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 Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:12 pm
3 Nephi 11:29
"For verily, verily I say unto you, he that hath the spirit of contention is not of me, but is of the devil, who is the father of all contention, and he stirreth up the hearts of men to contend with anger, one with another."
I just decided I should throw that out there.
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Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:43 pm
phoenix_echo Krytyr phoenix_echo jon_wass The_Opera_Ghost ive been looking into religions lately and i was wondering what ya'll thought of this. In some video games you can take a second profession, well in real life is it okay to have a second religion, mormonism will always be first for me, but is it okay to be both mormon and (insert religion here)? i would never pick one that goes against mormonism but still do ya'll think that would be okay? im even starting to get my life in order so that i can use my priesthood to do the things that other metaphysical studying and practicing people can do, but with the authority and approval of god. hey, ghostieo, remember back in a little book called exodus? "thou shalt have no other gods before me." God has told us that this is his one true church, picking another on the side would be like ordering a happy meal when you alreasdy have thanksgiving dinner berfore you. plus, god siad that no man can have two masters, "no man can serve both god and mammon." It's not a wise choice, and i think it's against the beliefs of the church. Don't think, know, and yes, it is against the teachings of the Church which is why at least 20 other people are here persuading him not to do what he's doing, but there's this little thing called FREE AGENCY, key? I don't think Jon or any of us are trying to take OG's free agency away. when you think about it we can't, not only because it would be the wrong thing to do, but we're online. it's not like we could physically tie the guy down and make him choose the right. in the end it's his choice, sometimes when people are concerned they come off a little strong. And who's to say I'm not? It's my brother in this predicament. My apologies for being a tad liberal about this. However, I've already stated my point, and I'm not going to repeat myself. Also, if I seem to be coming off as crude, then once you spend over a year in the same thread as Darkslider, you'll understand. Thank you have a nice day. I'm not accusing you or anyone else of anything, there's no need to be defensive. However, I would caution you to be careful on who you title as 'not understanding'. Many people go through something like this; I did when I was a teenager, which wasn't all that long ago. I made my decision and I'm happy with the one that I made. I am not reprimanding you or anything, so please don't take it that way. I guess I'm just trying to be a peace maker and that is very difficult to do online considering that you can't hear the soft tone of voice I would use in real life with what I said before and what I'm saying now. I'm only trying to help.
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Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:15 am
OG,
Yes, we do believe every church has a bit of truth, I won't deny that. However, we also believe we have the WHOLE truth, and your description of all the religions living together in peace...I don't see it happening until the millenium, when all people will live in peace. It's a good goal, but a wee bit unrealistic.
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Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:03 pm
one thing ive thought about lately is that i might simply understand my thoughts better and i cant really relay them to yall in words, i understand what i am learning and i connect it and think of a positive way i can use it to better my life and others lives, maybe ya'll just dont understand that or dont understand my train of thought, dont worry about me i am wholly converted to the gospel of christ, aka mormonism, and i simply do this for my own betterment.
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Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:12 am
Whatever the case, this is the last time I'm going to post in this thread, just because I hate reading all the posts people are leaving that are defensive and hurtful to each other. Its nice to have somewhere that we can all discuss things together, but there's a line that shouldn't be crossed. But, I wish you luck in what you decide to do OG, and know I'm still around, I just can't come back here and read all this. It really frustates me the way people act online.
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:49 pm
Sun Rei Whatever the case, this is the last time I'm going to post in this thread, just because I hate reading all the posts people are leaving that are defensive and hurtful to each other. Its nice to have somewhere that we can all discuss things together, but there's a line that shouldn't be crossed. But, I wish you luck in what you decide to do OG, and know I'm still around, I just can't come back here and read all this. It really frustates me the way people act online. *hugs* im sorry i brought contention among such good people. i simply am looking for a way to better myself and control myself while still using the methods prescribed by the church.
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Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:42 am
Quote: No man can bserve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love heart the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and Mammon.(Matt. 6: 24) However, you can be enlightened and learn from other's beliefs with out mocking God by choosing a less complete truth instead of a more. mrgreen
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:04 pm
phoenix_echo Krytyr phoenix_echo jon_wass The_Opera_Ghost ive been looking into religions lately and i was wondering what ya'll thought of this. In some video games you can take a second profession, well in real life is it okay to have a second religion, mormonism will always be first for me, but is it okay to be both mormon and (insert religion here)? i would never pick one that goes against mormonism but still do ya'll think that would be okay? im even starting to get my life in order so that i can use my priesthood to do the things that other metaphysical studying and practicing people can do, but with the authority and approval of god. hey, ghostieo, remember back in a little book called exodus? "thou shalt have no other gods before me." God has told us that this is his one true church, picking another on the side would be like ordering a happy meal when you alreasdy have thanksgiving dinner berfore you. plus, god siad that no man can have two masters, "no man can serve both god and mammon." It's not a wise choice, and i think it's against the beliefs of the church. Don't think, know, and yes, it is against the teachings of the Church which is why at least 20 other people are here persuading him not to do what he's doing, but there's this little thing called FREE AGENCY, key? I don't think Jon or any of us are trying to take OG's free agency away. when you think about it we can't, not only because it would be the wrong thing to do, but we're online. it's not like we could physically tie the guy down and make him choose the right. in the end it's his choice, sometimes when people are concerned they come off a little strong. And who's to say I'm not? It's my brother in this predicament. My apologies for being a tad liberal about this. However, I've already stated my point, and I'm not going to repeat myself. Also, if I seem to be coming off as crude, then once you spend over a year in the same thread as Darkslider, you'll understand. Thank you have a nice day. XDDD I understand what you mean about Darkslider.
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:12 am
Kipluck Quote: No man can bserve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love heart the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and Mammon.(Matt. 6: 24) However, you can be enlightened and learn from other's beliefs with out mocking God by choosing a less complete truth instead of a more. mrgreen WHO EVER SAID I WAS GOING TO SERVE ANYONE BUT GOD, ELOHIM, YAHVEH, YHVH, HOW EVER YOU WANNA CALL HIM!!!!!! i am choosing a less complete truth, yes i admit that, but i am conjoining it to the complete truth, this incomplete truth teaches you excercises to control yourself, that i am using to do just that, while still following and serving my heavenly father's set path.
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Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 11:38 am
i wouldn't join two.. stick with one. as was said using your priesthood for another church and reasons not good. makes you unworthy. so please reconsider your decision. this is the only true church and the only way you're going to help the others while not endangering yourself is to be a missionary and help convert people.
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 6:49 am
Syncretism. That was my "word of the day" from m-w.com
It just reminded me of this *shrug*
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Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 6:38 pm
Hey O-G, I just read all the way through all of this thread, and I don't know a whole lot about the methods you're talking about, but maybe I can interject here.
It's okay to take the advice of wise men. Thomas Jefferson said a lot of noteworthy and uplifting things, as have a lot of other people quite obviously not of our faith. However, to take this advice too seriously and consider it a part of your religion is another thing altogether.
For example, I meditate daily to collect my thoughts and control a heart condition. This is both healthful and contrived from the teachings of those who would use this practice for other purposes.
I believe that if this book that you have read is explaining ways to keep your mind on the wholesome and the kind through your own choice, and giving you excercises to build better self-control, go ahead and do the excercises, but be wary of what the deeper meaning may be.
It seems to me that you are quite set on doing this and were only asking for opinion, and no matter what we say you will defend your current course of action and that is why you have agency.
I wish you love in your life, and wisdom in your decisions.
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 3:01 pm
Fire_of_Fate Hey O-G, I just read all the way through all of this thread, and I don't know a whole lot about the methods you're talking about, but maybe I can interject here. It's okay to take the advice of wise men. Thomas Jefferson said a lot of noteworthy and uplifting things, as have a lot of other people quite obviously not of our faith. However, to take this advice too seriously and consider it a part of your religion is another thing altogether. For example, I meditate daily to collect my thoughts and control a heart condition. This is both healthful and contrived from the teachings of those who would use this practice for other purposes. I believe that if this book that you have read is explaining ways to keep your mind on the wholesome and the kind through your own choice, and giving you excercises to build better self-control, go ahead and do the excercises, but be wary of what the deeper meaning may be. It seems to me that you are quite set on doing this and were only asking for opinion, and no matter what we say you will defend your current course of action and that is why you have agency. I wish you love in your life, and wisdom in your decisions. thank you very much. This branch of the occult was specifically made to be fitted to any religion, but none at all at the same time, funny thing is that it sincs up perfectly, mostly, with mormonism.
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 2:27 pm
Don't know how old this post is... but here's a thought.
If this hermitage religion doesn't need the holy ghost, or doesn't need anything that our church beleive in, like heaven or hell or anything like that, I don't so why you need it.
Here's a thought, study it, but don't join it. Observe, but do not leave behind what you've learned.
There is another thing too,
Perhaps, if there's an aspect of this religon that will benefit you as a mormon, why don't you just stay pure mormon and do the practices that are not against the rules instead?
Remember, these rules are clear. Worshipping or anything of the likes to another god or anything else is against the rules, this counts for idols and the lot as well.
One more thing.
Being a hermit is kinda rough dude...
You have to seperate yourself from everything else, and that means EVERYTHING. The church plays a big part in everyone's life. And what happens when you have to cut everything off? The church is apart of that "everything" Unless you can get somebody to come to your hidden cave out in the woods to give you sacrement or to do priesthood things, then I don't know how it would work out.
Maybe I'm wrong, I'm not quite sure what the thing you speak of is, but I know this.
No sect or religon can replace The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-Day Saints.
None at all.
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Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 2:34 pm
rorle2000 Don't know how old this post is... but here's a thought. If this hermitage religion doesn't need the holy ghost, or doesn't need anything that our church beleive in, like heaven or hell or anything like that, I don't so why you need it. Here's a thought, study it, but don't join it. Observe, but do not leave behind what you've learned. There is another thing too, Perhaps, if there's an aspect of this religon that will benefit you as a mormon, why don't you just stay pure mormon and do the practices that are not against the rules instead? Remember, these rules are clear. Worshipping or anything of the likes to another god or anything else is against the rules, this counts for idols and the lot as well. One more thing. Being a hermit is kinda rough dude... You have to seperate yourself from everything else, and that means EVERYTHING. The church plays a big part in everyone's life. And what happens when you have to cut everything off? The church is apart of that "everything" Unless you can get somebody to come to your hidden cave out in the woods to give you sacrement or to do priesthood things, then I don't know how it would work out. Maybe I'm wrong, I'm not quite sure what the thing you speak of is, but I know this. No sect or religon can replace The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-Day Saints. None at all. well.... first of all hermeticism doesnt have anything to do with being a hermit. and like i said most, very few dont, of the teachings sinc up perfectly with mormonism, there actually is something about the holy spirit mentioned in hermeticism but it isnt called by that name.
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