but no one seems to find that a deterrence to a relationship.


I remember that very well. I also seem to remember Quatre screaming at Trowa to get out of that damn mobile suit, then trying to go after him. But there was the little, insignificant detail of Heero not letting him. And for the record, on the rare occassions I write canon fics instead of AU, that is remembered. It is remembered very well, indeed. There are trust issues involved.

Okay. I am a huge shonen-ai fangirl. I will not lie. Subjectively, I cling to the 3x4x3 side rabidly. In my moments of total non-thinking fangirlishness, I have been known to attempt fanart.
Taking a step back into the realm of sanity, I just can't see 4D. Ever. Because if damaging someone's mobile suit in a battle after recently watching your father and older sister die (i.e. he was whacked out on grief) then trying and failing to save them can mar a relationship, what can stabbing someone in the gut do? Never mind that, realistically, complete opposites have short, flashy, usually tragic relationships, if they have relationships at all.
3x4x3, on the other hand.... Give them a few years. Say, four or five. Let them grow up, deal with the trauma of fighting a war almost completely by themselves. Let them discover who and what they are. If that process doesn't drastically change them both, I can definitely see Trowa and Quatre in a relationship.
Maybe it's just that my brain is wired funny from all the soda and anime. Maybe I'm actually on to something. Or maybe I'm just on something. Who knows?

Aona- Yes. I beg of you, yes. Please use shonen-ai instead of yaoi. I'm tired of people thinking I'm some kind of voyeuristic lech because half the anime-watching population - including most of my friends - doesn't know the difference between shonen-ai/shojo-ai and yaoi/yuri.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:41 pm


Rebbekha
Midii
For the sake of debate, Quatre did blow Trowa up and let him float away into space....but no one seems to find that a deterrence to a relationship.


I remember that very well. I also seem to remember Quatre screaming at Trowa to get out of that damn mobile suit, then trying to go after him. But there was the little, insignificant detail of Heero not letting him. And for the record, on the rare occassions I write canon fics instead of AU, that is remembered. It is remembered very well, indeed. There are trust issues involved.

Okay. I am a huge shonen-ai fangirl. I will not lie. Subjectively, I cling to the 3x4x3 side rabidly. In my moments of total non-thinking fangirlishness, I have been known to attempt fanart.
Taking a step back into the realm of sanity, I just can't see 4D. Ever. Because if damaging someone's mobile suit in a battle after recently watching your father and older sister die (i.e. he was whacked out on grief) then trying and failing to save them can mar a relationship, what can stabbing someone in the gut do? Never mind that, realistically, complete opposites have short, flashy, usually tragic relationships, if they have relationships at all.
3x4x3, on the other hand.... Give them a few years. Say, four or five. Let them grow up, deal with the trauma of fighting a war almost completely by themselves. Let them discover who and what they are. If that process doesn't drastically change them both, I can definitely see Trowa and Quatre in a relationship.
Maybe it's just that my brain is wired funny from all the soda and anime. Maybe I'm actually on to something. Or maybe I'm just on something. Who knows?

Aona- Yes. I beg of you, yes. Please use shonen-ai instead of yaoi. I'm tired of people thinking I'm some kind of voyeuristic lech because half the anime-watching population - including most of my friends - doesn't know the difference between shonen-ai/shojo-ai and yaoi/yuri.


Didn't say it wasn't remembered, only that it wasn't seen as a deterrent to romance between 3 and 4, which I am not against in any case although it is not my preferred pairing. Just bringing up a subject of discussion, I neither hate nor blame the character of Quatre for his actions, it adds an interesting dynamic to the relationship whether construed as platonic or romantic.

In my opinion, Dorothy in the series is also crazed by the loss of a loved one which is why she worships war and stabs Quatre. Much the same reason Quatre decided to blow up Trowa. So to me the stabbing should not be used as an excuse why they shouldn't be paired together. In my opinion the reasons behind her actions would probably inspire tender emotions in Quatre.

Midii


Aona

PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:13 pm


Dorothy's exactly the sort of person Quatre would probably want to help out. He'd see that she'd suffered a lot like him, and that it lead her down a path he nearly followed as well. He's extremely sensitive to the emotions of others as well, so he would probably be able to console her pretty effectively as well.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:47 am


Aona
Dorothy's exactly the sort of person Quatre would probably want to help out. He'd see that she'd suffered a lot like him, and that it lead her down a path he nearly followed as well. He's extremely sensitive to the emotions of others as well, so he would probably be able to console her pretty effectively as well.


Lovely heart My feelings exactly! I also want to say that in both the case of Trowa being blown up by Quatre and Quatre being stabbed by Dorothy I always got the message of the show being that neither injured party blamed the person who inflicted the injury.

Midii


I-Have-A-Guardian-Angel

PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:04 pm


I prefer Quatre and Dorothy, I'm no fan of Yaoi but I am a fan of cuddly relationships...there's a difference. Guys can be emotional and not gay ><. I'm not hiding it either. I severely dislike yaoi and anything sexual like that >>;.
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