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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 12:59 pm


You're absolutely right about this the Catholic church doesn't teach salvation through Christ it teaches it through works which is among the many reasons that the protestant church broke away from the catholic church

However: That is not to say that all Catholics are not saved. Just the other branches of Christianity there are many who are saved within the Catholic church, unfortunately there are many more who aren't.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:34 pm


as for the main question :All christians that are saved believe in the Father, Son,Holy Spirit.
the Son mentioned above is Jesus. the only way they would be
blaspheming is if they denied that it was Jesus, and said He wasn't God's Son. The second epistle of John is a good place to look for this
I'll just skim for now:
7For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deciever and an antichrist.
8Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought. but that we receive a full reward.
9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. they have other things going on but that doesn't seem to be one of them

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:38 pm


and bty about the one unpardonable sin
this quote comes from Jesus in Matthew 12:31-32

31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32and whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
the reasons are found spoken by Jesus in John 16:7-8
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away,the comforter (Holy Spirit) will not come unto you, but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment oh and 13
13Howbeit when he , the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:
the reasons are the Holy Spirit is the one who convicts you to be saved He's the one who tugs on your heart and tells you when your sinning to get right and convicts you to salvation if you blaspheme against him then he will just stop trying
it mentions him in revelations as being this but I can't quite find it. something to do with God calling him back before the tribulation starts
PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:50 pm


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Sorry if this is in the wrong section, but I just needed to ask...

Seeing as how Catholicism is centered around the ideals of "Father, Son, and Spirit", and Christianity is centered around that Jesus Christ is the son of god.

Wouldn't that mean that all catholics are blaspheming sinners?


ok now your question is a good one but here I am a practicing Catholic so if I seem to get a bit harsh that is why so sorry if I get a bit mean or something. Anyway Catholicism is the original form of Christianity. Sorry you can't argue with that, it started right when Jesus died for us on the cross. Anyway yes we catholics believe in the Holy Trinity but we also believe that Jesus is the son of God. THe trinity is "The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit." The son refers to Jesus Christ. God is also both human and Divine so Jesus in a sense is also God. It is confusing but you just have to belive it since the only one who explain it perfectly is God. Christianity and Catholicism are pretty much the same except for some differences. Also here is a major point, blaspheming would be when we say that there is no God at all. We don't say that, we would never say that, and we will never say that. I hope that answers your question.

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