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I know, dude. Envoy of the Beginning is totally fair, so is Dark Hole.

It's Delta Attacker that needs to be banned, hard.

Ok, congratulations, you found a hand that will almost never happen. In fact I have a 1 in 3,838,380 chance of that happening. Your little technicalities do not defend your point that FTKs wouldn't rule the game is all those cards were unbanned.

I will win every match if I go first with that deck. Want to try it?

Barbaros: You're still only going to destroy two cards, at most, by the time you have three monsters to bring out. It's still a -1 and you'd have far better control by keeping those three monsters.

Assault Mode: Just because its effect is good doesn't negate the fact that it's hard as ******** to get out and a DD Crow handles the situation. You -2 or 3 yourself to get it out and I -1 myself to stop it. You're still down, I still win.

Needle Worm: Your opponents are bad, and so are you for even considering this thing broken.

Grand Mole: Yes, it has locking capabilities, that's why it's at one. However, there are wonderful amounts of ways AROUND that lock. Summon Fulhelmknight in attack mode. They either summon it and Mole's attack is negated and he's stuck on the field, or they attack with the other monster first and make you negate, then bounce Fulhelm so you have an invincible wall. OR you could Book of Moon, Dimensional Prison, Torrential Tribute, Solemn Judgment, Solemn Warning, or Mirror Force it. All commonly used cards.

But there is still a chance you can get the hand so yea i said make a deck that NOMATTER what you drew youde win. you did not.

and it veries on what barbaros can destroy sometimes if its late those 1 or 2 cards it destroys will be just what you need.

-1,2, or 3 cards to negate damn near any effect and destroy that card. ill deffidently take that

needle worm is still f*cking rediculas.

but see if you can name off all these cards why not think of a few cards that can stop a yata lock like chaos emporer dragon is CAPABLE of locking. so use divine wrath or bottomless trap hole or other things. i can play that game too.

Ok, build a deck to stop:
Empty Jar FTK
Last Turn FTK
Frog FTK
Other Mass Driver FTK Variations
Magical Explosion FTK All three variations
Magical Scientist FTK
Chain Strike FTK
DDT
Exodia Now
Dark Strike Fighter OTK
Makyura FTK Both Variations


And still be able to beat...
Traditional STUN
Traditional Naturias
Traditional Morphtronics
Traditional Machina Gadgets
Traditional Synchro Cat
Traditional CO Burn
Traditional Black Garden Control
Traditional Gladiator Beasts
Traditional X-Sabers
Traditional TeleDAD
Traditional Infernities

and then beat...
Traditional RFG Monarchs
Traditional Perfect Circle
Traditional Frog Monarchs
Traditional Quickdraw
Traditional Drain Plants
Traditional Chaos
Traditional Lightsworn


Need any more?

Every deck becomes viable because 80% of that deck will be stapled banned cards. Why? Because they generate massive card advantage. There is no skill in traditional play.

You're wrong, utterly wrong about thinking those things should not be banned.

Also, I listed FOURTEEN OTK/FTK decks off the top of my head. I'd LOVE to see a deck to counter all of them while still being able to stand on its own against other decks that aren't OTK/FTK focused. Come on, try me.

I love how you like to assume I've become angry, when really I'm just enjoying treating you and everything you've said as a joke.

Point is, this entire time it's just a cry for some of the things you used to play in your deck back, because from your seat you've never once grasped the entirety of the game and its structure, and seen the ridiculous side of things. Note for future use, it's spelt "ridiculous".

However, your opinion isn't factual from what is. Point is, prior to ban, all of the cards currently on the list have had one-sided advantage in their days being played at an increased number from what they currently are. It has happened every time, and so the list is there to moderate. Cyber Jar was one of the grand examples that people have abused for those first-turn kills, which along with locks such as Yata-Garasu, is the largest one-sided tactic in the game. Yet, you've taken the list provided by Grumpy, and literally hand-picked the six cards that wouldn't flow together to prove a case that goes against fact; 6 of 40, the odds are quite staggering against your case.

You say the guarantee isn't there. Tournaments around the world say otherwise of its time.

This thread, all-in-all, is concerning legitimate thoughts on the list - what would make the game better, not let you have your way like some whining brat. The moment you said "I don't understand", legitimacy was never there.

Obviously because people like money. Your ignorance is a joke.

The tournament scene was made for the card game, not vice versa. Your reasoning fails to take this into account, as well as people who don't go by the Advanced Format banlists, such as Traditional Format players and folks who just play by home rules.

Face it: Your logic is faulty.

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUR. Of course, the R&D department of Konami really care that much right? If they see an OTK/FTK possibility, they may nerf a card idea, or they could make it a secret rare so people buy more packs so they can run the OTK/FTK.

Then they'll limit it later to keep players playing.

Marketing Priorities > Game Development Priorities

Because it's not banned at the time of its release, and people like to win, so the rarity is jacked sky high with the rate of pulls plummeting to Hell?

How do you not understand this? Look at the tournament structure now; YCS offers, what, for top win? A set of cards that go for the thousands just because people are willing to pay that much, and last I checked, XBOX 360's and Apple merchandise was also obtainable. Shot at riches and a bit of glory outdoes the money they spend making the deck, and people will do so, despite how slim the chances are.