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 Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:07 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Shiori Miko xxEternallyBluexx DaikonNairu -Ren- xxEternallyBluexx And anyway God gave us the animals to do what we would with, but we're not supposed to murder each other. So, there's nothing wrong with animal cruelty in the eyes of your god? You could leave a dog in a hot car without the windows rolled down for 8 hours or more and that would be fine? No that's sick and wrong. sad We're supposed to be responsible for animals, but killing a mosquito is fine. Humans come before animal, but animals should be looked after because He gave us stewardship over them. I'll keep that in mind if I ever come across both a serial killer and a search dog in distress. Humans first. rolleyes Well, yeah humans first. Even if it's a completely horrible serial killer versus a loving dog. According to my belief, nothing bad happens to an animal who dies, but bad things can happen to people, so I'd choose to keep the human alive over the dog just because I know the dog would be cared for, while the man needs a chance to find salvation. And society disagrees with your belief that animals and people are equal. That's why the punishment for child abuse is worse then the punishment for animal abuse. And what makes an organism important? So what if society disagrees with me? I'm an Atheist vegetarian high school drop out, I'm used to that s**t.
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:26 pm
Semiremis xxEternallyBluexx Shiori Miko xxEternallyBluexx DaikonNairu -Ren- xxEternallyBluexx And anyway God gave us the animals to do what we would with, but we're not supposed to murder each other. So, there's nothing wrong with animal cruelty in the eyes of your god? You could leave a dog in a hot car without the windows rolled down for 8 hours or more and that would be fine? No that's sick and wrong. sad We're supposed to be responsible for animals, but killing a mosquito is fine. Humans come before animal, but animals should be looked after because He gave us stewardship over them. I'll keep that in mind if I ever come across both a serial killer and a search dog in distress. Humans first. rolleyes Well, yeah humans first. Even if it's a completely horrible serial killer versus a loving dog. According to my belief, nothing bad happens to an animal who dies, but bad things can happen to people, so I'd choose to keep the human alive over the dog just because I know the dog would be cared for, while the man needs a chance to find salvation. And society disagrees with your belief that animals and people are equal. That's why the punishment for child abuse is worse then the punishment for animal abuse. And what makes an organism important? Really? You'd save the one that might turn around and kill you right after? If it were choice between my dog or a stranger I'd probably go with my dog. If it was a random cute little puppy over a known serial killer, I'd probably save the cute little puppy dog. I wonder what the legal implications would be. Yeah. But I'd grab a stick and be prepared to knock them out. Serial killers tend to be less smart and brave then the media gives them credit for anyway. I don't know...but yeah, in almost every case I'd save the human over the animal (even if it was my cat, whom I adore heart ), unless the Lord directed me to act otherwise. I'd just see the animal in Heaven later anyways, and God can take better care of an animal then I ever could. The only case where I would have a lot of trouble doing that is if it was a endangered animal in danger, like a tiger or a panda.
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:37 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Semiremis xxEternallyBluexx Shiori Miko xxEternallyBluexx No that's sick and wrong. sad We're supposed to be responsible for animals, but killing a mosquito is fine. Humans come before animal, but animals should be looked after because He gave us stewardship over them. I'll keep that in mind if I ever come across both a serial killer and a search dog in distress. Humans first. rolleyes Well, yeah humans first. Even if it's a completely horrible serial killer versus a loving dog. According to my belief, nothing bad happens to an animal who dies, but bad things can happen to people, so I'd choose to keep the human alive over the dog just because I know the dog would be cared for, while the man needs a chance to find salvation. And society disagrees with your belief that animals and people are equal. That's why the punishment for child abuse is worse then the punishment for animal abuse. And what makes an organism important? Really? You'd save the one that might turn around and kill you right after? If it were choice between my dog or a stranger I'd probably go with my dog. If it was a random cute little puppy over a known serial killer, I'd probably save the cute little puppy dog. I wonder what the legal implications would be. Yeah. But I'd grab a stick and be prepared to knock them out. Serial killers tend to be less smart and brave then the media gives them credit for anyway. I don't know...but yeah, in almost every case I'd save the human over the animal (even if it was my cat, whom I adore heart ), unless the Lord directed me to act otherwise. I'd just see the animal in Heaven later anyways, and God can take better care of an animal then I ever could. The only case where I would have a lot of trouble doing that is if it was a endangered animal in danger, like a tiger or a panda. My dog is like a baby in the family, she's very over protected and spoiled by me and my siblings. Her value to me is far greater than most people in the world so there really is no decision when it comes to the serial killer...but really? You'd save the killer and grab a stick? I'd tell him to make peace with God, and to do it fast. Then I'd walk away with my dog and leave it in God's hands.
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:47 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Semiremis xxEternallyBluexx Shiori Miko xxEternallyBluexx No that's sick and wrong. sad We're supposed to be responsible for animals, but killing a mosquito is fine. Humans come before animal, but animals should be looked after because He gave us stewardship over them. I'll keep that in mind if I ever come across both a serial killer and a search dog in distress. Humans first. rolleyes Well, yeah humans first. Even if it's a completely horrible serial killer versus a loving dog. According to my belief, nothing bad happens to an animal who dies, but bad things can happen to people, so I'd choose to keep the human alive over the dog just because I know the dog would be cared for, while the man needs a chance to find salvation. And society disagrees with your belief that animals and people are equal. That's why the punishment for child abuse is worse then the punishment for animal abuse. And what makes an organism important? Really? You'd save the one that might turn around and kill you right after? If it were choice between my dog or a stranger I'd probably go with my dog. If it was a random cute little puppy over a known serial killer, I'd probably save the cute little puppy dog. I wonder what the legal implications would be. Yeah. But I'd grab a stick and be prepared to knock them out. Serial killers tend to be less smart and brave then the media gives them credit for anyway. I don't know...but yeah, in almost every case I'd save the human over the animal (even if it was my cat, whom I adore heart ), unless the Lord directed me to act otherwise. I'd just see the animal in Heaven later anyways, and God can take better care of an animal then I ever could. The only case where I would have a lot of trouble doing that is if it was a endangered animal in danger, like a tiger or a panda.
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:35 am
Calelith Shadows-shine DaikonNairu -Ren- Someoneiknow Then how is it fair that a man has to pay child support for 18 years? 18 years is a lot longer than a fat gut for 9 months. It is not physically damaging for a father to pay child support. It is however damaging for a woman to carry and give birth to a child. How is it damaging for a woman to carry a child? I wasn't damaged in any way shape or form, emotionall, physically, mentally...
Not all women have perfect pregnancies.
One of my good friends, all but one of her pregnancies were high risk because her body considered the fetus as an invading force and did everything it could to attack the baby, the placenta, and itself in order to get the force out. In her final pregnancy she miscarried one of the twins because of that exact reason.
That's hardly a majority occurrence. Laws and morality are based on the majority occurrence of situations. Along the lines of "this is what can be considered the general norm, therefore, morality dictates this," and so on. In general, pregnancy causes some changes in a woman's life and body, but it is not damaging. My wife is the mother of all four of my children, and our fifth child is due at the end of April. She is just as beautiful, just as healthy, and just as capable (and more experienced) than she was before. Maybe moreso, because she has matured.
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:37 am
zabazor It is not in their body, so I think they should have no say. Now if we can implant the child in the male urethra (largest part of the sex organ other than the scrotum) then he can have the choice. Oh, absolutely. Just like, back in the 1700s and 1800s, with the African Americans, it wasn't THEIR country, they should have absolutely no say. I mean, it's not like the male contributed half of the genetic material of the child, and it's not like it was the woman's equal responsibility to consider birth control methods. Not at all. Nope. rolleyes
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:44 am
Shiori Miko No, the baby is not her body but it is a parasite. It takes from her body to nurish itself. If the women does not want the baby, it's stealing from her. If it was a bug or something doing that, would you issue with her taking medicine to get rid of the parasite? I despise this argument. I hate it more than any other pro-abortion argument that has ever occurred. A baby is NOT a parasite. A parasite is an alien organism, not of the same species, that detrimentally derives it's nourishment from a host organism. A baby is NOT a parasite. A baby is a human in the process of development. What a horrible, disgusting, despicable viewpoint to take. This viewpoint is offensive to me. Some will say that it's a view that this person has a right to hold, and I agree. This is also my viewpoint to hold.
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:52 am
Shiori Miko xxEternallyBluexx DaikonNairu -Ren- xxEternallyBluexx And anyway God gave us the animals to do what we would with, but we're not supposed to murder each other. So, there's nothing wrong with animal cruelty in the eyes of your god? You could leave a dog in a hot car without the windows rolled down for 8 hours or more and that would be fine? No that's sick and wrong. sad We're supposed to be responsible for animals, but killing a mosquito is fine. Humans come before animal, but animals should be looked after because He gave us stewardship over them. I'll keep that in mind if I ever come across both a serial killer and a search dog in distress. Humans first. rolleyes And the likelihood of this happening is...? You'd see someone is distress, total stranger, and instantly know, "Hey, this person is a serial killer. I should save that dog instead." How clairvoyant.
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:58 am
Shiori Miko xxEternallyBluexx Shiori Miko Semiremis Shiori Miko No, the baby is not her body but it is a parasite. It takes from her body to nurish itself. If the women does not want the baby, it's stealing from her. If it was a bug or something doing that, would you issue with her taking medicine to get rid of the parasite? but it's not a bug... It's human. Why does a human's life have more value than a bug's life? I shouldn't of researched Buddhism, I feel bad whenever I slap a mosquito. Because most bugs barely even have a brain. There's things that make life worth living, which I doubt a mosquito knows anything about. And anyway God gave us the animals to do what we would with, but we're not supposed to murder each other. Just so you know I'm vegetarian because I view an animal's life just as important as I would a human's. To borrow your own example... What about a blood parasite that was killing you? Or a tapeworm? Or a botfly larvae, the warble? They deserve to live too, right? Would you pull a botfly larvae out of your skin before it is ready to emerge on it's own, thereby killing it, or would you allow it to live and tunnel through your skin, eating your flesh and muscle? It is a life too. It might be someone you knew, reincarnated. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23eimVLAQ2cValue ALL life. All of it.
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:05 am
Someoneiknow divineseraph I don't think anyone should have a say in abortion. A fetus is a human being, as proven by basic biology. Nobody has the right to kill another human being, except in the most dire of circumstances in which one's life is in physical danger. Namely, self defense. Roughly 75% or more of all abortions are done out of convenience, and not because of a significant health risk or from rape, which removes implied consent from the picture. The means of pregnancy are well known, it is not a random malignancy or a happenstance that occurs for no reason- One has to have sex to become pregnant, and there is as much implied consent to possible pregnancy as there is stepping into a boxing ring and being possibly punched. This said, with consent to pregnancy and knowing that the fetus is a human being by the most basic of definitions, it is morally and ethically wrong to kill this human being except, again, in dire circumstance. The pro-life stance is not telling women what to do, and it is not an issue for women alone. NOBODY should kill a fetus, be it a priest, a doctor, a man, a woman, black or white. It is no more an invasion of rights and privacy than laws against murder, barring a cruel, malicious act of violence against other human beings. I agree whole heartedly with you. I also find that most women who say they are "raped" are just trying to provide an escape for what they know they did was wrong. More or less a justification of getting an abortion. Pure psychology would say that if a woman was even arguing that they had an abortion because of said "rape" they were never really "raped" but half heartedly consented to sex but didn't really know what they were getting themselves into, because the fact that women who were actually truthfully raped are to ashamed and scared to admit they were raped. This is bull. My wife was raped. Our eldest child might not even be mine. She came out and told me. She wasn't too ashamed to admit it. More real world experience and understanding before making such an abominable statement, please. Thanks in advance.
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:08 am
Shiori Miko xxEternallyBluexx Shiori Miko xxEternallyBluexx DaikonNairu -Ren- xxEternallyBluexx And anyway God gave us the animals to do what we would with, but we're not supposed to murder each other. So, there's nothing wrong with animal cruelty in the eyes of your god? You could leave a dog in a hot car without the windows rolled down for 8 hours or more and that would be fine? No that's sick and wrong. sad We're supposed to be responsible for animals, but killing a mosquito is fine. Humans come before animal, but animals should be looked after because He gave us stewardship over them. I'll keep that in mind if I ever come across both a serial killer and a search dog in distress. Humans first. rolleyes Well, yeah humans first. Even if it's a completely horrible serial killer versus a loving dog. According to my belief, nothing bad happens to an animal who dies, but bad things can happen to people, so I'd choose to keep the human alive over the dog just because I know the dog would be cared for, while the man needs a chance to find salvation. And society disagrees with your belief that animals and people are equal. That's why the punishment for child abuse is worse then the punishment for animal abuse. And what makes an organism important? So what if society disagrees with me? I'm an Atheist vegetarian high school drop out, I'm used to that s**t. Which suddenly explains quite a bit of why your worldview seems so skewed. Majority understanding is such for a reason. Especially when morality is involved.
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:09 am
Beorc, you're my new favorite person.
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:25 am
Beorc, your pretty awesome. Although I'm not sure if your anti-Atheist or whatever. I couldn't tell. XD
I'm pro-abortion only because it is probably needed.
Not just for population problems or possibly a bad life, but because sometimes it is just not needed.
I mean, you probably shouldn't be the person who goes around getting pounding once a week and getting abortions all the time but if it is really needed, than you might as well.
AND if you want to look at this from a Christian view more than a Atheistic view, if there was a afterlife, I'm sure the child would be better in that place than where it couldn't be taken care of.
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:30 am
Shiori Miko xxEternallyBluexx Shiori Miko xxEternallyBluexx DaikonNairu -Ren- xxEternallyBluexx And anyway God gave us the animals to do what we would with, but we're not supposed to murder each other. So, there's nothing wrong with animal cruelty in the eyes of your god? You could leave a dog in a hot car without the windows rolled down for 8 hours or more and that would be fine? No that's sick and wrong. sad We're supposed to be responsible for animals, but killing a mosquito is fine. Humans come before animal, but animals should be looked after because He gave us stewardship over them. I'll keep that in mind if I ever come across both a serial killer and a search dog in distress. Humans first. rolleyes Well, yeah humans first. Even if it's a completely horrible serial killer versus a loving dog. According to my belief, nothing bad happens to an animal who dies, but bad things can happen to people, so I'd choose to keep the human alive over the dog just because I know the dog would be cared for, while the man needs a chance to find salvation. And society disagrees with your belief that animals and people are equal. That's why the punishment for child abuse is worse then the punishment for animal abuse. And what makes an organism important? So what if society disagrees with me? I'm an Atheist vegetarian high school drop out, I'm used to that s**t.
I mean, I never understood being a vegetarian unless you saw those videos about how animals are treated in factories.
Me? I go to a restaurant and get a big slab of steak or something big in meat.
I care for animals but I eat them too. Circle of life.
Sure, All life should be "cherished and worshiped", I just cherish my taste more sometimes. It's not rare for animals to be eaten anyway and it is actually good to lower population problems.
Highschool drop out? Really? I can't really say this is good at all.
Point is, a human's life is more than an animals because it can do more and, frankly, a human can connect with me far more than any animal.
So yeah, do your time and share of helping animals but also think of your own well being and outside that.
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:25 am
Captain_Shinzo Beorc, your pretty awesome. Although I'm not sure if your anti-Atheist or whatever. I couldn't tell. XD Vengeful Elegance Beorc, you're my new favorite person. *chuckles* Thanks. I do my best. :3 As for anti-atheist, I'm not anti any religion (or lack thereof). I personally believe that there is a Creator. If someone else doesn't, hey, fine by me. Doesn't change my beliefs one whit. Captain_Shinzo I'm pro-abortion only because it is probably needed.
Not just for population problems or possibly a bad life, but because sometimes it is just not needed.
I mean, you probably shouldn't be the person who goes around getting pounding once a week and getting abortions all the time but if it is really needed, than you might as well.
AND if you want to look at this from a Christian view more than a Atheistic view, if there was a afterlife, I'm sure the child would be better in that place than where it couldn't be taken care of. As for abortions, I am personally, emotionally anti-abortion (not just pro life, but anti-abortion entirely... No matter the circumstances, it was never the baby's fault for being conceived... We don't even put rapists to death all the time in this country, but we murder unborn children daily and legally. A sad commentary...). That being said... I am logically and politically pro choice... to an extent. I don't believe a woman should be forced to carry a baby that could kill her, or is the baby of a rapist, or is the product of forced incest, or will be so horribly deformed or handicapped that no proximity of normal function could ever be achieved... there are medical reasons that might necessitate an abortion. My wife would refuse (I know her well enough to say that) but, in the case of a baby threatening her life, I would rather her get an abortion. I love my babies more than anything else on the face of the planet... but I love her as well. I fervently pray that I am never faced with that decision. But, for the love of the Gods, if you medically have to have an abortion or die, do it early. Take a morning after pill. Eat a lot of ginger. Get your bloody tubes tied if it's that dangerous for you get pregnant. get on the pill. Get an IUD. Don't start a life, just to kill it. Abortion should NOT be just another form of birth control. If it's not okay to drown puppies, then why is it okay to chemically poison babies? And this whole 'partial birth abortion' thing.... I don't want to go there. It makes me sick, and breaks my heart. THAT is MURDER. Any doctor that has ever performed one of those should be shot. In the face. With a powerdrill.
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