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 Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:12 pm
xxEternallyBluexx XcoldhandsX XxBroken_And_ShatteredxX Actually, I signed up for this thing to support LGBT's by staying silent on friday. I told another guy about it, and he said that he didn't because he believed in scientific beliefs, and thought that if too many people become homosexuals, that it could cause the world population to drop dramatically. I pointed out that that could be a good thing. But this guy is an atheist, and he came up with an almost purely scientific reason he didn't like it. I did that too. Day of silence. That bugged me because I think the Pro-life people were doing it first and a lot of my friends were participating so I didn't have a lot of people to talk to. And one of them got mad at me for not participating. >.< Plus the LGBT group at my school keeps spamming the library with book about homosexuality which would bug me even if I wasn't a Christian. I can't find anything new to read that isn't about a gay kid trying to find him/herself. stressed I want a library with well-written books, not one where they're all about supporting a cause. crying (this would bug me even if it was a cause I believed in, btw. If they were all about Christians trying to find their place in the world, I still wouldn't like it).
Or think, should I get mad when my friends want to go to church on Sunday mornings because if they go I don't have anything to do?
Same with the library, should I burn every copy of "She Said Yes" or any other books designed to inspire Christian faith because I don't have any?
Especially considering that it's still hard to come to terms with one's homosexuality in a lot of parts of the country. Our society says that it is something to be proud of and embraced. But the idea still lingers that it is something to be ashamed of and essentially a disease.
And what if your peers are in that second camp? Or your parents?
The high school years are tough enough.
I didn't participate though. :l I thought it was kind of ironic since silence has done absolutely nothing to change how society looks at homosexuality. XD
@divineseraph: Haha, to be honest, I try to avoid using the word myself because each time I get an image of some idiot saying that his opponent is "just ignorant" because he (the idiot) doesn't understand his opponent's argument. Such an abused word...
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Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:18 pm
xxEternallyBluexx XcoldhandsX xxEternallyBluexx XcoldhandsX XxBroken_And_ShatteredxX Actually, I signed up for this thing to support LGBT's by staying silent on friday. I told another guy about it, and he said that he didn't because he believed in scientific beliefs, and thought that if too many people become homosexuals, that it could cause the world population to drop dramatically. I pointed out that that could be a good thing. But this guy is an atheist, and he came up with an almost purely scientific reason he didn't like it. I did that too. Day of silence. That bugged me because I think the Pro-life people were doing it first and a lot of my friends were participating so I didn't have a lot of people to talk to. And one of them got mad at me for not participating. >.< Plus the LGBT group at my school keeps spamming the library with book about homosexuality which would bug me even if I wasn't a Christian. I can't find anything new to read that isn't about a gay kid trying to find him/herself. stressed I want a library with well-written books, not one where they're all about supporting a cause. crying (this would bug me even if it was a cause I believed in, btw. If they were all about Christians trying to find their place in the world, I still wouldn't like it). Well just like when african-americans were fighting for their rights they had to jam their message down all the white people who weren't onboard with its throats until everyone said "Okay enough already we'll lend you a hand." So once gays have equal rights they'll stop jamming their message down our throats because they won't need to anymore. It's having the opposite effect on me. Before I thought it was a sin. Now I'm not as sure, but I'm so annoyed at them that even if I thought it was all fine and dandy I still wouldn't support them. They messed with my library, and that makes me mad. scream I don't care if it's immature on my part. Annoying people is a horrible way to get support, and I dislike any group that uses that tactic. (The only exception is groups helping people in life and death matters, like the organizations who use guilt trips to get money for kids in Africa. That's okay by me if it helps get those kids what they need)
And did they cart out all of the other books so they could make more room for they message of support and equal rights and other such annoying things?
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Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:33 pm
brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx XcoldhandsX XxBroken_And_ShatteredxX Actually, I signed up for this thing to support LGBT's by staying silent on friday. I told another guy about it, and he said that he didn't because he believed in scientific beliefs, and thought that if too many people become homosexuals, that it could cause the world population to drop dramatically. I pointed out that that could be a good thing. But this guy is an atheist, and he came up with an almost purely scientific reason he didn't like it. I did that too. Day of silence. That bugged me because I think the Pro-life people were doing it first and a lot of my friends were participating so I didn't have a lot of people to talk to. And one of them got mad at me for not participating. >.< Plus the LGBT group at my school keeps spamming the library with book about homosexuality which would bug me even if I wasn't a Christian. I can't find anything new to read that isn't about a gay kid trying to find him/herself. stressed I want a library with well-written books, not one where they're all about supporting a cause. crying (this would bug me even if it was a cause I believed in, btw. If they were all about Christians trying to find their place in the world, I still wouldn't like it).
Or think, should I get mad when my friends want to go to church on Sunday mornings because if they go I don't have anything to do?
Same with the library, should I burn every copy of "She Said Yes" or any other books designed to inspire Christian faith because I don't have any?
Especially considering that it's still hard to come to terms with one's homosexuality in a lot of parts of the country. Our society says that it is something to be proud of and embraced. But the idea still lingers that it is something to be ashamed of and essentially a disease.
And what if your peers are in that second camp? Or your parents?
The high school years are tough enough.
I didn't participate though. :l I thought it was kind of ironic since silence has done absolutely nothing to change how society looks at homosexuality. XD
@divineseraph: Haha, to be honest, I try to avoid using the word myself because each time I get an image of some idiot saying that his opponent is "just ignorant" because he (the idiot) doesn't understand his opponent's argument. Such an abused word...The silence thing just annoyed me, and the fact one of my friend's is mad at me well, wouldn't it annoy you if a friend kept pushing you going to church? This friend is a Muslim, but she just keeps pushing stuff I don't like, including stuff outside the Islamic faith. I think she's only Islamic to rebel against her parents. >.< No, I just don't like the fact they're letting one idea dominate the library. And like I said before, it'd bug me for almost anything they were pushing, especially since I don't consider something like gay marriage life and death. ....not gonna say what I'm thinking, I'll get jumped on.... You mean gay? XD Some of my peers are, but my mom would probably sooner shoot herself then become gay. With my dad living so far away though, it hardly impacts me what he does. So back to my peers...we have an understanding-I don't tell them they're going to Hell or how much I don't support it, they don't shove it in my face they're gay. That's my point too! With the pro-life people they do it as a day of mourning for the babies killed, and the voices that will never be heard...I brought it up in my art class though, and the kids told me to shut it. I hate my school sometimes. stressed
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Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:42 pm
brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx XcoldhandsX xxEternallyBluexx XcoldhandsX XxBroken_And_ShatteredxX Actually, I signed up for this thing to support LGBT's by staying silent on friday. I told another guy about it, and he said that he didn't because he believed in scientific beliefs, and thought that if too many people become homosexuals, that it could cause the world population to drop dramatically. I pointed out that that could be a good thing. But this guy is an atheist, and he came up with an almost purely scientific reason he didn't like it. I did that too. Day of silence. That bugged me because I think the Pro-life people were doing it first and a lot of my friends were participating so I didn't have a lot of people to talk to. And one of them got mad at me for not participating. >.< Plus the LGBT group at my school keeps spamming the library with book about homosexuality which would bug me even if I wasn't a Christian. I can't find anything new to read that isn't about a gay kid trying to find him/herself. stressed I want a library with well-written books, not one where they're all about supporting a cause. crying (this would bug me even if it was a cause I believed in, btw. If they were all about Christians trying to find their place in the world, I still wouldn't like it). Well just like when african-americans were fighting for their rights they had to jam their message down all the white people who weren't onboard with its throats until everyone said "Okay enough already we'll lend you a hand." So once gays have equal rights they'll stop jamming their message down our throats because they won't need to anymore. It's having the opposite effect on me. Before I thought it was a sin. Now I'm not as sure, but I'm so annoyed at them that even if I thought it was all fine and dandy I still wouldn't support them. They messed with my library, and that makes me mad. scream I don't care if it's immature on my part. Annoying people is a horrible way to get support, and I dislike any group that uses that tactic. (The only exception is groups helping people in life and death matters, like the organizations who use guilt trips to get money for kids in Africa. That's okay by me if it helps get those kids what they need)
And did they cart out all of the other books so they could make more room for they message of support and equal rights and other such annoying things?Not like that! They're human, we're all equal, and they have every right to use the library. I just don't see why the club is donating all this gay literature when half of them don't even read much (I know this partly because I'm friends with most of them from two other clubs). And yes, it annoys me that all of those books are about being gay! Is that a crime, considering I read a book a day and the place I go for a significant portion of my books has tons of new books I can't read? It's torture! XD I wouldn't even have as much of a problem if some of them were fantasy, or it wasn't the protagonist who was gay in all of them, or if the one or two books I bothered to pick up were well-written. The only criteria is the cause though! It intensely frustrates me. And I do think they used some library funds on this too, and not just club funds, which means that's a few books I might've liked the library never got because they were too busy picking literature based on a cause. I said before I'd hate it if they were doing it for almost any cause, and I mean it. The only criteria for picking a book, at least for a public institution, should be how well written it is, and that it doesn't have a negative impact on the reader. Plus my little sister is going to have to go there next year, and feel intensely uncomfortable because her beliefs don't match everyone else's. I don't think that's fair. Why should we be told to shut it? Shouldn't someone have just as much right to not support a cause as support it, as long as they do it peacefully and because they think they're doing the right thing?
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 12:05 am
xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx XcoldhandsX XxBroken_And_ShatteredxX Actually, I signed up for this thing to support LGBT's by staying silent on friday. I told another guy about it, and he said that he didn't because he believed in scientific beliefs, and thought that if too many people become homosexuals, that it could cause the world population to drop dramatically. I pointed out that that could be a good thing. But this guy is an atheist, and he came up with an almost purely scientific reason he didn't like it. I did that too. Day of silence. That bugged me because I think the Pro-life people were doing it first and a lot of my friends were participating so I didn't have a lot of people to talk to. And one of them got mad at me for not participating. >.< Plus the LGBT group at my school keeps spamming the library with book about homosexuality which would bug me even if I wasn't a Christian. I can't find anything new to read that isn't about a gay kid trying to find him/herself. stressed I want a library with well-written books, not one where they're all about supporting a cause. crying (this would bug me even if it was a cause I believed in, btw. If they were all about Christians trying to find their place in the world, I still wouldn't like it).
Or think, should I get mad when my friends want to go to church on Sunday mornings because if they go I don't have anything to do?
Same with the library, should I burn every copy of "She Said Yes" or any other books designed to inspire Christian faith because I don't have any?
Especially considering that it's still hard to come to terms with one's homosexuality in a lot of parts of the country. Our society says that it is something to be proud of and embraced. But the idea still lingers that it is something to be ashamed of and essentially a disease.
And what if your peers are in that second camp? Or your parents?
The high school years are tough enough.
I didn't participate though. :l I thought it was kind of ironic since silence has done absolutely nothing to change how society looks at homosexuality. XD
@divineseraph: Haha, to be honest, I try to avoid using the word myself because each time I get an image of some idiot saying that his opponent is "just ignorant" because he (the idiot) doesn't understand his opponent's argument. Such an abused word...The silence thing just annoyed me, and the fact one of my friend's is mad at me well, wouldn't it annoy you if a friend kept pushing you going to church? This friend is a Muslim, but she just keeps pushing stuff I don't like, including stuff outside the Islamic faith. I think she's only Islamic to rebel against her parents. >.< No, I just don't like the fact they're letting one idea dominate the library. And like I said before, it'd bug me for almost anything they were pushing, especially since I don't consider something like gay marriage life and death. ....not gonna say what I'm thinking, I'll get jumped on.... You mean gay. XD Some of my peers are, but my mom would probably sooner shoot herself then become gay. With my dad living so far away though, it hardly impacts me what he does. So back to my peers...we have an understanding-I don't tell them they're going to Hell or how much I don't support it, they don't shove it in my face they're gay. That's my point too! With the pro-life people they do it as a day of mourning for the babies killed, and the voices that will never be heard...I brought it up in my art class though, and the kids told me to shut it. I hate my school sometimes. stressed --------------------------- Not like that! They're human, we're all equal, and they have every right to use the library. I just don't see why the club donating all the gay literature when half of them don't even read much. And yes, it annoys me that all of those books are about being gay! Is that a crime, considering I read a book a day and the place I go for a significant portion of my books has tons of new books I can't read? I wouldn't even have as much of a problem if some of them were fantasy, or it wasn't the protagonist who was gay, or if the one or two books I bothered to pick up were well-written. The only criteria is the cause though! It intensely frustrates me. And I do think they used some library funds on this too, and not just club funds, which means that's a few books I might've liked the library never got because they were too busy picking literature based on a cause. Plus my little sister is going to have to go there next year, and feel intensely uncomfortable because her beliefs don't match everyone else's. I don't think that's fair.
Just out of curiosity, what religion are her parents?
You say that your mom would shoot herself before becoming gay. Exaggeration or not, if one of your siblings was gay, how do you think that would make that sibling feel?
It's their right to protest, they're not hurting anyone...
Haha, and why can't you read those new books? Or I mean, do you have any reason to believe that the books have no real substance? And do you really have to like every book that goes into the library? Is the education of others a bad thing because it inconveniences you?
Maybe your sister needs to re-think her beliefs.
Right or wrong, my beliefs haven't matched the majority's since elementary school.
It's good for you. Sometimes the crowd is right, sometimes the entire lot of them is being stupid. Either way, it's never good to be a sheep.
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:22 am
xxEternallyBluexx XcoldhandsX xxEternallyBluexx XcoldhandsX XxBroken_And_ShatteredxX Actually, I signed up for this thing to support LGBT's by staying silent on friday. I told another guy about it, and he said that he didn't because he believed in scientific beliefs, and thought that if too many people become homosexuals, that it could cause the world population to drop dramatically. I pointed out that that could be a good thing. But this guy is an atheist, and he came up with an almost purely scientific reason he didn't like it. I did that too. Day of silence. That bugged me because I think the Pro-life people were doing it first and a lot of my friends were participating so I didn't have a lot of people to talk to. And one of them got mad at me for not participating. >.< Plus the LGBT group at my school keeps spamming the library with book about homosexuality which would bug me even if I wasn't a Christian. I can't find anything new to read that isn't about a gay kid trying to find him/herself. stressed I want a library with well-written books, not one where they're all about supporting a cause. crying (this would bug me even if it was a cause I believed in, btw. If they were all about Christians trying to find their place in the world, I still wouldn't like it). Well just like when african-americans were fighting for their rights they had to jam their message down all the white people who weren't onboard with its throats until everyone said "Okay enough already we'll lend you a hand." So once gays have equal rights they'll stop jamming their message down our throats because they won't need to anymore. It's having the opposite effect on me. Before I thought it was a sin. Now I'm not as sure, but I'm so annoyed at them that even if I thought it was all fine and dandy I still wouldn't support them. They messed with my library, and that makes me mad. scream I don't care if it's immature on my part. Annoying people is a horrible way to get support, and I dislike any group that uses that tactic. (The only exception is groups helping people in life and death matters, like the organizations who use guilt trips to get money for kids in Africa. That's okay by me if it helps get those kids what they need) Well there's not really any other effective tactic. Throughout history that's been the method that has worked. The only way to get them to go away is to support them really. As for your library, I'd say suck it up and just look past those books, many other people and enjoy them and lots of people go to libraries, not just you.
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:25 am
xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx XcoldhandsX XxBroken_And_ShatteredxX Actually, I signed up for this thing to support LGBT's by staying silent on friday. I told another guy about it, and he said that he didn't because he believed in scientific beliefs, and thought that if too many people become homosexuals, that it could cause the world population to drop dramatically. I pointed out that that could be a good thing. But this guy is an atheist, and he came up with an almost purely scientific reason he didn't like it. I did that too. Day of silence. That bugged me because I think the Pro-life people were doing it first and a lot of my friends were participating so I didn't have a lot of people to talk to. And one of them got mad at me for not participating. >.< Plus the LGBT group at my school keeps spamming the library with book about homosexuality which would bug me even if I wasn't a Christian. I can't find anything new to read that isn't about a gay kid trying to find him/herself. stressed I want a library with well-written books, not one where they're all about supporting a cause. crying (this would bug me even if it was a cause I believed in, btw. If they were all about Christians trying to find their place in the world, I still wouldn't like it).
Or think, should I get mad when my friends want to go to church on Sunday mornings because if they go I don't have anything to do?
Same with the library, should I burn every copy of "She Said Yes" or any other books designed to inspire Christian faith because I don't have any?
Especially considering that it's still hard to come to terms with one's homosexuality in a lot of parts of the country. Our society says that it is something to be proud of and embraced. But the idea still lingers that it is something to be ashamed of and essentially a disease.
And what if your peers are in that second camp? Or your parents?
The high school years are tough enough.
I didn't participate though. :l I thought it was kind of ironic since silence has done absolutely nothing to change how society looks at homosexuality. XD
@divineseraph: Haha, to be honest, I try to avoid using the word myself because each time I get an image of some idiot saying that his opponent is "just ignorant" because he (the idiot) doesn't understand his opponent's argument. Such an abused word...The silence thing just annoyed me, and the fact one of my friend's is mad at me well, wouldn't it annoy you if a friend kept pushing you going to church? This friend is a Muslim, but she just keeps pushing stuff I don't like, including stuff outside the Islamic faith. I think she's only Islamic to rebel against her parents. >.< No, I just don't like the fact they're letting one idea dominate the library. And like I said before, it'd bug me for almost anything they were pushing, especially since I don't consider something like gay marriage life and death. ....not gonna say what I'm thinking, I'll get jumped on.... You mean gay? XD Some of my peers are, but my mom would probably sooner shoot herself then become gay. With my dad living so far away though, it hardly impacts me what he does. So back to my peers...we have an understanding-I don't tell them they're going to Hell or how much I don't support it, they don't shove it in my face they're gay. That's my point too! With the pro-life people they do it as a day of mourning for the babies killed, and the voices that will never be heard...I brought it up in my art class though, and the kids told me to shut it. I hate my school sometimes. stressed Yeah how dare your school ask you to not push your beliefs on them. How ironic that you complain about how gay civil rights books won't get out of your library but you also complain about how your art class won't listen to your message about abortion. Sometimes there's more to the situation than just a baby in a stomach.
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 5:00 am
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Too many new books you can't read, because you can't identify with the main protagonist?
Then re-read those you've already read: Some books are good enough to be read again ..... and some again, again, and again!
Of course a certain group chooses books that supports their own views (and Causes ..... )
Mind you, there are also the ardous thing of being risen in a family with ...... unforgiving point of views:
One feels the expactation of doing this and/or that, and might even be unable to truly answer why, it is just .... supposed!
Usually because the alternative is to get shunned by those who are supposed to help .........
............. Sorry, my rantings may seem like nonsense to some .......
What i mean, is:
Problem? Deal with it, or avoid it.
Also, Growing up today, may easily mean one finding out that one's Parents say one thing, but so many others say something clearly different.
How does one really ...... manages to live through this?
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:19 am
XcoldhandsX xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx XcoldhandsX XxBroken_And_ShatteredxX Actually, I signed up for this thing to support LGBT's by staying silent on friday. I told another guy about it, and he said that he didn't because he believed in scientific beliefs, and thought that if too many people become homosexuals, that it could cause the world population to drop dramatically. I pointed out that that could be a good thing. But this guy is an atheist, and he came up with an almost purely scientific reason he didn't like it. I did that too. Day of silence. That bugged me because I think the Pro-life people were doing it first and a lot of my friends were participating so I didn't have a lot of people to talk to. And one of them got mad at me for not participating. >.< Plus the LGBT group at my school keeps spamming the library with book about homosexuality which would bug me even if I wasn't a Christian. I can't find anything new to read that isn't about a gay kid trying to find him/herself. stressed I want a library with well-written books, not one where they're all about supporting a cause. crying (this would bug me even if it was a cause I believed in, btw. If they were all about Christians trying to find their place in the world, I still wouldn't like it).
Or think, should I get mad when my friends want to go to church on Sunday mornings because if they go I don't have anything to do?
Same with the library, should I burn every copy of "She Said Yes" or any other books designed to inspire Christian faith because I don't have any?
Especially considering that it's still hard to come to terms with one's homosexuality in a lot of parts of the country. Our society says that it is something to be proud of and embraced. But the idea still lingers that it is something to be ashamed of and essentially a disease.
And what if your peers are in that second camp? Or your parents?
The high school years are tough enough.
I didn't participate though. :l I thought it was kind of ironic since silence has done absolutely nothing to change how society looks at homosexuality. XD
@divineseraph: Haha, to be honest, I try to avoid using the word myself because each time I get an image of some idiot saying that his opponent is "just ignorant" because he (the idiot) doesn't understand his opponent's argument. Such an abused word...The silence thing just annoyed me, and the fact one of my friend's is mad at me well, wouldn't it annoy you if a friend kept pushing you going to church? This friend is a Muslim, but she just keeps pushing stuff I don't like, including stuff outside the Islamic faith. I think she's only Islamic to rebel against her parents. >.< No, I just don't like the fact they're letting one idea dominate the library. And like I said before, it'd bug me for almost anything they were pushing, especially since I don't consider something like gay marriage life and death. ....not gonna say what I'm thinking, I'll get jumped on.... You mean gay? XD Some of my peers are, but my mom would probably sooner shoot herself then become gay. With my dad living so far away though, it hardly impacts me what he does. So back to my peers...we have an understanding-I don't tell them they're going to Hell or how much I don't support it, they don't shove it in my face they're gay. That's my point too! With the pro-life people they do it as a day of mourning for the babies killed, and the voices that will never be heard...I brought it up in my art class though, and the kids told me to shut it. I hate my school sometimes. stressed Yeah how dare your school ask you to not push your beliefs on them. How ironic that you complain about how gay civil rights books won't get out of your library but you also complain about how your art class won't listen to your message about abortion. Sometimes there's more to the situation than just a baby in a stomach. Like what? I'd say supporting the right to not be killed is a more noble task than supporting the right to equal marriage rights.
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:24 pm
brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx XcoldhandsX XxBroken_And_ShatteredxX Actually, I signed up for this thing to support LGBT's by staying silent on friday. I told another guy about it, and he said that he didn't because he believed in scientific beliefs, and thought that if too many people become homosexuals, that it could cause the world population to drop dramatically. I pointed out that that could be a good thing. But this guy is an atheist, and he came up with an almost purely scientific reason he didn't like it. I did that too. Day of silence. That bugged me because I think the Pro-life people were doing it first and a lot of my friends were participating so I didn't have a lot of people to talk to. And one of them got mad at me for not participating. >.< Plus the LGBT group at my school keeps spamming the library with book about homosexuality which would bug me even if I wasn't a Christian. I can't find anything new to read that isn't about a gay kid trying to find him/herself. stressed I want a library with well-written books, not one where they're all about supporting a cause. crying (this would bug me even if it was a cause I believed in, btw. If they were all about Christians trying to find their place in the world, I still wouldn't like it).
Or think, should I get mad when my friends want to go to church on Sunday mornings because if they go I don't have anything to do?
Same with the library, should I burn every copy of "She Said Yes" or any other books designed to inspire Christian faith because I don't have any?
Especially considering that it's still hard to come to terms with one's homosexuality in a lot of parts of the country. Our society says that it is something to be proud of and embraced. But the idea still lingers that it is something to be ashamed of and essentially a disease.
And what if your peers are in that second camp? Or your parents?
The high school years are tough enough.
I didn't participate though. :l I thought it was kind of ironic since silence has done absolutely nothing to change how society looks at homosexuality. XD
@divineseraph: Haha, to be honest, I try to avoid using the word myself because each time I get an image of some idiot saying that his opponent is "just ignorant" because he (the idiot) doesn't understand his opponent's argument. Such an abused word...The silence thing just annoyed me, and the fact one of my friend's is mad at me well, wouldn't it annoy you if a friend kept pushing you going to church? This friend is a Muslim, but she just keeps pushing stuff I don't like, including stuff outside the Islamic faith. I think she's only Islamic to rebel against her parents. >.< No, I just don't like the fact they're letting one idea dominate the library. And like I said before, it'd bug me for almost anything they were pushing, especially since I don't consider something like gay marriage life and death. ....not gonna say what I'm thinking, I'll get jumped on.... You mean gay. XD Some of my peers are, but my mom would probably sooner shoot herself then become gay. With my dad living so far away though, it hardly impacts me what he does. So back to my peers...we have an understanding-I don't tell them they're going to Hell or how much I don't support it, they don't shove it in my face they're gay. That's my point too! With the pro-life people they do it as a day of mourning for the babies killed, and the voices that will never be heard...I brought it up in my art class though, and the kids told me to shut it. I hate my school sometimes. stressed --------------------------- Not like that! They're human, we're all equal, and they have every right to use the library. I just don't see why the club donating all the gay literature when half of them don't even read much. And yes, it annoys me that all of those books are about being gay! Is that a crime, considering I read a book a day and the place I go for a significant portion of my books has tons of new books I can't read? I wouldn't even have as much of a problem if some of them were fantasy, or it wasn't the protagonist who was gay, or if the one or two books I bothered to pick up were well-written. The only criteria is the cause though! It intensely frustrates me. And I do think they used some library funds on this too, and not just club funds, which means that's a few books I might've liked the library never got because they were too busy picking literature based on a cause. Plus my little sister is going to have to go there next year, and feel intensely uncomfortable because her beliefs don't match everyone else's. I don't think that's fair.
Just out of curiosity, what religion are her parents?
You say that your mom would shoot herself before becoming gay. Exaggeration or not, if one of your siblings was gay, how do you think that would make that sibling feel?
It's their right to protest, they're not hurting anyone...
Haha, and why can't you read those new books? Or I mean, do you have any reason to believe that the books have no real substance? And do you really have to like every book that goes into the library? Is the education of others a bad thing because it inconveniences you?
Maybe your sister needs to re-think her beliefs.
Right or wrong, my beliefs haven't matched the majority's since elementary school.
It's good for you. Sometimes the crowd is right, sometimes the entire lot of them is being stupid. Either way, it's never good to be a sheep.Thanks for doing that. ^^ My parents are the same religion as I am. (Though I think my dad has some weird beliefs...) And if my little sister thought she was gay, she'd probably do what I'd do-tell mom and we'd all pray about it and help support her in stopping to feel that way. It wouldn't be a problem anyway, because the two of us have always felt like God's gonna pick out the guys He wants us to marry, so neither of us really date as it is. It's not just religious thing either-in our family people don't tend to date until they're ready to get married. My sister and I skipped the giggling over boys phase, and my brother...I don't know what he did, but he was hardly girl-crazy. The worst thing that might happen to her is she could become more suicidal, but mom and I would tell her the Lord wants her here, and that's it's not sin as long as she doesn't act on it. It'd turn out alright. I can't read those books because the characters are so shallow! I picked up on for lack of book, and it was all he said, she said, high school drama. Plus I can't relate to a gay character. I think they portray it inaccurately. And I want fantasy. crying And no, but I'd like to enjoy a significant portion of them. Is that wrong? I'd rather not have her friends peer pressure her into changing her beliefs, which is likely. And I see no problem with her evaluating her beliefs, but that's not what's going to happen. She'll go to school and essentially be made to shut her mouth, and then she'll come home upset with the gay friendly atmosphere at school. My mom and I will have to handle her being stressed out (which is not fun), and all for a cause we all think is wrong. Please don't tell me you think this is a good thing...
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:26 pm
XcoldhandsX xxEternallyBluexx XcoldhandsX xxEternallyBluexx XcoldhandsX XxBroken_And_ShatteredxX Actually, I signed up for this thing to support LGBT's by staying silent on friday. I told another guy about it, and he said that he didn't because he believed in scientific beliefs, and thought that if too many people become homosexuals, that it could cause the world population to drop dramatically. I pointed out that that could be a good thing. But this guy is an atheist, and he came up with an almost purely scientific reason he didn't like it. I did that too. Day of silence. That bugged me because I think the Pro-life people were doing it first and a lot of my friends were participating so I didn't have a lot of people to talk to. And one of them got mad at me for not participating. >.< Plus the LGBT group at my school keeps spamming the library with book about homosexuality which would bug me even if I wasn't a Christian. I can't find anything new to read that isn't about a gay kid trying to find him/herself. stressed I want a library with well-written books, not one where they're all about supporting a cause. crying (this would bug me even if it was a cause I believed in, btw. If they were all about Christians trying to find their place in the world, I still wouldn't like it). Well just like when african-americans were fighting for their rights they had to jam their message down all the white people who weren't onboard with its throats until everyone said "Okay enough already we'll lend you a hand." So once gays have equal rights they'll stop jamming their message down our throats because they won't need to anymore. It's having the opposite effect on me. Before I thought it was a sin. Now I'm not as sure, but I'm so annoyed at them that even if I thought it was all fine and dandy I still wouldn't support them. They messed with my library, and that makes me mad. scream I don't care if it's immature on my part. Annoying people is a horrible way to get support, and I dislike any group that uses that tactic. (The only exception is groups helping people in life and death matters, like the organizations who use guilt trips to get money for kids in Africa. That's okay by me if it helps get those kids what they need) Well there's not really any other effective tactic. Throughout history that's been the method that has worked. The only way to get them to go away is to support them really. As for your library, I'd say suck it up and just look past those books, many other people and enjoy them and lots of people go to libraries, not just you. They'll never have my support. I'm gonna hold a grudge against them for this. stare ...yes, I'm not saying people don't go and enjoy libraries. Most people at my school just go read from the magazine rack for entertainment though so...
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:32 pm
Tiina Brown ...... Too many new books you can't read, because you can't identify with the main protagonist? Then re-read those you've already read: Some books are good enough to be read again ..... and some again, again, and again! Of course a certain group chooses books that supports their own views (and Causes ..... ) Mind you, there are also the ardous thing of being risen in a family with ...... unforgiving point of views: One feels the expactation of doing this and/or that, and might even be unable to truly answer why, it is just .... supposed! Usually because the alternative is to get shunned by those who are supposed to help ......... ............. Sorry, my rantings may seem like nonsense to some ....... What i mean, is: Problem? Deal with it, or avoid it. Also, Growing up today, may easily mean one finding out that one's Parents say one thing, but so many others say something clearly different. How does one really ...... manages to live through this? I do that already, and I also go to public library booksales. I read too fast though xd They should choose well-written ones from a variety of genres then. And part of the reason I posted was I needed to vent. That's kinda how I'm dealing with it. It's not annoying me quite as much after that. ^^ You deal with it by going back to what you believe and deciding not to against it. The problem for me was not about doing the right or wrong thing, but just not getting angry about the circumstances the gay community in my school was setting it up, especially since I like a lot of the people in the club. It's difficult for me. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:44 pm
xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx That bugged me because I think the Pro-life people were doing it first and a lot of my friends were participating so I didn't have a lot of people to talk to. And one of them got mad at me for not participating. >.< Plus the LGBT group at my school keeps spamming the library with book about homosexuality which would bug me even if I wasn't a Christian. I can't find anything new to read that isn't about a gay kid trying to find him/herself. stressed I want a library with well-written books, not one where they're all about supporting a cause. crying (this would bug me even if it was a cause I believed in, btw. If they were all about Christians trying to find their place in the world, I still wouldn't like it).
Or think, should I get mad when my friends want to go to church on Sunday mornings because if they go I don't have anything to do?
Same with the library, should I burn every copy of "She Said Yes" or any other books designed to inspire Christian faith because I don't have any?
Especially considering that it's still hard to come to terms with one's homosexuality in a lot of parts of the country. Our society says that it is something to be proud of and embraced. But the idea still lingers that it is something to be ashamed of and essentially a disease.
And what if your peers are in that second camp? Or your parents?
The high school years are tough enough.
I didn't participate though. :l I thought it was kind of ironic since silence has done absolutely nothing to change how society looks at homosexuality. XD
@divineseraph: Haha, to be honest, I try to avoid using the word myself because each time I get an image of some idiot saying that his opponent is "just ignorant" because he (the idiot) doesn't understand his opponent's argument. Such an abused word...The silence thing just annoyed me, and the fact one of my friend's is mad at me well, wouldn't it annoy you if a friend kept pushing you going to church? This friend is a Muslim, but she just keeps pushing stuff I don't like, including stuff outside the Islamic faith. I think she's only Islamic to rebel against her parents. >.< No, I just don't like the fact they're letting one idea dominate the library. And like I said before, it'd bug me for almost anything they were pushing, especially since I don't consider something like gay marriage life and death. ....not gonna say what I'm thinking, I'll get jumped on.... You mean gay. XD Some of my peers are, but my mom would probably sooner shoot herself then become gay. With my dad living so far away though, it hardly impacts me what he does. So back to my peers...we have an understanding-I don't tell them they're going to Hell or how much I don't support it, they don't shove it in my face they're gay. That's my point too! With the pro-life people they do it as a day of mourning for the babies killed, and the voices that will never be heard...I brought it up in my art class though, and the kids told me to shut it. I hate my school sometimes. stressed --------------------------- Not like that! They're human, we're all equal, and they have every right to use the library. I just don't see why the club donating all the gay literature when half of them don't even read much. And yes, it annoys me that all of those books are about being gay! Is that a crime, considering I read a book a day and the place I go for a significant portion of my books has tons of new books I can't read? I wouldn't even have as much of a problem if some of them were fantasy, or it wasn't the protagonist who was gay, or if the one or two books I bothered to pick up were well-written. The only criteria is the cause though! It intensely frustrates me. And I do think they used some library funds on this too, and not just club funds, which means that's a few books I might've liked the library never got because they were too busy picking literature based on a cause. Plus my little sister is going to have to go there next year, and feel intensely uncomfortable because her beliefs don't match everyone else's. I don't think that's fair.
Just out of curiosity, what religion are her parents?
You say that your mom would shoot herself before becoming gay. Exaggeration or not, if one of your siblings was gay, how do you think that would make that sibling feel?
It's their right to protest, they're not hurting anyone...
Haha, and why can't you read those new books? Or I mean, do you have any reason to believe that the books have no real substance? And do you really have to like every book that goes into the library? Is the education of others a bad thing because it inconveniences you?
Maybe your sister needs to re-think her beliefs.
Right or wrong, my beliefs haven't matched the majority's since elementary school.
It's good for you. Sometimes the crowd is right, sometimes the entire lot of them is being stupid. Either way, it's never good to be a sheep.Thanks for doing that. ^^ My parents are the same religion as I am. (Though I think my dad has some weird beliefs...) And if my little sister thought she was gay, she'd probably do what I'd do-tell mom and we'd all pray about it and help support her in stopping to feel that way. It wouldn't be a problem anyway, because the two of us have always felt like God's gonna pick out the guys He wants us to marry, so neither of us really date as it is. It's not just religious thing either-in our family people don't tend to date until they're ready to get married. My sister and I skipped the giggling over boys phase, and my brother...I don't know what he did, but he was hardly girl-crazy. The worst thing that might happen to her is she could become more suicidal, but mom and I would tell her the Lord wants her here, and that's it's not sin as long as she doesn't act on it. It'd turn out alright. I can't read those books because the characters are so shallow! I picked up on for lack of book, and it was all he said, she said, high school drama. Plus I can't relate to a gay character. I think they portray it inaccurately. And I want fantasy. crying And no, but I'd like to enjoy a significant portion of them. Is that wrong? I'd rather not have her friends peer pressure her into changing her beliefs, which is likely. And I see no problem with her evaluating her beliefs, but that's not what's going to happen. She'll go to school and essentially be made to shut her mouth, and then she'll come home upset with the gay friendly atmosphere at school. My mom and I will have to handle her being stressed out (which is not fun), and all for a cause we all think is wrong. Please don't tell me you think this is a good thing... It IS a good thing because your sister is wrong. Your mother would force her to like a gender she didn't? Imagine if your mother was rabidly pro-gay, and wanted to force YOU to like v****a and other women. You'd go to hell, in her estimation, if you didn't. It's OK, though- Just don't act on your want for guys, and God will still love you. You will learn to like the v****a. Am I right? On another more cynical note, try an experiment with me. Change the word and references to "gay" to "n*gger" and go back 50 years. Seem familiar?
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:47 pm
divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx That bugged me because I think the Pro-life people were doing it first and a lot of my friends were participating so I didn't have a lot of people to talk to. And one of them got mad at me for not participating. >.< Plus the LGBT group at my school keeps spamming the library with book about homosexuality which would bug me even if I wasn't a Christian. I can't find anything new to read that isn't about a gay kid trying to find him/herself. stressed I want a library with well-written books, not one where they're all about supporting a cause. crying (this would bug me even if it was a cause I believed in, btw. If they were all about Christians trying to find their place in the world, I still wouldn't like it).
Or think, should I get mad when my friends want to go to church on Sunday mornings because if they go I don't have anything to do?
Same with the library, should I burn every copy of "She Said Yes" or any other books designed to inspire Christian faith because I don't have any?
Especially considering that it's still hard to come to terms with one's homosexuality in a lot of parts of the country. Our society says that it is something to be proud of and embraced. But the idea still lingers that it is something to be ashamed of and essentially a disease.
And what if your peers are in that second camp? Or your parents?
The high school years are tough enough.
I didn't participate though. :l I thought it was kind of ironic since silence has done absolutely nothing to change how society looks at homosexuality. XD
@divineseraph: Haha, to be honest, I try to avoid using the word myself because each time I get an image of some idiot saying that his opponent is "just ignorant" because he (the idiot) doesn't understand his opponent's argument. Such an abused word...The silence thing just annoyed me, and the fact one of my friend's is mad at me well, wouldn't it annoy you if a friend kept pushing you going to church? This friend is a Muslim, but she just keeps pushing stuff I don't like, including stuff outside the Islamic faith. I think she's only Islamic to rebel against her parents. >.< No, I just don't like the fact they're letting one idea dominate the library. And like I said before, it'd bug me for almost anything they were pushing, especially since I don't consider something like gay marriage life and death. ....not gonna say what I'm thinking, I'll get jumped on.... You mean gay. XD Some of my peers are, but my mom would probably sooner shoot herself then become gay. With my dad living so far away though, it hardly impacts me what he does. So back to my peers...we have an understanding-I don't tell them they're going to Hell or how much I don't support it, they don't shove it in my face they're gay. That's my point too! With the pro-life people they do it as a day of mourning for the babies killed, and the voices that will never be heard...I brought it up in my art class though, and the kids told me to shut it. I hate my school sometimes. stressed --------------------------- Not like that! They're human, we're all equal, and they have every right to use the library. I just don't see why the club donating all the gay literature when half of them don't even read much. And yes, it annoys me that all of those books are about being gay! Is that a crime, considering I read a book a day and the place I go for a significant portion of my books has tons of new books I can't read? I wouldn't even have as much of a problem if some of them were fantasy, or it wasn't the protagonist who was gay, or if the one or two books I bothered to pick up were well-written. The only criteria is the cause though! It intensely frustrates me. And I do think they used some library funds on this too, and not just club funds, which means that's a few books I might've liked the library never got because they were too busy picking literature based on a cause. Plus my little sister is going to have to go there next year, and feel intensely uncomfortable because her beliefs don't match everyone else's. I don't think that's fair.
Just out of curiosity, what religion are her parents?
You say that your mom would shoot herself before becoming gay. Exaggeration or not, if one of your siblings was gay, how do you think that would make that sibling feel?
It's their right to protest, they're not hurting anyone...
Haha, and why can't you read those new books? Or I mean, do you have any reason to believe that the books have no real substance? And do you really have to like every book that goes into the library? Is the education of others a bad thing because it inconveniences you?
Maybe your sister needs to re-think her beliefs.
Right or wrong, my beliefs haven't matched the majority's since elementary school.
It's good for you. Sometimes the crowd is right, sometimes the entire lot of them is being stupid. Either way, it's never good to be a sheep.Thanks for doing that. ^^ My parents are the same religion as I am. (Though I think my dad has some weird beliefs...) And if my little sister thought she was gay, she'd probably do what I'd do-tell mom and we'd all pray about it and help support her in stopping to feel that way. It wouldn't be a problem anyway, because the two of us have always felt like God's gonna pick out the guys He wants us to marry, so neither of us really date as it is. It's not just religious thing either-in our family people don't tend to date until they're ready to get married. My sister and I skipped the giggling over boys phase, and my brother...I don't know what he did, but he was hardly girl-crazy. The worst thing that might happen to her is she could become more suicidal, but mom and I would tell her the Lord wants her here, and that's it's not sin as long as she doesn't act on it. It'd turn out alright. I can't read those books because the characters are so shallow! I picked up on for lack of book, and it was all he said, she said, high school drama. Plus I can't relate to a gay character. I think they portray it inaccurately. And I want fantasy. crying And no, but I'd like to enjoy a significant portion of them. Is that wrong? I'd rather not have her friends peer pressure her into changing her beliefs, which is likely. And I see no problem with her evaluating her beliefs, but that's not what's going to happen. She'll go to school and essentially be made to shut her mouth, and then she'll come home upset with the gay friendly atmosphere at school. My mom and I will have to handle her being stressed out (which is not fun), and all for a cause we all think is wrong. Please don't tell me you think this is a good thing... On another more cynical note, try an experiment with me. Change the word and references to "gay" to "n*gger" and go back 50 years. Seem familiar?
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Posted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:59 pm
divineseraph xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx brainnsoup xxEternallyBluexx That bugged me because I think the Pro-life people were doing it first and a lot of my friends were participating so I didn't have a lot of people to talk to. And one of them got mad at me for not participating. >.< Plus the LGBT group at my school keeps spamming the library with book about homosexuality which would bug me even if I wasn't a Christian. I can't find anything new to read that isn't about a gay kid trying to find him/herself. stressed I want a library with well-written books, not one where they're all about supporting a cause. crying (this would bug me even if it was a cause I believed in, btw. If they were all about Christians trying to find their place in the world, I still wouldn't like it).
Or think, should I get mad when my friends want to go to church on Sunday mornings because if they go I don't have anything to do?
Same with the library, should I burn every copy of "She Said Yes" or any other books designed to inspire Christian faith because I don't have any?
Especially considering that it's still hard to come to terms with one's homosexuality in a lot of parts of the country. Our society says that it is something to be proud of and embraced. But the idea still lingers that it is something to be ashamed of and essentially a disease.
And what if your peers are in that second camp? Or your parents?
The high school years are tough enough.
I didn't participate though. :l I thought it was kind of ironic since silence has done absolutely nothing to change how society looks at homosexuality. XD
@divineseraph: Haha, to be honest, I try to avoid using the word myself because each time I get an image of some idiot saying that his opponent is "just ignorant" because he (the idiot) doesn't understand his opponent's argument. Such an abused word...The silence thing just annoyed me, and the fact one of my friend's is mad at me well, wouldn't it annoy you if a friend kept pushing you going to church? This friend is a Muslim, but she just keeps pushing stuff I don't like, including stuff outside the Islamic faith. I think she's only Islamic to rebel against her parents. >.< No, I just don't like the fact they're letting one idea dominate the library. And like I said before, it'd bug me for almost anything they were pushing, especially since I don't consider something like gay marriage life and death. ....not gonna say what I'm thinking, I'll get jumped on.... You mean gay. XD Some of my peers are, but my mom would probably sooner shoot herself then become gay. With my dad living so far away though, it hardly impacts me what he does. So back to my peers...we have an understanding-I don't tell them they're going to Hell or how much I don't support it, they don't shove it in my face they're gay. That's my point too! With the pro-life people they do it as a day of mourning for the babies killed, and the voices that will never be heard...I brought it up in my art class though, and the kids told me to shut it. I hate my school sometimes. stressed --------------------------- Not like that! They're human, we're all equal, and they have every right to use the library. I just don't see why the club donating all the gay literature when half of them don't even read much. And yes, it annoys me that all of those books are about being gay! Is that a crime, considering I read a book a day and the place I go for a significant portion of my books has tons of new books I can't read? I wouldn't even have as much of a problem if some of them were fantasy, or it wasn't the protagonist who was gay, or if the one or two books I bothered to pick up were well-written. The only criteria is the cause though! It intensely frustrates me. And I do think they used some library funds on this too, and not just club funds, which means that's a few books I might've liked the library never got because they were too busy picking literature based on a cause. Plus my little sister is going to have to go there next year, and feel intensely uncomfortable because her beliefs don't match everyone else's. I don't think that's fair.
Just out of curiosity, what religion are her parents?
You say that your mom would shoot herself before becoming gay. Exaggeration or not, if one of your siblings was gay, how do you think that would make that sibling feel?
It's their right to protest, they're not hurting anyone...
Haha, and why can't you read those new books? Or I mean, do you have any reason to believe that the books have no real substance? And do you really have to like every book that goes into the library? Is the education of others a bad thing because it inconveniences you?
Maybe your sister needs to re-think her beliefs.
Right or wrong, my beliefs haven't matched the majority's since elementary school.
It's good for you. Sometimes the crowd is right, sometimes the entire lot of them is being stupid. Either way, it's never good to be a sheep.Thanks for doing that. ^^ My parents are the same religion as I am. (Though I think my dad has some weird beliefs...) And if my little sister thought she was gay, she'd probably do what I'd do-tell mom and we'd all pray about it and help support her in stopping to feel that way. It wouldn't be a problem anyway, because the two of us have always felt like God's gonna pick out the guys He wants us to marry, so neither of us really date as it is. It's not just religious thing either-in our family people don't tend to date until they're ready to get married. My sister and I skipped the giggling over boys phase, and my brother...I don't know what he did, but he was hardly girl-crazy. The worst thing that might happen to her is she could become more suicidal, but mom and I would tell her the Lord wants her here, and that's it's not sin as long as she doesn't act on it. It'd turn out alright. I can't read those books because the characters are so shallow! I picked up on for lack of book, and it was all he said, she said, high school drama. Plus I can't relate to a gay character. I think they portray it inaccurately. And I want fantasy. crying And no, but I'd like to enjoy a significant portion of them. Is that wrong? I'd rather not have her friends peer pressure her into changing her beliefs, which is likely. And I see no problem with her evaluating her beliefs, but that's not what's going to happen. She'll go to school and essentially be made to shut her mouth, and then she'll come home upset with the gay friendly atmosphere at school. My mom and I will have to handle her being stressed out (which is not fun), and all for a cause we all think is wrong. Please don't tell me you think this is a good thing... It IS a good thing because your sister is wrong. Your mother would force her to like a gender she didn't? Imagine if your mother was rabidly pro-gay, and wanted to force YOU to like v****a and other women. You'd go to hell, in her estimation, if you didn't. It's OK, though- Just don't act on your want for guys, and God will still love you. You will learn to like the v****a. Am I right? On another more cynical note, try an experiment with me. Change the word and references to "gay" to "n*gger" and go back 50 years. Seem familiar? What's v****a? And actually, she'd probably choose to do that herself. Mom wouldn't tell her not to go out with girls because she doesn't tend to go out anyway...Besides, again, we don't tend to date. It makes it really easy not to act on it when we don't usually date in my family until we're ready to start a family. Besides it's my family. That's the way it is with us, and just because people here don't agree with it, doesn't make it wrong. We wouldn't tell her it's not a sin, because we don't believe that. We would help her through it though, because it's what she'd want. (And she's more anti-gay then I am, btw. She wouldn't even consider that being gay was okay, so even if mom and I suddenly changed our minds and told her it was fine, she'd say we were lying. XP ) Not at all. If gay people really don't have a choice, then they can still pretend, whereas those of African American descent couldn't even pretend to be Caucasian. If they do have a choice, then it's a sin and everyone's making a fuss over nothing. I'm not going to sympathize with those with a sexual preference problem the way I would someone being discriminated against because of they skin they wear. It might be similar in one way though. I'd have a hard time if all the books in the library were about being black too, because I wouldn't be able to relate. It wouldn't annoy me in the same way, I guess, but I'd still find it irritating.
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