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 Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:02 pm
If a villages HAS to be shut down it shouldn't be Oto. It is by far the most unique village that has been put together. It is also coming along slowly Hintoe is training a few of us and there is a fun mission in the making. I think Oto should stand it seems like it will become unique part of pots if it is left to grow.
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:06 pm
.........Did we HAVE to have a giant, possibly guild-changing issue come up while I'm on vacation? Darn it guys, this is the third time!
And I'm sorry to be the downer on this issue, but I don't like the idea of a separate guild for every village, as far as village tactics goes, but that might be because I do not completely understand it. Are you saying that a village would discuss how they would attack someone or something, and then perform the action within POTS? No, that's using hidden motives for RP actions, and it is just as illegal as metagaming.
If you want more people in POTS, then theres plenty of things you can do: Get a POTS banner, recruit people through PM or passing conversation, go all out and be awesome like BB and make a POTS Youtube video, and more.
Hikaro, I WISH that I could be seen less, so that people don't automatically conjure up an image of me when they thing "crew." But if fights are breaking out and Hinote and I are the ones who can stop them, we will.
As for inactivity, I would love it if we had a guild full of active autoranks and active genin (And I'm on vacation, so the fact that I'm answering at all says a lot about how much I care about activity in POTS). But short of doing a guild purge, and finding out who is active by who tries to rejoin, there is little to nothing that can be done to ensure complete activity. When one person goes inactive, it affects the entirety of RP, and that sucks. But I stand by the fact that real life must come before gaia, so if real life comes up, its ok to go inactive.
As for any points I missed, I'll be checking this thread regularly. If you have a point you really want me to answer, feel free to PM it to me, but while I can guarantee an answer, I cannot guarantee it will be a speedy one.
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:06 pm
-o-Havik-o- If a villages HAS to be shut down it shouldn't be Oto. It is by far the most unique village that has been put together. It is also coming along slowly Hintoe is training a few of us and there is a fun mission in the making. I think Oto should stand it seems like it will become unique part of pots if it is left to grow. Oto is the newest village. Others will get seniority. Oto is also the village with the most second RPC's.
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:12 pm
Neither of those should matter. Why not just send the Ninja pm's if the active members wish to stay in the village then let them if not then it be sacked.
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:16 pm
Okay I'm back. And I can tell that this is going to end up becoming a big dispute, thats why I said Lance Greg Luo and I would discuss Oto's fate. Also although this isn't exactly a private matter, I think that this is something that should be PM'd. Havik and Shay, you two have a history of going at it, so before this becomes bad I want you both to stop talking about the Oto topic here and if you have anything you want to say about it to PM me directly.
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:21 pm
That last bit about Pming was the only Idea I have to settling the discussion. The reason I think it is a good Idea is because crew having to much "power" seems to be something that keeps being brought up. Pming the Oto nin seems a good way to decide the fate of a village while keeping the members wished in the equation.
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:22 pm
iMistah-kun I see what you mean and I have to say that I agree with you. Thats why I hope I will be able to spread responsibility of activity amongst other members who are able to be a bit more active than Kages. You were kind of put in a bad situation because of me sweatdrop though with everything that is going to be going on soon I think you will end up with having a lot more to do. I honestly think the reason people keep getting into arguments is because they have nothing else to do. How does everyone feel about rankings and training? I personally don't see how it could be of much fun to either side ( the teacher or the student ). I think that a lot of times the autoranks put aside training since most of them find it tedious...which is kinda of not good for us since that kind of what comes with the promotion. ------------------------------ To Shay, Thank you for voicing your opinion. I understand what you are saying and you're right, there is only so much that I can do as one person. Although we won't just demote everyone in crew as most of them do mean well, we will try to work with the crew members and make sure that they govern the guild appropriately. I am going to now enforce a new rule. "Private matters are to be private messaged." After reading your post I've come to a conclusion, many times when fights broke out, it was due to it being in a public forum. In other words, I'm saying that the issue would have been resolved much more quickly and with less hostility if they were dealt with through PM. From this point on, if I, or anyone else in the crew sees a message that should have been addressed through PM rather than a public chat then we will delete it and tell the poster to send the message in a PM. This will cut down on people choosing sides or feeling like people are ganging up on them. How does that sound for a resolution? I understand that it won't fix everything but it will damn sure be a start. Im sorry but i think that what you have labeled as a privet matter is not so. yes sometimes there are feuds between rpers that can be handled in privet but thats not what she is talking about. we DONT need to take this matter to pms because in my opinion that just seems like we are just trying to hide the matter. Not to mention if its an argument with someone in crew they are placed in a position that they can say or do whatever they want without fear of reprisal. even if the member comes forward to speak out to other members it becomes a he said she said argument. then once again the crew also gets to determine what is allowed to be posted and what needs to be taken to pms... while that may not seem too bad of an issue let me just give an example of how that can be bad: lets say that a member like me posts something that i feel should be addressed in public so that others can understand my points and opinions. this issue show negligence and abuse of power by a crew member. but that crew member, (lets say you just for example) who doesnt like whats being said though it may be true and tells the person to move it to pm and deletes the post... see how it can be abused? Crew needs to be more transparent in its dealings of members. When LT got in trouble and was mentioned in the crew forum. as he was no longer a part of crew at that time he could only see that he was quoted and was not able to see what was said about him. thats wrong in my opinion the crew should be a little more transparent and handle things in the open when it comes to punishment. also i have seen and heard of crew using their power to delete arguments against them and it sickens me. Inactivity- it is something that every guild struggles with and it really starts to happen closer and closer to the time of final exams. Then there is the issue that people have lives aside from gaia that dont always permit them to be next to a computer. while some people complain about not being able to post because of a kage look at mist! we have a kages that due to personal reasons really cant get on as much as he wants yet our rping always finds a way to go on. maybe the guild should look at the more successful villages to see what they are doing right and build from there. i do like the idea of taking pressure off the kage though. crew- we have way more crew then we need. most of the crew work that i have seen is done by four people so whats the point of having the others. then there is the issue that crew has become overpowered and known to abuse their position as crew. overall if i had to point a finger for inactivity and bad rep i would not look at the villages or people rping. i would point it just at a few select annoying stuck up people who can be quite hurtful in their attempts to do things how they see fit with a disregard for the average members who make this guild possible. (on and just a hint at what im talking about... when we first made this guild we didnt have this problems)
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:28 pm
Gregar828 Hikaro, I WISH that I could be seen less, so that people don't automatically conjure up an image of me when they thing "crew." But if fights are breaking out and Hinote and I are the ones who can stop them, we will. No,no no. I'm not complaining about seeing you two, i'm complaining that you two are the only ones we see. basically you guys are doing everyone elses jobs. Basically i'm saying the same thing i did in your similar thread a little while ago. You shouldn't need to "carry the team" so to speak. Gregar828 As for inactivity, I would love it if we had a guild full of active autoranks and active genin (And I'm on vacation, so the fact that I'm answering at all says a lot about how much I care about activity in POTS). But short of doing a guild purge, and finding out who is active by who tries to rejoin, there is little to nothing that can be done to ensure complete activity. When one person goes inactive, it affects the entirety of RP, and that sucks. But I stand by the fact that real life must come before gaia, so if real life comes up, its ok to go inactive. Real life is of course more important. still activity counts for something. If you go away for a year and then return you shouldn't be able to jump right back into an ranked ninja's shoes. Not if you were an autorank, and were later replaced by another Autorank. It simply doesn't make sense for one village to end up with multiple autoranked sannin when other villages don't even have one. Admittedly, I'm having trouble seeing any real importance with extra guilds. It seems like all of that could take place in village OOC. I'm not sure there is a strong danger of other villages doing anything with that information, since to do so would be metagaming. I still don't know that it would be as big an issue as Gregar thinks, but I don't think 2nd rpcs would be much of a problem. Again, people with 2nd rpcs should be watched closer. If you did the guild thing, all you would need to do would be to make sure no cases of metagaming, or even sharing village "secrets" occur. Either way, POTs crew members other than the Kage would need to watch all of those guilds, to avoid rulebreaking. This means the crew will have a lot more work to take care of... Thinking about it, I'm not sure it would be fair to outright shut down a village unless it becomes 100 % inactive. Perhaps it would be possible to make special offers to "dying" villages, with few active members to transfer rpcs to other villages and close the village that way. Otherwise people are going to get very mad. Otogakure was indeed opened early, but people are in it, and happy there. It wo
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:29 pm
I haven't seen you around Listen, so you must be new. This thread was crafted to make PotS better. In here, we'll stay serious. If you want to have a conversation, and be as wily as you like, head to the chatroom, its like a click away.
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 2:31 pm
And don't worry Greg I didn't forget to respond to you, I just wanted to make sure I got that post posted quickly.
The separate guilds for each village is for a variety of things, though as far as war tactics go that doesn't change much since anything done in the RP would have to be somewhat explainable. Though to be honest that doesn't change much from what the current situation is now as I can PM someone and come up with some kind of plan, but if it isn't explainable or plausible during RP it can't be done.
The main reason for the separate guilds is so that Kages and their members can discuss privately certain issues in their village and work together to improve it. They can get each other on the same page and work creatively to enhance the village experience as well as get to know each other better. They would be able to speak openly about village politics and alliances as well as enemies. They would be able to do everything that they could do through PMs but on a much larger scale as it would involve everyone in the village.
Lets say for example we had a POTS: Village Hidden in Mist Guild.
Luo would be captain and he would be able to OoC to every member of Mist openly. Together you can all speak about activity, how to make mist better, what Mist is lacking, what is making Mist strong, what customs would help out Mist, collaborating on creating a new taijutsu style, etc. I think it would push for more activity and village devotion.
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