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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:09 pm
Jinton for Iwa, hmnn...? Interesting. But...it isn't really the ability to turn things into dust. From what we saw of the Tsuchikage's ability, it seems to be more along the lines of smashing the target into dust. Freak strength probably is one thing...though the dice that the Tsuchikage used is quite curious, as well...
People thinks it's elemental creation. Personally, I'm at a loss of what elements could make up that... Well. Why not make it the ability to break down the molecular bindings of the body's compounds? That could give one explanation as to why the target is "dustified". Though I suggest leaving it not as elemental creation for now, and save us the headache of trying to pick two satisfactory elements.
Perhaps consider it more a category of space-related Ninjutsu. Time/space manipulation is a legitimate Ninjutsu sub-field, after all.
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:28 pm
Well the first sight of Jinton jutsu was when the Tsuchikage used that jutsu. But Jinton is a elemental creation, One guarenteed element is earth and the other is unknown. Jinton style of ninjutsu can be used by either breaking down the molecular bindings of compounds or combine those binding in a shape of a object (like what the Tsuchikage used). But using jutsu of this capacity would require a lot of chakra control and would also take a lot of chakra to use....There are also theories that Jinton ninjutsu is consider forbidden jutsus as it as to be used on the molecular level, which for many ninja would be difficult. The Tsuchikage is very old so his limit on using this level of jutsu is very limited unless of emergencies. That is also another theories.
But from what I researched from theories of Jinton ninjutsu. I found out that it is a elemental creation of Earth and unknown element. This style of jutsu allows someone to either break down or combine dust particals at a molecular level. Also that it require much chakra control to perform these jutsus. And finally, The Tsuchikage is the only one to have been seen using this style of ninjutsu.
As for the elemental creation. There have been many theories on what elements are used in combinations in order to use Jinton. One element for certain is Earth, but for the other element is where people are usually Stumped. People theorized it either Wind or Lightning. But Sand is a combo of earth as well, so it probably uses in a combo of earth and wind so that could level out wind as that.
As for space-related ninjutsu. Im going to have to disagree with that theory. Space/time ninjutsu and Jinton have nothing in common for that!! The idea of that is completely ridiculous.
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:34 pm
*raises eyebrow*
Breaking down bindings isn't called elemental creation, Black. It's compound decomposition. As there's no official databook proof that Jinton is indeed elemental creation...it's likely then it's more similar to Iron Sand. Elsewise theories remain theories, as it breaks every previously witnessed rule of elemental creation. If we are to put it in simpler terms: something isn't made in this case.
Many things define space. Playing on science, the very term of spatial arrangement is QUITE important in determining a resulting compound. I was merely suggesting a best fitting possibility, or do you happen to have any better an idea?
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:49 pm
Iron Sand was created through experimentation and studies of Shikaku. Jinton is elemental creations. And what I was meaning by breaking down was what Tsuchikage used for the jutsu he used. With the Jinton ninjutsu, he combined particles into a cube and then used it to pulverized his target, which was Sasuke, at a molecular level breaking down into dust. That was what I'm meaning when it comes to the term breaking down. But to do something like that would require a s**t load of chakra. So the chances of seeing a Jinton jutsu that does that in WotN is highly unlikely, and I'm not planninig on pushing beyond that. Therefore the only most liekly idea of a jutsu I could think up that would be involved with breaking down compounds is like a body flicker technique. As for the example I provided. That may not be the perfect example, but its the only thing that shows Jinton ninjutsu at work.
I do understand now what you meant by space!! I thought you were referring to space/time jutsu used by the 4th or Madara. There I disagreed with you. Both if you referring to space as particles and atomic wise, then thats a the opposite. There I would agree most likely.
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:39 pm
Iron Sand wasn't created through experimentation. o_O It was inspired by the Shukaku's abilities, however. The Third Kazekage was the only one who could use it because his chakra had a special magnetic quality to begin with. He studied Shukaku and combined his research with what he already had to make Iron Sand. There was nothing on experimentation; Orochimaru was probably the first who went into heavily messing with Kekkai genkais.
The question at hand is how the Tsuchikage manages that: whether it was freak strength, or something else. The cube on its own seemed pretty harmless enough (else-wise the Tsuchikage might potentially have risked having himself affected, thus eliminating the cube itself as disintegration factor), thus the point of attention most probably was when he smashed it down.
If it was freak strength, then, Jinton in the "attack" consideration is not elemental creation but in the making of the object of attack (weird logic, I know) it then -potentially- is. But that would then reduce Jinton on its own similar to Luvmonke's weapon enlargement techniques...and the crushing aspect would then be something separate.
Well. As far as I'm concerned, the important aspect is, the final result of this was molecular destruction. Until then, we are remaining with it is not elemental creation until we see the Tsuchikage use another technique of the same field.
Mnnn. I hope you realize Body Flicker is nowhere close to breaking body compounds. I daresay Kawarimi is the closest without intruding on the Time/Space 4th/Madara field. Normal Shunshin is as it is -> use chakra to enhance speed and any extra effects are pretty much just anti-trailing techniques
And yes. I was saying you'll be better off terming Jinton as spatial rearrangement rather than the presently-fruitless until otherwise argument of it being elemental creation.
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:48 pm
Kouri - a question on Jutsu learning. Does the point system only apply for your rank pre-timeskip, or is it after grading? I know for the requirements it is more flexible, as if you fill the requirements after the upgrades you said it was considered fine too.
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:57 pm
ProtoXtreme Three. If Iwa's alive, Shin's staying... ;D And Konoha's six (including me), so...actually, it isn't that bad. Not good either, but, it's a start. =3 Dammit, we could have like 50 if you'd stop being such a shy little prud with Yokou and let Marcus work his bedroom magic on her dammit! >.> I sware... just cause he use to be a porn star, she freaks out around him. The nerve of some people...
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:05 pm
Black n White_07 Im making it right now...But what Im going to tell you is that its a dust release clan. This dust release clan is able to cast jutsu by manipulate molecules, giving them the ability to turn anything into molecule-sized dust. Its fairly interesting idea so I decided to go with it. But im having a hard time figuring out how to get this clan to meet the criteria of requirements to make it a approved clan (I talking about jutsu wise instead of the description)
O and get on MSN proto!! scream They also do the Levitation Technique... THERE'S MORE CONFUSION FOR YOU. No, it's not flight, because he seemed to not be able to move, just float... So its a technique for SHOW, or it get high above the opponent and use that Dust cube... And if you are going for elemental, I would say that Earth+Wind... Or, it could actually be one of the few clans who can naturally do Nature and Shape Transformation. So it's Earth+Rasengan-like-techniques. Or it's just, Shape Transformation... But Dust Release does seem pretty powerful... That Cube did leave a huge square hole in the wall where Sasuke ONCE was... Dust_Release: Detachment of the Primitive World TechniqueAlso... Iron Sand.
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 7:24 pm
Carlos Ralfer ProtoXtreme Three. If Iwa's alive, Shin's staying... ;D And Konoha's six (including me), so...actually, it isn't that bad. Not good either, but, it's a start. =3 Dammit, we could have like 50 if you'd stop being such a shy little prud with Yokou and let Marcus work his bedroom magic on her dammit! >.> I sware... just cause he use to be a porn star, she freaks out around him. The nerve of some people... ...Yokou doesn't freak out. She just has no idea what's happening. Elruda, on the other hand...
Before THAT ever happens, Elruda will make a special technique over timeskip. Hitting Kage with Size 10 Shoe no Jutsu. (Marcus is about to be reacquainted with her shoe. >_>) Either that, or she'll find some way to poison her new papa... >_<
P.S. Which reminds me. Are Yokou and Marcus still getting married over timeskip? Then I guess we're the new highlight couple of Iwa (if Gig and his wifey isn't coming back).
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:47 pm
At this point I think it is to early to judge Jinton and way to early to use it. If I had to guess I don't think it actually allows the user to turn anything they want into sub atomic particles. The way I see it is that he can create incredibly tiny particles of dust (not at the atomic level) that are pact into a small area creating a very dense object. This object then works in the same way that wrecking ball turns a cement wall into cement dust.
To explain the Tsuchikage's hovering I would either guess that he is stand on a flat plane of these particles or with enough practice one could use the principles of water walking and apply to air molecules allowing for flight/hovering.
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:51 pm
Tairu Khime At this point I think it is to early to judge Jinton and way to early to use it. If I had to guess I don't think it actually allows the user to turn anything they want into sub atomic particles. The way I see it is that he can create incredibly tiny particles of dust (not at the atomic level) that are pact into a small area creating a very dense object. This object then works in the same way that wrecking ball turns a cement wall into cement dust. To explain the Tsuchikage's hovering I would either guess that he is stand on a flat plane of these particles or with enough practice one could use the principles of water walking and apply to air molecules allowing for flight/hovering. Yeah, that's a good way to put it... But it isn't walking, I think he can just manipulate his chakra to make him really light... But his legs looked quite relaxed...
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:21 am
Or they might explain it away the way they do ALL things that defy what we already k nowa bout jutsu and chakra.
It's a kekkie genkai >.> lazy writting I suppose.
But the particle manipulation does make the most sense. If he can gather the particles of dust in the air together to form a solid, dense object like that block, gathering them under his clothes (or of his clothes even) and moving them about with his chakra would, logically, be fairly easy. After all, he's not exactly a large fellow.
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kouri-chan_xx Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:40 am
ProtoXtreme Kouri - a question on Jutsu learning. Does the point system only apply for your rank pre-timeskip, or is it after grading? I know for the requirements it is more flexible, as if you fill the requirements after the upgrades you said it was considered fine too. Take the level from your recalibrated profile.
Also I find myself most partial to Tairu's theory. Mostly cause it reminds me of Shadowcat >.<
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:52 pm
kouri-chan_xx ProtoXtreme Kouri - a question on Jutsu learning. Does the point system only apply for your rank pre-timeskip, or is it after grading? I know for the requirements it is more flexible, as if you fill the requirements after the upgrades you said it was considered fine too. Take the level from your recalibrated profile.
Also I find myself most partial to Tairu's theory. Mostly cause it reminds me of Shadowcat >.< What if you are (like Cheer) refusing recalibration? I received a similar question not long from someone.
May perhaps an option be made to judge by after you receive the timeskip bonuses? I do not imagine training recounts would take up necessarily more than 1/8th of a timeskip story anyways. It could be added in afterwards, if the person wishes to, to better explain the existence of the new additions to the arsenal.
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