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PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:25 pm


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Uhh... Why is it a big deal that he doesn't have American citizenship? You can still be an American in spirit even if you don't have a piece of paper that claims you belong there.
[1]because if he's not a citizen of the USA then he isn't suppose to be president. That is one of the requirements that the founding fathers set up.

[2] He lied. Even his wife has slipped up and said in public that he is from Kenya.

[3] In my opinion because he won't prove that he's a citizen or release any of his college records then he has something to hide.

[4] even if we do find out 100% that he's not a US Citizen...Nothing will happen. People like him too much in order to impeach him. Plus I don't think he'll be more than a one term president....
Then how did he get through. To be a citizen you had to have lived in the US for 7 years. How long has he been in the US?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:46 pm


Video Lack of Obama Birth Certificate Mentioned During U.S. House Debate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnF7uWokr0I



Arnold wanted to be president but couldn't cuz he was born in Russia. If you aren't born Inside the USA you can't be prez.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 5:00 pm


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Uhh... Why is it a big deal that he doesn't have American citizenship? You can still be an American in spirit even if you don't have a piece of paper that claims you belong there.
[1]because if he's not a citizen of the USA then he isn't suppose to be president. That is one of the requirements that the founding fathers set up.

[2] He lied. Even his wife has slipped up and said in public that he is from Kenya.

[3] In my opinion because he won't prove that he's a citizen or release any of his college records then he has something to hide.

[4] even if we do find out 100% that he's not a US Citizen...Nothing will happen. People like him too much in order to impeach him. Plus I don't think he'll be more than a one term president....
Then how did he get through. To be a citizen you had to have lived in the US for 7 years. How long has he been in the US?

Sometimes it takes a deprived person to show us what we truly deserve.

Times are changing and we're all dying.


Actually, I'm 92% sure that you have to be born as an American citizen to be president. This way a communist can't just come from over seas, build a reputation for seven years and then get elected.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 5:13 pm


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Uhh... Why is it a big deal that he doesn't have American citizenship? You can still be an American in spirit even if you don't have a piece of paper that claims you belong there.
[1]because if he's not a citizen of the USA then he isn't suppose to be president. That is one of the requirements that the founding fathers set up.

[2] He lied. Even his wife has slipped up and said in public that he is from Kenya.

[3] In my opinion because he won't prove that he's a citizen or release any of his college records then he has something to hide.

[4] even if we do find out 100% that he's not a US Citizen...Nothing will happen. People like him too much in order to impeach him. Plus I don't think he'll be more than a one term president....
Then how did he get through. To be a citizen you had to have lived in the US for 7 years. How long has he been in the US?

Sometimes it takes a deprived person to show us what we truly deserve.

Times are changing and we're all dying.


Actually, I'm 92% sure that you have to be born as an American citizen to be president. This way a communist can't just come from over seas, build a reputation for seven years and then get elected.


At one point, at least I thought, it was a requirement to be born American to be our president.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 8:51 pm


"Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

Term limit amendment - US Constitution, Amendment XXII, Section 1 – ratified February 27, 1951

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once." Source: http://www.presidentsusa.net/qualifications.html

"Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

* Anyone born inside the United States *
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example." Source: http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

Barack Obama qualifies as a natural born American citizen by way of his Hawaiian birth certificate.
PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 2:36 am


You know what? I think it's bull crap. They never proved he was born in Hawaii. They had an 'announcement' that he was born in Hawaii, but that was never proved real by his paperwork. I believe he's hiding it, because he was really born in Africa. But does it really matter at this point? I mean, even if we all find out for a fact that he was born in Africa? I don't think they're going to kick him out of the white house. ):

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:59 pm


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You know what? I think it's bull crap. They never proved he was born in Hawaii. They had an 'announcement' that he was born in Hawaii, but that was never proved real by his paperwork. I believe he's hiding it, because he was really born in Africa. But does it really matter at this point? I mean, even if we all find out for a fact that he was born in Africa? I don't think they're going to kick him out of the white house. ):


You don't get let into office if you can't prove your citizenship. A birth certificate was presented. It's not their job to take the birth certificate on parade so that every American can inspect it personally. If McCain had won there would never have been any of this fuss over citizenship.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:36 am


Um...Obama was born in Hawaii, which is one of the fifty states of America. His father is from African and his mother is from America. Someone said earlier that Obama was born in Kenya...um no. That would be his father. Turn off Glenn Beck. He is more of a liar than he makes democratic politicians to be.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:59 am


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You know what? I think it's bull crap. They never proved he was born in Hawaii. They had an 'announcement' that he was born in Hawaii, but that was never proved real by his paperwork. I believe he's hiding it, because he was really born in Africa. But does it really matter at this point? I mean, even if we all find out for a fact that he was born in Africa? I don't think they're going to kick him out of the white house. ):


I'm sorry, but your comment is a little offensive. I mean, even if he was born in Africa (which he was not...please not Obscurus' point), you are saying that he should be kicked out because of it? As if Africa is a real threat to us?
PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:43 pm


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Um...Obama was born in Hawaii, which is one of the fifty states of America. His father is from African and his mother is from America. Someone said earlier that Obama was born in Kenya...um no. That would be his father. Turn off Glenn Beck. He is more of a liar than he makes democratic politicians to be.


You just reminded me of something.

President Obama's father is Barack Obama Sr., and he was born in Africa. Gives me the impression that when people say that Barack Obama was born in Africa they're trying to twist the truth in such a way as to foster controversy.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:46 pm


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You know what? I think it's bull crap. They never proved he was born in Hawaii. They had an 'announcement' that he was born in Hawaii, but that was never proved real by his paperwork. I believe he's hiding it, because he was really born in Africa. But does it really matter at this point? I mean, even if we all find out for a fact that he was born in Africa? I don't think they're going to kick him out of the white house. ):


I'm sorry, but your comment is a little offensive. I mean, even if he was born in Africa (which he was not...please not Obscurus' point), you are saying that he should be kicked out because of it? As if Africa is a real threat to us?


I think they mean that if he was born in Africa then he wouldn't meet the requirements to be eligible for the presidency. In such a case, I think he should be removed from office as well. That said, there's no evidence to support that assertion.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:04 pm


Obama would have never got to office if he weren't an American citizen.

I'm pretty sure he wouldn't even get in the front door, metaphorically, of a campaign or election race if he couldn't prove his citizenship with some form of birth certificate. It's not that hard to prove or disprove a person's citizenship, if Obama were really a non-citizen, the conservative right would have overwhelming evidence by means of a lack of American birth certificate, or by proving that his mother isn't a citizen.

There's nothing to "find out" about Obama's citizenship. The fact that he was even allowed to campaign proves that, at some point, he had the birth certificate or other requisite documents to prove his citizenship. I suppose there's a chance of forgery or something, but I'd doubt it.

Even if he weren't born IN the U.S., that doesn't stop him from being a citizen. As Ob's post explains, there are other circumstances where a person, born off of U.S. soil, can be an American citizen.

I don't like Obama as a president, but I'm not going to try and put together such a weak strawman argument by claiming the guy "didn't prove" his citizenship, of all things. If you dislike him, there's plenty of other things to call him out on.

Also, Arnold was born in Austria. That's why his nickname is The Austrian Oak.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 2:21 pm


This is probably obvious, but there are different eligibility requirements for being able to run for a governorship versus the presidency. Arnold Schwarzenegger will never be eligible for the presidency under current law, despite having met the requirements for governorship of California. (I'm not positive on this, but I'm pretty sure the least of which is that you be a US citizen, naturalized or otherwise.)

Note: I'm not trying to disagree with or correct anyone; I'm merely pointing out that someone that qualifies for one may not qualify for the other.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2010 10:20 pm


That's true. Arnold was born in Austria to two parents who were only had citizenship in Austria. He immigrated and then became a citizen, so he's not a "natural born citizen."

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 12:08 am


Also, I may be reading this wrong, but even if President Obama were born in Kenya, he would still be a natural born citizen of the USA under this part of Title 8:

"* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)"

His father was an alien, but his mother was most definitely a citizen that lived here for longer than five years.
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