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I like the Hikaro's bloodline idea so not everyone knows not look an Uchiha in the eye.

Also while I'm fine with a relatively simple stat system, I really think it should be used more as a guideline for your character's capabilities rather than a battle of numbers.

I think we should create our own original map. We're already going for an entirely original concept and like Hikaro said we could just draw the area around our settlement and add to the map as necessary.

I'm down with the idea of a Beta World, just so we everyone can RP a little in a concentrated area and we can start our character design process.

Village name: Why not something that relates to the concept of the settlement itself. I personally would like to step away from the -gakure formula when it comes to names.

Also, I think it would be pretty cool if we could apply the concept behind the Sound Village to this new settlement. The town will have an unassuming name led by a council. Secretly, the village would house a threatening ninja population hidden from the general eye. The Council could be a mixture of ninja and informed civilians alike. I dunno, I'm really just spit-balling and yearning for the secretive feel the Sound Village had when it was open.

TT^TT But stat systems are something I can do... [And it really isn't number cruching, just number smushing when you level/create, then you can coast.]

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I think that a map would be awesome, but for right now it is a tad pointless since we're just having one village with a couple of outlying villages.

And if we're going to have a beta village, I say we do a beta Island. It's an island with limited resources, and limited enemies. That waywe actually have a time limit-ish set up. Once we've achieved what we want from that, then we could actually have the village we'll actually play ready, work out the bugs in the resource system, and have an idea of how the council will work. That being said, I'm kinda against it if we don't have to set up profiles or anything. I mean we could just roll the characters over when the beta is over. What if they died during the beta period? They wake up after having a horrible nightmare, or having the best dream ever based on their personal beliefs.

the stats would mostly be guidelines for looking at how you match up with someone else rather than at X level you can lift Y pounds or go Z mph

Beta village: I was just talking about a test thread. It would essentially just be free RP with no systems at all to help develop characters and give people something to do while waiting. I dont think doing a beta village would be a good idea, since any of that can be ironed out normally.

Names: we could go even more plain just call it Hajime (beginning).
Stats: I have already discussed those things, I'll try reposting my proposal (in detail) in a crew thread so you can add your thoughts on the thing itself. You are right that we dont need it to start RP.

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In fact: I believe all we really need to do before RP starts is:
-Sort through our technologies, and make a proper tech list, with basic information regarding our tech level. Anything we leave out, including customs, would have to be reapplied for.
-Decide on a village name and location.

-Decide on Guild name


Things should be looked into soon, but are not necessary to start:

Technologies can be tackled in it's own thread. We could make this open as well, so anyone can offer input, but I imagine it would be pretty straightforward. We may want to sort through people's customs and see if there is anything salvageable. For the most part I don't think this would take long at all since out universal tech is not really exceeding the tech level we decided on. Due to the nature of the new guild I don't think anyone should start out with any gear. Perhaps let them get one or two main weapons, but otherwise it has to be gathered in RP.

Guild Name:
POTS: The Beginning
POTS first steps (I think this was already suggested)
Rebirth of the Shinobi (RotS)
POTS Rebirth (as Reboot is not really age appropriate and sounds cheesier)
Beginning of the Shinobi (BotS)
First of the Shinobi (FotS)

Most stuff seems to be slowly agreed upon, so I'll only be touching on a few things here.

Stats: I'm fine with looking into it for the future.

Village Name: I'd like to stray from the -gakure suffix as far as this beginning village goes, and perhaps introduce it later once other villages start to open up. While the majority of them were impossible to hide because of size, they were all more or less difficult to get to in the first place due mainly to terrain. You can't tell me finding Sunagakure without a map to guide you wouldn't be a pain, much less prove that to an extent it's pretty well hidden for its size. Hinote's name suggestion sounds fine to me.

Guild Name: Rebirth is a good one, same for FotS. We'll probably end up having to do a quick poll on this if we can't decide fast enough.

Technology/Scrolls: While we should limit it as well as how much people have at the beginning, we shouldn't outright force them to start with nothing. If a council up and left trying to start their own village with an official shinobi registration system, you'd have to assume they were smart enough to begin this endeavor with some sort of stock of supplies, no matter how meager. Otherwise that's just asking for everything to go awry from off the bat. Varying the prices for items is an interesting idea, but not necessary off the bat. Still, having the safety of things not being introduced because they haven't appeared in rp is rather convenient.

Backpacks, Holsters, and Pouches: We can revisit this in a bit. Honestly, the infinite bag of holding scenario won't even be a thing based on how little the village will have to start out with.

Village I.D.'s: I still want them to exist, but it is agreed that in a time when an actual shinobi system isn't in place yet, a headband becomes a huge mark on your head. As for what the symbol could be? I would honestly just go with the kanji for genesis.

World Map: Not necessary right off the bat, but if someone here were willing to create one as we went along that would be pretty neat. First and foremost, we have to get an actual idea of the landscape.

Terrain: We could always put up a poll for this. List all the ones mentioned that seemed to have interested people, their merits, and get that out of the way. I'm personally fond of a bamboo forest.

Profile Adjustments: It would seriously take one person to make the necessary adjustments. Since you updated the profiles before Hinote, you might be more fit to see what it is we'll need of the bat and what we won't need until later.

Political Situation: This will sort itself once background has been set, so I'm not too worried about it.

Available Tech & Jutsu: Tech will be easy enough. As for jutsu, we could always cap the rank of jutsu available within the village, and then scatter higher ranked ones throughout the world. Would give rise to missions, and heck we could have a few here in there for sale in shops for an absurd price. What this would cause interestingly enough, is people to more or less end up with signature jutsu. That is to say, perhaps a person may choose to keep a scroll in secret instead of share it with the village and make it universally known.

Kaeru Majo Jeviathan: Welcome to PotS. Obviously don't expect the name to be the same, but welcome all the same. Having new members here to toss around ideas actually gives us some fresh perspective, so feel free to say anything about anything if you've got ideas. As for your experience with maps, that may come in handy once we figure out terrain and such. It would be neat to have a resident map maker so-to-speak. Would you mind PM'ing me an example or two of your work for curiosity's sake?

Village Name: Okay, no overused suffix.

Now, a warning, incoming random and completely useless paragraph(s) that I felt obliged to include even if they're filled with logic holes. Don't feel obligated to read it xd .


Guild Name: I like FoTS. Although, PoTS: FoTS seems a bit weird to say but that's just nit-picking xd . My vote is for FoTS 3nodding .

Limited Resources: I foresee that having a Mokuton user is going to be a godsend in this system xd .

Maps: I'll let everyone else go ham on this. Said my part and don't have anything else to say yet sweatdrop .

Village Location: For the poll maker, the ideas that have been supported/suggested by multiple people are bamboo forest, ridge of a mountain, and regular forest.

Village IDs: We could go with a certain color worn on a certain part of our body. It won't be a full-proof identifier, admittedly, but it could help keep amateurs from successfully infiltrating us. Brands/tattoos are an option; though their permanence might not make them well-liked by everyone. A very small object, something no larger than a bracelet charm may be discreet enough but it's a bit of a risk. We could also go with a wooden pass or maybe a stamp, something that can be hidden in a bag/pocket. The problem with all of these ideas, though, is that they're not meant for on-the-spot identification. It's more meant to verify that the other person is a ninja.

If our village isn't too big, we could also allow everyone to have individual styles of identifiers that's recorded in some sort of book or something available only to the shinobi of the village. They'll be impossible to track any sort of pattern in and can be safely used for on-the-spot identification but it'd probably need to be ditched once we have more than 10 people or so sweatdrop .

The only thing that probably won't be noticed by most people but doesn't need to hidden (that I can think of) is metal imbued with a special chakra that chakra sensors can identify. Of course, this heavily restricts who is capable of verifying the identifiers.

Stats don't necessarily tell you exactly what you can lift or run at, it's up to the crew themselves to still give the final verdict on what the level can and can't do. The d20 stat system just gives a lot more of a variance to allow for greater customization.

Ah, I misunderstood what you meant by beta thread. sweatdrop

I like your forum layout Hinote, and I really like the idea of the Mind Realms thread.

I'm thinking if we do the mountain/ forest, I think it should be behind a screen of mountain with forest closing us in. Then it would be difficult to reach us on either side, because you'd have to either cross mountains, or try to make it through a forest that we'd probably have traps set up going all through the forest.

Yamahana no Sato is my vote. It basically means Village of Mountain Flowers. It's fairly unsuspecting of a name, so it wouldn't draw too much attention besides the fact it is insanely difficult to reach the village.

I don't see why the council would have gathered anything more than what they needed. They came together to set the place up, and everyone else gathered because they more than likely heard rumors. I think that the only equipment we really need to start with is a weapon, and maybe a backpack since you're just moving into town, or if you're already there, maybe a weapon and some survival items since you've more than likely already settled in. Or the Economic guy might have a couple of connections.

As for a village I.D. we could always have a flower be the symbol. It's inconspicuous, and every daimyo and their mother will be using that as one of their many symbols. So if we get seen, which we really shouldn't, then we'd be misunderstood as a daimyo's servants. Heck, some of us will probably use that to our advantage.

For a Political situation, would there even be one at the beginning? So some of the guys who were killing, plundering, and looting places moved, isn't that a good thing? People directly affected by them might notice something, or could use that boiling hatred to think they went and actually died in a hole. Maybe like one Daimyo gets paranoid and starts trying to at least look for bodies, but it wouldn't be anything all that big, at least until a diamyo ends up dead or after a couple villages get plundered.

D20 stats only work in a guild entirely based around them. For that to work our systems would need the entire array of D20 RP style, meaning a dice is rolled for everything. You can't even properly randomize with them like rolling a character in a dice game, because dice games allow you to take any number rolled for that stat, while we would have a limited number. We certainly don't need the sheer number of varied stats a dice system has available. One very basic set is plenty for our purposes. If we want secondary stats later, maybe we cn have a secondary system.

Anyways, enough about stats. For now, we need to stick to the purpose of this thread, and that is to get the guild going again. Anything else is a worry for after that goal is met.


(Quoted due to being said in a different post.)

Location: Keep in mind guys that we're designing a country, not just a single thread or subforum. All of your suggestions work for a single sub, but any one of them spread over an entire country would be quite boring. Personally I think we could use all of the suggestions to build our starter country. The first sub could be a small mountain ridge surrounding a big ol' bamboo forest. Next a nice lush regular forest, speckle in some of the other ideas like mountains here and there, and we have a basic idea of what our terrain is.

Political: As Luo said most of this will put itself together as we work other things out, but it is still worth looking at in various areas. Such as, we know so far that the daimyo doesn't like us. We're a group of ninja trying to start an upstart village without his permission. But, how does he feel about the other ninja in the world? How do they feel about him? Is he fighting with other daimyo in other countries, or allied with them to where he might even call them in to help attack us? Is he a she? And that's just the daimyo. Other considerations are how we relate to other ninja outside the village, our relations with civilian villages nearby, even bandits. And lastly, internal politics. Everyone seems to want some internal conflict. Though most of that could be achieved just by chatting about our characters in another thread.

Timmy, I'm not sure where you're getting your theory of people vanishing, or, in fact, them "Killing plundering and looting places". For one, we're ninja, not bandits. For two, the group is meant to have already been established for some time, and are just settling down to start a village at the start of the RP. Yes, some others would wander in from other areas to join us, that's probably going to be the most popular "New member" story for some time, but it's not like we all randomly walked out of our lives as local troublemakers and formed a village.

Jutsu: It just doesn't feel right to me to start out with all the jutsu available within the village. In most cases the work of hunting down the jutsu in the world should make up for not having to pay for it. We could even split the most powerful jutsu into fragments that have to be reassembled, found on multiple missions. With two or three autoranks at the start, we'll have plenty of people who know the basics to teach most anything the genin need or want to know, and we can arrange missions to get the rest and build our library manually. It gives an interesting depth just to that system alone. If learning the jutsu free for performing the mission seems too easy, we can always shift facts around. Perhaps the scroll is coded and has to be translated, maybe it's just very very old, or sealed closed, or some such thing to where it has to be delivered to the library unused. I can easily agree to having scrolls for the basics at the start, but I think we should refrain from having EVERYTHING available to allow for interesting hunting missions. Crew can hide scrolls in random places or on random missions and players get a bonus for bringing them in.

ID/Symbol: Something I've been considering for when the village is fully established. A seal array could be made to completely hide the village so that nobody outside could even see it, or enter it. The IDs could then be redesigned to act as a counter-seal, so that people carrying one could pass through the barrier, along with anyone with them. It makes the village truly a hidden village, and also gives a fun little side purpose to the insignia.

I don't want to use kanji, for a small variety of reasons. Mainly though because Kanji aren't full words, as far as I know, but Syllables. Finding a word that works with a single kanji could be nigh on impossible. The symbol should be something easily recognizable by those who know it, but just as easily passed over by those who don't, at least until the enemy starts capturing tons of ninja all mysteriously carrying the same symbol. It could be something as simple as using the canon "Chakra wisp" symbol, though that seems to be the Hyuuga symbol, or coming up with our own, or just finding a neat tattoo design we like.

Customs: Agreed. Customs should either be self-made, in the case of ones that can be, or commissioned from a crafter who can. Autoranks and transfers should be able to start with some customs though, assuming they pay for them. That can just be pointed out during judgement though. Simply telling the player they have to acquire the custom in game should be enough.

Summons: Agreed. While I don't expect we'll ever drop them entirely, the system needs a lot of work before it should be used. Plus, it adds more interesting points to the whole setting if people have to hunt down the summoning realms rather than some characters starting with them.

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Side note: Since the RP has ceased, how do we feel about pushing ahead on layout for now, so we can have the added benefit of being able to use some of the new subs to chat about various topics, and work on our characters?


Feel free, everyone, to suggest additions or alterations to any sub. Hikaro has already pointed out some, such as merging bloodlines with demons. If you can think of any sub we might want that we don't have, it's better to think of it now than too late.