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 Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:25 am
hmmm, this is tough. I belive a woman should have the choice, but i dont like that sometimes abortion can be abused. like for example, a girl having sex because she knows she can just go get an abortion. i belive that if abortion wasn't legalized, that many young girls would continue to throw their babies in the trash becasue they don't want to have to go to get a form filled out by their parents before they could even get the abortion.
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:08 pm
Arianna Blackstone hmmm, this is tough. I belive a woman should have the choice, but i dont like that sometimes abortion can be abused. like for example, a girl having sex because she knows she can just go get an abortion. i belive that if abortion wasn't legalized, that many young girls would continue to throw their babies in the trash becasue they don't want to have to go to get a form filled out by their parents before they could even get the abortion. Are the kid could just have the baby and drop it off ay any hopsital or any fire sation and not have to make contact or give any information. Just drop it off and leave. That is legalized and way better than an abortion. But also I think it's a good abortion is legalized for those girls and can be kept in secret. Because what if the girl was raped by her father and wanted to get an abortion but needed her parents permission. Her dad might want to have a kid a with her and won't allow it and the mom is going to want to know who the girl was sleeping with. Then the kid can out with birth defects because of incest or whatever and then all the emotional and mental scars that are going to come from that young girl. Yea that doesn't sound like an all to common problem, but in reality it is, just it's not talked about. And that's probably because these girls can go to those doctors and not have to worry about having to get parent premission to go and then once they know thoe whole story, the girl gets the help she needs.
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LearningtoBreath63 Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:52 pm
SaraRenee Arianna Blackstone hmmm, this is tough. I belive a woman should have the choice, but i dont like that sometimes abortion can be abused. like for example, a girl having sex because she knows she can just go get an abortion. i belive that if abortion wasn't legalized, that many young girls would continue to throw their babies in the trash becasue they don't want to have to go to get a form filled out by their parents before they could even get the abortion. Are the kid could just have the baby and drop it off ay any hopsital or any fire sation and not have to make contact or give any information. Just drop it off and leave. That is legalized and way better than an abortion. But also I think it's a good abortion is legalized for those girls and can be kept in secret. Because what if the girl was raped by her father and wanted to get an abortion but needed her parents permission. Her dad might want to have a kid a with her and won't allow it and the mom is going to want to know who the girl was sleeping with. Then the kid can out with birth defects because of incest or whatever and then all the emotional and mental scars that are going to come from that young girl. Yea that doesn't sound like an all to common problem, but in reality it is, just it's not talked about. And that's probably because these girls can go to those doctors and not have to worry about having to get parent premission to go and then once they know thoe whole story, the girl gets the help she needs. So you would rather abandon the poor thing, with no family. The kid would probably move from bad foster parent to bad foster parent in a place where he would only learn harm. I think that adoption isn't always the best option and that still leaves 9 months of the mothers life where she has to struggle and worry. 9 months, try giving yourself up for 9 months just to have a painful experience and then have to give up all progress made. Now I'm not a woman but I know that if I had to be in pain for 9 months or work for 9 months just to leave all progress on the floor of some hospital so that all that progress could be waisted, I wouldn't want to do that and so women should have the choice. But it should be limited to three times and not after the 3rd month ends, and after the 3rd time, if they want to get another abortion their would have to be a good reason like rape.
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:07 am
John read other posts before you try to say what side I am...I've always stated from the beginning of this thread I am pro-choice. That doesn't mean I think people should get an abortion except for certain things. And not every kid who enters into a foster home ends up in a bad place. I know quite a lot of people who were adopted and all of them I know, they got to my church. One of them is a Pastor..And you wanna know how she ended up being adopted? Black Market. And then her parents died when she was young so she lived in and out of her friends home until she moved in with one permenantly(sp) and now she leads a whole generation of kids. Two of my friends are adopted, I met them at church. A leader in my church, he leads a small group is in 20/20 (leadership team) and does the introduction every wed. night and willingly prays and calls my brother from time to time, to get him back in church. He was adopted. Adoption isn't all bad, but the bad stories are the ones who causes more emotion and gets more people's attention than the good. So I think if you can get an adoption over an abortion go for it. They have girls who get pregnant and then they find a family and interview them and then the family that is going to end up with the baby pays for all the doctor visits and medicines or whatever medical needs she may need. In some instances if it's a struggling mom they help with some other stuff. So I strongly believe adoption over abortion and most people are more willing to adopt a baby over an older kid.
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:24 pm
LearningtoBreath63 SaraRenee Arianna Blackstone hmmm, this is tough. I belive a woman should have the choice, but i dont like that sometimes abortion can be abused. like for example, a girl having sex because she knows she can just go get an abortion. i belive that if abortion wasn't legalized, that many young girls would continue to throw their babies in the trash becasue they don't want to have to go to get a form filled out by their parents before they could even get the abortion. Are the kid could just have the baby and drop it off ay any hopsital or any fire sation and not have to make contact or give any information. Just drop it off and leave. That is legalized and way better than an abortion. But also I think it's a good abortion is legalized for those girls and can be kept in secret. Because what if the girl was raped by her father and wanted to get an abortion but needed her parents permission. Her dad might want to have a kid a with her and won't allow it and the mom is going to want to know who the girl was sleeping with. Then the kid can out with birth defects because of incest or whatever and then all the emotional and mental scars that are going to come from that young girl. Yea that doesn't sound like an all to common problem, but in reality it is, just it's not talked about. And that's probably because these girls can go to those doctors and not have to worry about having to get parent premission to go and then once they know thoe whole story, the girl gets the help she needs. So you would rather abandon the poor thing, with no family. The kid would probably move from bad foster parent to bad foster parent in a place where he would only learn harm. I think that adoption isn't always the best option and that still leaves 9 months of the mothers life where she has to struggle and worry. 9 months, try giving yourself up for 9 months just to have a painful experience and then have to give up all progress made. Now I'm not a woman but I know that if I had to be in pain for 9 months or work for 9 months just to leave all progress on the floor of some hospital so that all that progress could be waisted, I wouldn't want to do that and so women should have the choice. But it should be limited to three times and not after the 3rd month ends, and after the 3rd time, if they want to get another abortion their would have to be a good reason like rape. So what if your mother suddenly told you that you were born because she was raped? Would you want her to kill you? Would you kill yourself?
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:21 pm
Imotoku LearningtoBreath63 SaraRenee Arianna Blackstone hmmm, this is tough. I belive a woman should have the choice, but i dont like that sometimes abortion can be abused. like for example, a girl having sex because she knows she can just go get an abortion. i belive that if abortion wasn't legalized, that many young girls would continue to throw their babies in the trash becasue they don't want to have to go to get a form filled out by their parents before they could even get the abortion. Are the kid could just have the baby and drop it off ay any hopsital or any fire sation and not have to make contact or give any information. Just drop it off and leave. That is legalized and way better than an abortion. But also I think it's a good abortion is legalized for those girls and can be kept in secret. Because what if the girl was raped by her father and wanted to get an abortion but needed her parents permission. Her dad might want to have a kid a with her and won't allow it and the mom is going to want to know who the girl was sleeping with. Then the kid can out with birth defects because of incest or whatever and then all the emotional and mental scars that are going to come from that young girl. Yea that doesn't sound like an all to common problem, but in reality it is, just it's not talked about. And that's probably because these girls can go to those doctors and not have to worry about having to get parent premission to go and then once they know thoe whole story, the girl gets the help she needs. So you would rather abandon the poor thing, with no family. The kid would probably move from bad foster parent to bad foster parent in a place where he would only learn harm. I think that adoption isn't always the best option and that still leaves 9 months of the mothers life where she has to struggle and worry. 9 months, try giving yourself up for 9 months just to have a painful experience and then have to give up all progress made. Now I'm not a woman but I know that if I had to be in pain for 9 months or work for 9 months just to leave all progress on the floor of some hospital so that all that progress could be waisted, I wouldn't want to do that and so women should have the choice. But it should be limited to three times and not after the 3rd month ends, and after the 3rd time, if they want to get another abortion their would have to be a good reason like rape. So what if your mother suddenly told you that you were born because she was raped? Would you want her to kill you? Would you kill yourself? But it didn't happen, and if the baby was never born how would it affect their life, they wouldn't have it. If my mom had an abortion I wouldn't be in existance and therefore it wouldn't matter to me because there would be no me. Now I agree restrictions are needed, but taking away the option completely goes against the right a woman has.
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:21 pm
LearningtoBreath63 Imotoku LearningtoBreath63 SaraRenee Arianna Blackstone hmmm, this is tough. I belive a woman should have the choice, but i dont like that sometimes abortion can be abused. like for example, a girl having sex because she knows she can just go get an abortion. i belive that if abortion wasn't legalized, that many young girls would continue to throw their babies in the trash becasue they don't want to have to go to get a form filled out by their parents before they could even get the abortion. Are the kid could just have the baby and drop it off ay any hopsital or any fire sation and not have to make contact or give any information. Just drop it off and leave. That is legalized and way better than an abortion. But also I think it's a good abortion is legalized for those girls and can be kept in secret. Because what if the girl was raped by her father and wanted to get an abortion but needed her parents permission. Her dad might want to have a kid a with her and won't allow it and the mom is going to want to know who the girl was sleeping with. Then the kid can out with birth defects because of incest or whatever and then all the emotional and mental scars that are going to come from that young girl. Yea that doesn't sound like an all to common problem, but in reality it is, just it's not talked about. And that's probably because these girls can go to those doctors and not have to worry about having to get parent premission to go and then once they know thoe whole story, the girl gets the help she needs. So you would rather abandon the poor thing, with no family. The kid would probably move from bad foster parent to bad foster parent in a place where he would only learn harm. I think that adoption isn't always the best option and that still leaves 9 months of the mothers life where she has to struggle and worry. 9 months, try giving yourself up for 9 months just to have a painful experience and then have to give up all progress made. Now I'm not a woman but I know that if I had to be in pain for 9 months or work for 9 months just to leave all progress on the floor of some hospital so that all that progress could be waisted, I wouldn't want to do that and so women should have the choice. But it should be limited to three times and not after the 3rd month ends, and after the 3rd time, if they want to get another abortion their would have to be a good reason like rape. So what if your mother suddenly told you that you were born because she was raped? Would you want her to kill you? Would you kill yourself? But it didn't happen, and if the baby was never born how would it affect their life, they wouldn't have it. If my mom had an abortion I wouldn't be in existance and therefore it wouldn't matter to me because there would be no me. Now I agree restrictions are needed, but taking away the option completely goes against the right a woman has. I agree. Completely. God gave us the right to choose to follow him. We aren't forced to, so why should I, as a woman, be forced to give up my freedom of choice because a religion tells me it's sin? God doesn't even force me to follow him so why should a religion force me to follow what they believe to be right?
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:44 am
SaraRenee LearningtoBreath63 Imotoku LearningtoBreath63 SaraRenee Arianna Blackstone hmmm, this is tough. I belive a woman should have the choice, but i dont like that sometimes abortion can be abused. like for example, a girl having sex because she knows she can just go get an abortion. i belive that if abortion wasn't legalized, that many young girls would continue to throw their babies in the trash becasue they don't want to have to go to get a form filled out by their parents before they could even get the abortion. Are the kid could just have the baby and drop it off ay any hopsital or any fire sation and not have to make contact or give any information. Just drop it off and leave. That is legalized and way better than an abortion. But also I think it's a good abortion is legalized for those girls and can be kept in secret. Because what if the girl was raped by her father and wanted to get an abortion but needed her parents permission. Her dad might want to have a kid a with her and won't allow it and the mom is going to want to know who the girl was sleeping with. Then the kid can out with birth defects because of incest or whatever and then all the emotional and mental scars that are going to come from that young girl. Yea that doesn't sound like an all to common problem, but in reality it is, just it's not talked about. And that's probably because these girls can go to those doctors and not have to worry about having to get parent premission to go and then once they know thoe whole story, the girl gets the help she needs. So you would rather abandon the poor thing, with no family. The kid would probably move from bad foster parent to bad foster parent in a place where he would only learn harm. I think that adoption isn't always the best option and that still leaves 9 months of the mothers life where she has to struggle and worry. 9 months, try giving yourself up for 9 months just to have a painful experience and then have to give up all progress made. Now I'm not a woman but I know that if I had to be in pain for 9 months or work for 9 months just to leave all progress on the floor of some hospital so that all that progress could be waisted, I wouldn't want to do that and so women should have the choice. But it should be limited to three times and not after the 3rd month ends, and after the 3rd time, if they want to get another abortion their would have to be a good reason like rape. So what if your mother suddenly told you that you were born because she was raped? Would you want her to kill you? Would you kill yourself? But it didn't happen, and if the baby was never born how would it affect their life, they wouldn't have it. If my mom had an abortion I wouldn't be in existance and therefore it wouldn't matter to me because there would be no me. Now I agree restrictions are needed, but taking away the option completely goes against the right a woman has. I agree. Completely. God gave us the right to choose to follow him. We aren't forced to, so why should I, as a woman, be forced to give up my freedom of choice because a religion tells me it's sin? God doesn't even force me to follow him so why should a religion force me to follow what they believe to be right? This has been said before, but I will say it again. Just because you have the choice doesn't mean it is correct. I agree people have rights, but is it okay to elevate them above God's standards? I already posted a post on page three about the standards thing. Because Adam had the right to turn from God, he should have, according to this. No, a religion shouldn't force you do to anything, but are we talking about a religion, or are we talking about God? Because Jesus had the right to not follow Father's will, he should have, and not save humanity, right? It is not about religion, it is about God's will.
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:25 am
Imotoku SaraRenee LearningtoBreath63 Imotoku LearningtoBreath63 So you would rather abandon the poor thing, with no family. The kid would probably move from bad foster parent to bad foster parent in a place where he would only learn harm. I think that adoption isn't always the best option and that still leaves 9 months of the mothers life where she has to struggle and worry. 9 months, try giving yourself up for 9 months just to have a painful experience and then have to give up all progress made. Now I'm not a woman but I know that if I had to be in pain for 9 months or work for 9 months just to leave all progress on the floor of some hospital so that all that progress could be waisted, I wouldn't want to do that and so women should have the choice. But it should be limited to three times and not after the 3rd month ends, and after the 3rd time, if they want to get another abortion their would have to be a good reason like rape. So what if your mother suddenly told you that you were born because she was raped? Would you want her to kill you? Would you kill yourself? But it didn't happen, and if the baby was never born how would it affect their life, they wouldn't have it. If my mom had an abortion I wouldn't be in existance and therefore it wouldn't matter to me because there would be no me. Now I agree restrictions are needed, but taking away the option completely goes against the right a woman has. I agree. Completely. God gave us the right to choose to follow him. We aren't forced to, so why should I, as a woman, be forced to give up my freedom of choice because a religion tells me it's sin? God doesn't even force me to follow him so why should a religion force me to follow what they believe to be right? This has been said before, but I will say it again. Just because you have the choice doesn't mean it is correct. I agree people have rights, but is it okay to elevate them above God's standards? I already posted a post on page three about the standards thing. Because Adam had the right to turn from God, he should have, according to this. No, a religion shouldn't force you do to anything, but are we talking about a religion, or are we talking about God? Because Jesus had the right to not follow Father's will, he should have, and not save humanity, right? It is not about religion, it is about God's will. It doesn't matter. Yes God's will does not matter in this case. Just because it might be God's will for that kid to live doesn't give anyone the right, to take that right from any women. God never made me choose to follow him. He never made me say Jesus is my Lord and Savior and to this day he doesn't make me choose his will over my own. So there is no way in hell, that God's will should be forced on anyone person because people are so self-righteous and feel it's their job to save the world. Because they can't, only God can do that. Yea you can help, but by forcing people out their right, you are doing something God would never do. When you were sinner did God come right down to you and take your free will from you and make you choose to follow him? No he let you live in sin as long as you did until one day you chose to follow him. Now why the hell turn around and do something that God hasn't commanded anyone to do? You can't take something away from people that God gave them. Which is the free will to choose.
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:20 pm
SaraRenee Imotoku SaraRenee LearningtoBreath63 Imotoku LearningtoBreath63 So you would rather abandon the poor thing, with no family. The kid would probably move from bad foster parent to bad foster parent in a place where he would only learn harm. I think that adoption isn't always the best option and that still leaves 9 months of the mothers life where she has to struggle and worry. 9 months, try giving yourself up for 9 months just to have a painful experience and then have to give up all progress made. Now I'm not a woman but I know that if I had to be in pain for 9 months or work for 9 months just to leave all progress on the floor of some hospital so that all that progress could be waisted, I wouldn't want to do that and so women should have the choice. But it should be limited to three times and not after the 3rd month ends, and after the 3rd time, if they want to get another abortion their would have to be a good reason like rape. So what if your mother suddenly told you that you were born because she was raped? Would you want her to kill you? Would you kill yourself? But it didn't happen, and if the baby was never born how would it affect their life, they wouldn't have it. If my mom had an abortion I wouldn't be in existance and therefore it wouldn't matter to me because there would be no me. Now I agree restrictions are needed, but taking away the option completely goes against the right a woman has. I agree. Completely. God gave us the right to choose to follow him. We aren't forced to, so why should I, as a woman, be forced to give up my freedom of choice because a religion tells me it's sin? God doesn't even force me to follow him so why should a religion force me to follow what they believe to be right? This has been said before, but I will say it again. Just because you have the choice doesn't mean it is correct. I agree people have rights, but is it okay to elevate them above God's standards? I already posted a post on page three about the standards thing. Because Adam had the right to turn from God, he should have, according to this. No, a religion shouldn't force you do to anything, but are we talking about a religion, or are we talking about God? Because Jesus had the right to not follow Father's will, he should have, and not save humanity, right? It is not about religion, it is about God's will. It doesn't matter. Yes God's will does not matter in this case. Just because it might be God's will for that kid to live doesn't give anyone the right, to take that right from any women. God never made me choose to follow him. He never made me say Jesus is my Lord and Savior and to this day he doesn't make me choose his will over my own. So there is no way in hell, that God's will should be forced on anyone person because people are so self-righteous and feel it's their job to save the world. Because they can't, only God can do that. Yea you can help, but by forcing people out their right, you are doing something God would never do. When you were sinner did God come right down to you and take your free will from you and make you choose to follow him? No he let you live in sin as long as you did until one day you chose to follow him. Now why the hell turn around and do something that God hasn't commanded anyone to do? You can't take something away from people that God gave them. Which is the free will to choose. I see what you mean, except for the part about God's will not meaning anything. We should always strive toward God's plan. Yeah it was our choice to stop sinning, but we couldn't do it without God in the first place. It was God's will to help us with our sinning problems, otherwise he wouldn't have helped us. We can't be saved on our own, it is God's will to save us. So yes, God's will does matter. So we shouldn't even try to stop a rapest right? It is their right to do that and we have no right to put them in jail, that would be taking their free will away, correct?
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:32 pm
Jakal Saba Naor OutkasTeen ya, but they don't kill grown babies, the don't kill at all, they stop the life, killing would mean the baby was already born, but thats not what happens, and stopping isn't murder, and god says nothing in the bible on the issue. also, just because your pro-choice doesn't mean your not pro-life, its just means that you think it should be a right whether you would have it done or not. If God knows us before we are born we are alive to Him. And He is all that matters. He knows us before we are born, that could mean spirit, not fetus. A fetus isn't a living thing, well at least it hasn't been proven, and considering the bible doesn't talk about abortion nor mentions it's existence, it can choose no side. God never said getting an abortion is a sin, so you can't use the bible against it. Also, Jesus never said the Bible was the word of God, neither does the bible. So the bible can be wrong whether people want to admit it or not, nobody said that the bible was the word of God, and it has been translated and translations aren't always right so you can't use the bible in this type of argument.
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:24 pm
LearningtoBreath63 Jakal Saba Naor OutkasTeen ya, but they don't kill grown babies, the don't kill at all, they stop the life, killing would mean the baby was already born, but thats not what happens, and stopping isn't murder, and god says nothing in the bible on the issue. also, just because your pro-choice doesn't mean your not pro-life, its just means that you think it should be a right whether you would have it done or not. If God knows us before we are born we are alive to Him. And He is all that matters. He knows us before we are born, that could mean spirit, not fetus. A fetus isn't a living thing, well at least it hasn't been proven, and considering the bible doesn't talk about abortion nor mentions it's existence, it can choose no side. God never said getting an abortion is a sin, so you can't use the bible against it. Also, Jesus never said the Bible was the word of God, neither does the bible. So the bible can be wrong whether people want to admit it or not, nobody said that the bible was the word of God, and it has been translated and translations aren't always right so you can't use the bible in this type of argument. Well, by what you say, then you can't really trust Jesus. Seeing how he is in the Bible.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:10 pm
LearningtoBreath63 Jakal Saba Naor OutkasTeen ya, but they don't kill grown babies, the don't kill at all, they stop the life, killing would mean the baby was already born, but thats not what happens, and stopping isn't murder, and god says nothing in the bible on the issue. also, just because your pro-choice doesn't mean your not pro-life, its just means that you think it should be a right whether you would have it done or not. If God knows us before we are born we are alive to Him. And He is all that matters. He knows us before we are born, that could mean spirit, not fetus. A fetus isn't a living thing, well at least it hasn't been proven, and considering the bible doesn't talk about abortion nor mentions it's existence, it can choose no side. God never said getting an abortion is a sin, so you can't use the bible against it. Also, Jesus never said the Bible was the word of God, neither does the bible. So the bible can be wrong whether people want to admit it or not, nobody said that the bible was the word of God, and it has been translated and translations aren't always right so you can't use the bible in this type of argument. I'm personally against abortions. As for your statement on the bible not being the word of God I suggest you read it again. That or talk with a clergyman of somekind. What your saying then sounds like we shouldn't believe in what the bible says. If the bible is not Gods word written down by those He inspired to write it then what is it? If the bible is wrong how can we believe what it says Jesus did for us by dieing on the cross? How can we then believe he's coming back for us as stated in the book of Revelation & others? This kind of talk & view may be your own personnel opinion yet it's the kind of talk that leads others away from being with God. That & it is just one more thing for non christians to use against christians to state the bible is false. I believe in what the bible says. Guess that must make me a bad christian then huh?
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:27 pm
If God knows something before he is born means he wanted us to live. I'm not going to agrue that. I believe God has a plan for everybody and the unborn, which is why he knows them. And I don't believe in getting abortions unless like extreme cases, but I do believe in the right to choose to have an abortion or not.
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:42 pm
SaraRenee If God knows something before he is born means he wanted us to live. I'm not going to agrue that. I believe God has a plan for everybody and the unborn, which is why he knows them. And I don't believe in getting abortions unless like extreme cases, but I do believe in the right to choose to have an abortion or not. Okay, now I know what your saying. Sorry. sweatdrop Well yeah, I mean you can't really force someone, but (and I know that since I am a guy I can say this a little lightly) the only case that I can think of that would need an abortion is if both the mother and baby were for certain going to die. In that case it is unavoidable. Even so, I think that even in that case it shouldn't come about except after much praying, and maybe fasting.
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