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 Posted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:10 am
Part of my thoughts on eating animal flesh are here: http://www.ivu.org/congress/wvc96/identity.htmlMy thing is to choose a diet that causes the least harm on the environment and other living beings, yes , I eat plants and tear their limbs off. I respect them at least and do not take such sustenance for granted... nor do I feel myself to be their owner or overlord( not that all humans feel the same way about animals). But it seems to be a very common approach, speciesism. http://veg.ca/content/view/517/113/"Our lack of understanding and the pain we directly or indirectly cause animals reflects a deep spiritual disorder in the collective psyche of our species. In the West we have been conditioned to think that big is better than small, that strong is better than weak, that fast is better than slow and that physical strength is greater than moral or spiritual strength. " -Thank you for reading. although I do not share the misanthropic sentiments of the starter of this thread, sometimes my fellow human beings sadden me. that's all P.S: remember- "There is no compassion in a science, philosophy or doctrine that ignores our interdependence with other species. " C.Vaughan.
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:15 pm
I eat animals because they are tasty. Get a steak with a ceasar salad and patatoes and I have a damn good meal.
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:37 pm
The rose in spring I eat animals because they are tasty. Get a steak with a ceasar salad and patatoes and I have a damn good meal. Yum. Good for you, dear. stare Yes, there are ways to go about this sort of thing. Some politely and some a bit more crass and uncouth. The focus should be why we consider meat-eating such a habit so 'natural' , or at least so common in our pertaining culture/society...and why it is that we as a species depend upon such sources of sustenance. Some thoughts to munch on and delve into whilst discussing the matter at hand.
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:47 pm
XxLeComtesseAndrogynexX The rose in spring I eat animals because they are tasty. Get a steak with a ceasar salad and patatoes and I have a damn good meal. Yum. Good for you, dear. stare Yes, there are ways to go about this sort of thing. Some politely and some a bit more crass and uncouth. The focus should be why we consider meat-eating such a habit so 'natural' , or at least so common in our pertaining culture/society...and why it is that we as a species depend upon such sources of sustenance. Some thoughts to munch on and delve into whilst discussing the matter at hand. Some times, meat isn't a choice. There are places ewith little protein to go around or vegitation is low and they have to resort to fishing. You happen to be a spoiled brat living in a country wealthy enough to supply you with any produce at your disposal. And screw you. I like animal products.
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:54 pm
The rose in spring XxLeComtesseAndrogynexX The rose in spring I eat animals because they are tasty. Get a steak with a ceasar salad and patatoes and I have a damn good meal. Yum. Good for you, dear. stare Yes, there are ways to go about this sort of thing. Some politely and some a bit more crass and uncouth. The focus should be why we consider meat-eating such a habit so 'natural' , or at least so common in our pertaining culture/society...and why it is that we as a species depend upon such sources of sustenance. Some thoughts to munch on and delve into whilst discussing the matter at hand. Some times, meat isn't a choice. There are places ewith little protein to go around or vegitation is low and they have to resort to fishing. You happen to be a spoiled brat living in a country wealthy enough to supply you with any produce at your disposal. And screw you. I like animal products. At least have respect for the animal for providing you with the proper protein.
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:25 pm
Yokai Dragon The rose in spring XxLeComtesseAndrogynexX The rose in spring I eat animals because they are tasty. Get a steak with a ceasar salad and patatoes and I have a damn good meal. Yum. Good for you, dear. stare Yes, there are ways to go about this sort of thing. Some politely and some a bit more crass and uncouth. The focus should be why we consider meat-eating such a habit so 'natural' , or at least so common in our pertaining culture/society...and why it is that we as a species depend upon such sources of sustenance. Some thoughts to munch on and delve into whilst discussing the matter at hand. Some times, meat isn't a choice. There are places ewith little protein to go around or vegitation is low and they have to resort to fishing. You happen to be a spoiled brat living in a country wealthy enough to supply you with any produce at your disposal. And screw you. I like animal products. At least have respect for the animal for providing you with the proper protein. No, I am not a spoilt brat... where I come from I had very little options as to what to eat or not eat according to my dietary needs. Yes, I concur with the fact that there are places that require animals for food and survival, but they are a bit more conscientious than larger countries like the U.S when it comes to that. I feel that often times we are not thankful towards nature for providing us for the proper protein, health and the tools to thrive. There is no need for hostility. You like them, enjoy them. Just that it seems irrelevant to me. Do you need them? And do you understand where they come from as well as what toll it takes on the animals and the environment? hmm?... If the production of said items were not so careless and unfriendly to the Earth... Thank you,Yokai for your observation.
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:58 pm
There's zero moral quandary with eating meat, as far as I've ever been concerned (as I explained pages ago).
The main problem is the treatment of the animals; to make a long story short, it needs to be improved by leaps and bounds. A majority of animals put to slaughter are treated horribly prior to it, and are given a lot of drugs and certain foods to make them bigger.
Not only is this more or less horrible treatment, it also considerably degrades the quality of the meat itself. Aside from sheer quantity, the way animals are treated before being butchered for food is nearly self-defeating. Which is why I prefer local market foods/grass-fed or what have you.
However, the SAME problem can be attributed to plants. The sort of chemicals the crops are sprayed with, the way it can ruin the top soil and so forth. The way plants are grown for food has similar, if not WORSE implications for the environment than what bad treatment of animals does. I see no moral high ground for refusing to eat meat on the basis of environmental issues, when you consider the fact that improper use of chemical products to aid crop growth can poison aquifers, or entirely kill "local" flora and ruin the land itself.
Overall, people need to begin formulating more efficient, BETTER ways to treat, grow, process, whatever, when it comes to both animal and plants. Because the current methods for both are going to have some heavy tolls.
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Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:51 pm
Arcane_Ninja24 ShadowAlexis Jelubi Here's what I think about eating animals, it's disgusting and although they taste delicious we shouldn't be eating them. Eating animals is like eating humans. Just because animals are less intelligent and they are limited to their capabilities doesn't mean that they are of less value than humans. Humans disgust me, I hate human nature. Greed, corruption, hate, jealousy, evilness, desire, all things which burden humans are the reason I believe humans are terrible creatures. If somehow reincarnation truly exists then I hope you be reincarnated into a chicken or a fish to experience how it feels to have your limbs teared off or to see how it feels to be taken from your only source of life and left to die.
I believe it's in an animal's nature to eat from other animals so I don't blame them, also because they survive in the wild while being targeted by predators every day and every animal has it's prey. I believe humans should only be allowed to eat fruit, vegetables, plants and other types of food that are not from an animal or an animal itself.
Ever since I realized how eating animals is a terrible thing, whenever I eat animals now my stomach starts to hurt because I've stored the idea that eating animals is wrong somewhere in my brain. I always loved meat, everyday I would eat pepperoni pizza because that was my favorite food and now I won't eat it. You can learn a lot of spiritual concepts from the cartoon Avatar: The Last Airbender. It's actually a pretty smart show. The Bible says that in the earliest days of creation, all of God's creation (even animals) were vegetarian. When God blessed Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, He said to them: "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be food for you. And to the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground--everything that has the breath of life in it--I give every green plant for food. And it was so" (Genesis 1:29-30). It appears that all creation was vegetarian until after the waters of the Great Flood receded and Noah and his family were left to replenish the earth. Genesis 9:1-3 says: "Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. The fear and dread of you will fall upon all of the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, now I give you everything." there is no shame in eating greens & friuits,but its not wrong to eat meat,for God allowed us,in that,we shouldn't feel guilty,and in the new world & heaven,we will no longer eat animals lol,and every lion will eat hay like the cows,and the lambs will sleep with the lions and none shall be hurt ^^ lol,the words are different,but its close enough xD hope this helped =P so let me get this strait... in heaven... and this apparent new world, there is no fighting or killing, what so ever... so... when we move on the grass where going to have to dodge our way around all the bugs? and no more meat? what about drinking? and fighting? fighting is fun, and good way to test skill. oh, and without danger there is no, or hardly any excitement, no thrill from doing something risky. if thats the case, then it sounds like there would be a few cool sights, and a few cool things to experience that we couldn't before... but after awhile it would get really, really, really boring... and kind of pointless... but oh well, We'll just be filled with euphoria and every living thing is given a force field. Simple problems, simple solutions. XD But seriously, I think there might be a little fighting somewhere. Where else would all these angel warriors come from? XD That or like that episode of American Dad, we'll all be given our own version of the world for all our reasons. XD
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:28 pm
Yokai Dragon The rose in spring XxLeComtesseAndrogynexX The rose in spring I eat animals because they are tasty. Get a steak with a ceasar salad and patatoes and I have a damn good meal. Yum. Good for you, dear. stare Yes, there are ways to go about this sort of thing. Some politely and some a bit more crass and uncouth. The focus should be why we consider meat-eating such a habit so 'natural' , or at least so common in our pertaining culture/society...and why it is that we as a species depend upon such sources of sustenance. Some thoughts to munch on and delve into whilst discussing the matter at hand. Some times, meat isn't a choice. There are places ewith little protein to go around or vegitation is low and they have to resort to fishing. You happen to be a spoiled brat living in a country wealthy enough to supply you with any produce at your disposal. And screw you. I like animal products. At least have respect for the animal for providing you with the proper protein. True
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:27 pm
Abused animals taste better than ones that were actually cared for. If you call being bred for eventual slaughter "caring".
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:21 pm
The rose in spring XxLeComtesseAndrogynexX The rose in spring I eat animals because they are tasty. Get a steak with a ceasar salad and patatoes and I have a damn good meal. Yum. Good for you, dear. stare Yes, there are ways to go about this sort of thing. Some politely and some a bit more crass and uncouth. The focus should be why we consider meat-eating such a habit so 'natural' , or at least so common in our pertaining culture/society...and why it is that we as a species depend upon such sources of sustenance. Some thoughts to munch on and delve into whilst discussing the matter at hand. Some times, meat isn't a choice. There are places ewith little protein to go around or vegitation is low and they have to resort to fishing. You happen to be a spoiled brat living in a country wealthy enough to supply you with any produce at your disposal. And screw you. I like animal products. If I were in the wild and I was going to starve to death and if there were 50 goats around, I wouldn't eat any of them. Why should I take the lives of others just so that I can survive? That's just selfish and stupid.
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:39 pm
Jelubi The rose in spring XxLeComtesseAndrogynexX The rose in spring I eat animals because they are tasty. Get a steak with a ceasar salad and patatoes and I have a damn good meal. Yum. Good for you, dear. stare Yes, there are ways to go about this sort of thing. Some politely and some a bit more crass and uncouth. The focus should be why we consider meat-eating such a habit so 'natural' , or at least so common in our pertaining culture/society...and why it is that we as a species depend upon such sources of sustenance. Some thoughts to munch on and delve into whilst discussing the matter at hand. Some times, meat isn't a choice. There are places ewith little protein to go around or vegitation is low and they have to resort to fishing. You happen to be a spoiled brat living in a country wealthy enough to supply you with any produce at your disposal. And screw you. I like animal products. If I were in the wild and I was going to starve to death and if there were 50 goats around, I wouldn't eat any of them. Why should I take the lives of others just so that I can survive? That's just selfish and stupid. It's called survival. Life depends on it. Not just human life, but all life. If everything refused to do what it had to do to survive then Earth would be barren. Thankfully we're the only species able to make choices like that; there are too many of us as it is. Giving us the drive to abstain from surviving might be Nature's response to that. rofl
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:08 pm
That's just how it works my dear Jelubi. We have to kill to survive. Every animal must do so. For life needs life.
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Posted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:21 pm
Quote: "Our lack of understanding and the pain we directly or indirectly cause animals reflects a deep spiritual disorder in the collective psyche of our species. And what happens to every species when natural selection via pain and death is completely removed? I think you can see that in humanity post-civilization: Physical degeneration. Genetic decay into a weaker, dumber species. Overpopulation, leading to... destruction of the existing ecosystem, death. The "spiritual" fall of humanity is not in being too slow to become vegans and worship animals, it's in our refusal to acknowledge adversity and death as a part of life. The interdependence of all life demands that animals kill each other and the forces of nature keep them in check.
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 5:53 am
Jelubi If I were in the wild and I was going to starve to death and if there were 50 goats around, I wouldn't eat any of them. Why should I take the lives of others just so that I can survive? That's just selfish and stupid. It's not selfish, nor is it stupid. Is it selfish for the cheetah to kill the gazelle for food? Or for a lion to kill a water buffalo? What about an owl killing a mouse? Like all of the above, WE ARE ANIMALS. We developed specific traits to allow us to eat meat. If we were never supposed to eat meat, we would have never developed the means to process or digest it. We would never have the inclination to do so. The fact that we have developed the means, and the inclination, means that meat was meant to make up part of our diet, just as it has for as long as mankind has existed. It is no more wrong for us to eat meat than it is for any other carnivore or omnivore to eat meat. There's nothing morally wrong with consuming meat, nor is there anything wrong with it from a health point of view. As omnivores, eating meat is entirely natural - no, it isn't selfish, no, it isn't stupid, no matter what you say or think. Some people don't like the taste or texture of meat, or what have you. But to say it's "selfish" or "stupid" to eat meat is hilarious - hilariously wrong. I'm pretty sure I've explained this before, and if you want to keep saying it, I'll keep hammering out the exact same retort in response until you figure it out. If you don't like meat, that's fine, but don't come up with these bullshit excuses like it's some moral high ground to be vegetarian.
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