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 Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:22 pm
divineseraph Captain_Shinzo divineseraph Captain_Shinzo divineseraph Captain_Shinzo No, you need to know that doing it in your occasion is bad. I mean, not everyone feels a pain nor do I know if they do feel anything. That is more of feeling something then knowing. For all we know, that's just guilt. The reason for such guilt also plays a nice factor. What is your point? They feel bad. That's it. So... isn't that supporting my point, that there IS a way to know right from wrong without God having to specifically come down once a month and say "Hey, you're still not supposed to kill, steal, hurt others..." So you need to be afraid to be good? A killer who is only afraid for his self is clearly evil, working on a complex where nobody else matters. You don't need to be told this is wrong, and such a coldness is not a normal reaction- It is one that is conditioned and slid into.
Not feeling bad after killing someone is not a normal reaction? To be honest, I don't think there is such a thing as a normal reaction when it comes to killing. There could be multiple kinds of killing.
Besides that, I still can't see how assuming someone would feel bad after killing someone, by an assumption, I mean assuming most would, proves that self experience is good enough.
( Not to mention you proved my point with the heartless person you spoke of. If someone becomes heartless, it is obviously from self experience of life.)So again, how does this come against what I was saying? If you felt like killing someone, for money or for whatever reason, you would feel no guilt except for the fear of being caught? Really? There are many types of killing, this is true. Which is why some are justifiable, such as self defense. Otherwise, if you are a normal human being who hasn't killed their own soul, you will feel something.
That still doesn't get through the fact you are assuming that everyone will feel some kind of guilt after committing something bad.
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Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:07 am
Captain_Shinzo divineseraph Captain_Shinzo divineseraph Captain_Shinzo That isn't exactly what I was trying to say. More of the lines of assuming that they would feel bad after murder is pretty much a guess. and if someone is guilty of death, the reason they would hate it could also play a factor like being scared of being arrested or such. So you need to be afraid to be good? A killer who is only afraid for his self is clearly evil, working on a complex where nobody else matters. You don't need to be told this is wrong, and such a coldness is not a normal reaction- It is one that is conditioned and slid into.
Not feeling bad after killing someone is not a normal reaction? To be honest, I don't think there is such a thing as a normal reaction when it comes to killing. There could be multiple kinds of killing.
Besides that, I still can't see how assuming someone would feel bad after killing someone, by an assumption, I mean assuming most would, proves that self experience is good enough.
( Not to mention you proved my point with the heartless person you spoke of. If someone becomes heartless, it is obviously from self experience of life.)So again, how does this come against what I was saying? If you felt like killing someone, for money or for whatever reason, you would feel no guilt except for the fear of being caught? Really? There are many types of killing, this is true. Which is why some are justifiable, such as self defense. Otherwise, if you are a normal human being who hasn't killed their own soul, you will feel something.
That still doesn't get through the fact you are assuming that everyone will feel some kind of guilt after committing something bad.Find me one who won,t and I'll show you someone who killed their own soul. And we're back here again. Not pulling our a** our of the fire every time we jump back in isn't for a lack of love- We need to figure out how not to be stupid on our own, or we'll just keep doing it.
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Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:46 pm
divineseraph Captain_Shinzo divineseraph Captain_Shinzo divineseraph Captain_Shinzo That isn't exactly what I was trying to say. More of the lines of assuming that they would feel bad after murder is pretty much a guess. and if someone is guilty of death, the reason they would hate it could also play a factor like being scared of being arrested or such. So you need to be afraid to be good? A killer who is only afraid for his self is clearly evil, working on a complex where nobody else matters. You don't need to be told this is wrong, and such a coldness is not a normal reaction- It is one that is conditioned and slid into.
Not feeling bad after killing someone is not a normal reaction? To be honest, I don't think there is such a thing as a normal reaction when it comes to killing. There could be multiple kinds of killing.
Besides that, I still can't see how assuming someone would feel bad after killing someone, by an assumption, I mean assuming most would, proves that self experience is good enough.
( Not to mention you proved my point with the heartless person you spoke of. If someone becomes heartless, it is obviously from self experience of life.)So again, how does this come against what I was saying? If you felt like killing someone, for money or for whatever reason, you would feel no guilt except for the fear of being caught? Really? There are many types of killing, this is true. Which is why some are justifiable, such as self defense. Otherwise, if you are a normal human being who hasn't killed their own soul, you will feel something.
That still doesn't get through the fact you are assuming that everyone will feel some kind of guilt after committing something bad.Find me one who won,t and I'll show you someone who killed their own soul. And we're back here again. Not pulling our a** our of the fire every time we jump back in isn't for a lack of love- We need to figure out how not to be stupid on our own, or we'll just keep doing it.
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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:29 pm
Why are you asking flawed humans to answer this? We will have no clue what makes something perfect as we have never experienced perfection.
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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:50 pm
Spring Feline Why are you asking flawed humans to answer this? We will have no clue what makes something perfect as we have never experienced perfection.
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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:44 pm
Since we all have our own individual opinions, then each of us are going to have different definitions of perfect. It's like asking everyone what the best food in the world is. I guess that the perfect God would be able to be all things to all individuals.
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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:57 pm
Eltanin Sadachbia Since we all have our own individual opinions, then each of us are going to have different definitions of perfect. It's like asking everyone what the best food in the world is. I guess that the perfect God would be able to be all things to all individuals.
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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:42 pm
Then I suppose there is no perfect God by humanity's definition of perfect.
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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:10 pm
Captain_Shinzo divineseraph Captain_Shinzo divineseraph Captain_Shinzo It's not a killer should be afraid, but why he/she should be afraid and IF a killer is afraid. If someone commits murder for any reason, that doesn't mean they will always have some kind weird feeling inside of them. Most of the time, a killer is happy in the end because they killed someone. They may regret it if caught but they are happy if they got away scott-free.
Not feeling bad after killing someone is not a normal reaction? To be honest, I don't think there is such a thing as a normal reaction when it comes to killing. There could be multiple kinds of killing.
Besides that, I still can't see how assuming someone would feel bad after killing someone, by an assumption, I mean assuming most would, proves that self experience is good enough.
( Not to mention you proved my point with the heartless person you spoke of. If someone becomes heartless, it is obviously from self experience of life.) So again, how does this come against what I was saying? If you felt like killing someone, for money or for whatever reason, you would feel no guilt except for the fear of being caught? Really? There are many types of killing, this is true. Which is why some are justifiable, such as self defense. Otherwise, if you are a normal human being who hasn't killed their own soul, you will feel something.
That still doesn't get through the fact you are assuming that everyone will feel some kind of guilt after committing something bad.Find me one who won,t and I'll show you someone who killed their own soul. And we're back here again. Not pulling our a** our of the fire every time we jump back in isn't for a lack of love- We need to figure out how not to be stupid on our own, or we'll just keep doing it. But... it's pretty obvious. I don't have any trouble with it. Maybe I'm gifted. But even then, really? So if I say "cheating on the test is wrong" and you cheat, and I fail you... that's MY fault for making sure you didn't cheat? Huh. And that still doesn't answer WHY a perfect being must help and imperfect being.
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Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:48 pm
divineseraph Captain_Shinzo divineseraph Captain_Shinzo divineseraph Captain_Shinzo It's not a killer should be afraid, but why he/she should be afraid and IF a killer is afraid. If someone commits murder for any reason, that doesn't mean they will always have some kind weird feeling inside of them. Most of the time, a killer is happy in the end because they killed someone. They may regret it if caught but they are happy if they got away scott-free.
Not feeling bad after killing someone is not a normal reaction? To be honest, I don't think there is such a thing as a normal reaction when it comes to killing. There could be multiple kinds of killing.
Besides that, I still can't see how assuming someone would feel bad after killing someone, by an assumption, I mean assuming most would, proves that self experience is good enough.
( Not to mention you proved my point with the heartless person you spoke of. If someone becomes heartless, it is obviously from self experience of life.) So again, how does this come against what I was saying? If you felt like killing someone, for money or for whatever reason, you would feel no guilt except for the fear of being caught? Really? There are many types of killing, this is true. Which is why some are justifiable, such as self defense. Otherwise, if you are a normal human being who hasn't killed their own soul, you will feel something.
That still doesn't get through the fact you are assuming that everyone will feel some kind of guilt after committing something bad.Find me one who won,t and I'll show you someone who killed their own soul. And we're back here again. Not pulling our a** our of the fire every time we jump back in isn't for a lack of love- We need to figure out how not to be stupid on our own, or we'll just keep doing it. But... it's pretty obvious. I don't have any trouble with it. Maybe I'm gifted. But even then, really? So if I say "cheating on the test is wrong" and you cheat, and I fail you... that's MY fault for making sure you didn't cheat? Huh. And that still doesn't answer WHY a perfect being must help and imperfect being.
It is actually the case on why a being should have made it to where beings are imperfect in the first place. But if we are getting to the point of why a being must help another being, why not? A perfect being do not NEED help, but a perfect being does. They are imperfect, and therefor bound to screw up.
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 8:15 am
Captain_Shinzo divineseraph Captain_Shinzo divineseraph Captain_Shinzo
That still doesn't get through the fact you are assuming that everyone will feel some kind of guilt after committing something bad.Find me one who won,t and I'll show you someone who killed their own soul. And we're back here again. Not pulling our a** our of the fire every time we jump back in isn't for a lack of love- We need to figure out how not to be stupid on our own, or we'll just keep doing it. But... it's pretty obvious. I don't have any trouble with it. Maybe I'm gifted. But even then, really? So if I say "cheating on the test is wrong" and you cheat, and I fail you... that's MY fault for making sure you didn't cheat? Huh. And that still doesn't answer WHY a perfect being must help and imperfect being.
It is actually the case on why a being should have made it to where beings are imperfect in the first place. But if we are getting to the point of why a being must help another being, why not? A perfect being do not NEED help, but a perfect being does. They are imperfect, and therefor bound to screw up.What have we not been warned about? I have no idea what you are talking about anymore, seriously. The possibility to fail is key to any test. That's the whole point. If it's one multiple choice question where every answer is the same, that's not really a test. Why? Because we are on a different realm, a different level. There are 10 levels to God, ranging from Unconscious Creation to Foundation. Essentially, we don't even fit on the grid because we exist in the physical plane. Because we are physical, our bodies are temporary, aging, diseased, and imperfect. We are simply not on the same level of God because that's not how and explosion works. Imagine creation as an explosion- In the center it is white heat. Perfect energy. Towards the outside it forms into fireballs of varying heat, and outside of that is a cloud of thick smoke and debris. We are the debris. Because of that, we are simply not on the same level. You have yet to explain WHY a perfect being MUST help imperfect beings. ESPECIALLY in the context of a test.
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:31 pm
Captain_Shinzo Spring Feline Why are you asking flawed humans to answer this? We will have no clue what makes something perfect as we have never experienced perfection. I disagree. Why would lesser beings understand a greater one, except in a limited way?
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:35 pm
Because if the point of learning is self experience, I would have to experience the event itself which means it would need to have already happen. To learn fire is hot, I would have to burn my hand. However, my hand would be burned. That is my point.
Debris? I will agree with you on that.
That is IF God is perfect. However, you fail to state why a perfect being SHOULDN'T help imperfect beings if he is considered all loving. Now if we are speaking of being here as a test, that MIGHT be something. However, if we die too early than we can't exactly fulfill the test now can we?
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:38 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo Spring Feline Why are you asking flawed humans to answer this? We will have no clue what makes something perfect as we have never experienced perfection. I disagree. Why would lesser beings understand a greater one, except in a limited way?
MY question is, Why can't lesser beings understand a greater one?
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Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:38 pm
Eltanin Sadachbia Since we all have our own individual opinions, then each of us are going to have different definitions of perfect. It's like asking everyone what the best food in the world is. I guess that the perfect God would be able to be all things to all individuals. That's assuming all individuals desire perfection. A perfect God wouldn't need to be all things, He would just have to be the ultimate good, with unlimited power, knowledge and wisdom.
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