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Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:59 pm
Well, I can certainly answer the question of how somebody fat can get a boyfriend, since I come from a forum thats 90% or more horny teenage boys who practically worship fat girls. >_>
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:35 am
Shampoo_0405 My Mom tells me..(who is skinny as anything) "Jackie, you shouldn't be fat. Why don't you stop eating so much and control yourself. You are a monster and you are not looking very pretty. How will you ever have a boyfriend if you can't even wear a tank top outside with out show your arms? You see me, you dad, and your brother? We are not fat. We can control oursleves..so why can't you? It's sick to see fat people today..It's because of all the food now, which should go to kids straving everywhere else. Though, you need to learn to control yourself and stop it. You'll never be an actress if your fat. Who wants someone in there plays and is fat as a cow?" Isn't mothers so nice..She told me she was only being honest. I emotional eat..so afterwards I ate a whole box of pop tarts..Since I'm such a big cow and all. Don't know why people say mean things..I guess they have nothing better to do and they are people who want to push us around..They think because we are over weight we don't have feelings or something. eek Uh, no offense, Shampoo, but your mom's a b***h and I hate her. Not only is that a horrible thing to say to your kid, but she's totally wrong. It's not that there isn't enough food to feed people in other countries. Hell, the government pays farmers NOT to grow crops and stuff. The problem is getting the food to those other places that need it. Plus giving them free food doesn't solve the problem that they still aren't able to grow it themselves. So blaming world hunger on fat people is just stupid. It's like blaming baldness on people with long hair.
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 7:03 am
Korota Shampoo_0405 My Mom tells me..(who is skinny as anything) "Jackie, you shouldn't be fat. Why don't you stop eating so much and control yourself. You are a monster and you are not looking very pretty. How will you ever have a boyfriend if you can't even wear a tank top outside with out show your arms? You see me, you dad, and your brother? We are not fat. We can control oursleves..so why can't you? It's sick to see fat people today..It's because of all the food now, which should go to kids straving everywhere else. Though, you need to learn to control yourself and stop it. You'll never be an actress if your fat. Who wants someone in there plays and is fat as a cow?" Isn't mothers so nice..She told me she was only being honest. I emotional eat..so afterwards I ate a whole box of pop tarts..Since I'm such a big cow and all. Don't know why people say mean things..I guess they have nothing better to do and they are people who want to push us around..They think because we are over weight we don't have feelings or something. eek Uh, no offense, Shampoo, but your mom's a b***h and I hate her. Not only is that a horrible thing to say to your kid, but she's totally wrong. It's not that there isn't enough food to feed people in other countries. Hell, the government pays farmers NOT to grow crops and stuff. The problem is getting the food to those other places that need it. Plus giving them free food doesn't solve the problem that they still aren't able to grow it themselves. So blaming world hunger on fat people is just stupid. It's like blaming baldness on people with long hair. *agrees with Korota wholeheartedly* Your mother's comments were uncalled for...she needs a good a** whoopin' scream
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 8:55 am
Korota eek Uh, no offense, Shampoo, but your mom's a b***h and I hate her. Not only is that a horrible thing to say to your kid, but she's totally wrong. It's not that there isn't enough food to feed people in other countries. Hell, the government pays farmers NOT to grow crops and stuff. The problem is getting the food to those other places that need it. Plus giving them free food doesn't solve the problem that they still aren't able to grow it themselves. So blaming world hunger on fat people is just stupid. It's like blaming baldness on people with long hair. She is the biggest b***h you'll ever meet who fits in a size four pair of jeans. I try to ignore her and I kow what you said is the problem, but she doesn't listen to me like that, so I don't even bother to explain more. I'm old enough though to find ways to embarrass her in public and she hates that. So that's how I get back at her for saying rude things to me.
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 4:22 pm
Shampoo_0405 Korota eek Uh, no offense, Shampoo, but your mom's a b***h and I hate her. Not only is that a horrible thing to say to your kid, but she's totally wrong. It's not that there isn't enough food to feed people in other countries. Hell, the government pays farmers NOT to grow crops and stuff. The problem is getting the food to those other places that need it. Plus giving them free food doesn't solve the problem that they still aren't able to grow it themselves. So blaming world hunger on fat people is just stupid. It's like blaming baldness on people with long hair. She is the biggest b***h you'll ever meet who fits in a size four pair of jeans. I try to ignore her and I kow what you said is the problem, but she doesn't listen to me like that, so I don't even bother to explain more. I'm old enough though to find ways to embarrass her in public and she hates that. So that's how I get back at her for saying rude things to me. Ooh, what do you do? I wanna know. XD
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Posted: Sat Jun 25, 2005 11:08 pm
There's nothing wrong with being fat, IMO. I used to have huge problems with myself, because people always gave me so much negative feedback about being big. Fortunately I met a few people who didn't agree (one of them adores every pound of fat on me) and who went out of their way to make me feel good about myself, because they thought I was worth it. blaugh The odd thing is that all of them are stick-thin. mrgreen
Basically it's all a culture-thing. With the abundance of food nowadays in the Western world there seems to be a reversed trend, so to speak. When in the past you looked rich when you were fat, nowadays most extremely thin and so-called beautiful people are the rich (think a Paris Hilton or a Nicole Kidman). They can afford the trainers, the food-supplements, the high price of becoming so thin. Should there be a foodshortage anywhere soon (let's hope not) fat people would be the fashion again.
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 7:03 am
Well, the biggest reason people find it unattractive is their perceptions of beauty, which everyone who's posted in this thread have already stated, are skewed by the media. We're being told that to be healthy and beautiful you must be thin.
Sorry, they're wrong.
Beauty can be described by different people in different ways. To some people, a twiggy woman is gorgeous. To some people a middle-of-the-road-has-curves-in-all-the-right-places kind of woman is stunning. To some people very large, round women are what they want. It depends on the individual and a lot of times how they were raised. I was raised by an overweight mother who made sure I understood young that a person's size meant nothing. Whether skinny or fat, what mattered was the person. I was taught you never tease someone, but you especially never pick on someone because they're overweight. However, not everyone was raised like I was, or had it so ingrained in their heads that they heeded. Now, while some might be thinking, "Of course she didn't pick on them, she was probably chunky." I actually didn't get overweight until I was in high school. And then by the end of high school I had dropped it all once more, because while I respect anyone choice to remain overweight, I didn't like myself.
Now, aside from the way beauty can be translated, there's health reasons. While many have stated that an overweight person can be healthy, and you're right, I'm not disputing that, there are different kinds of healthy. Sure, the overweight dude in the corner might be able to run a marathon, but what do his joints look like from carrying all that excess weight around? Does he still have an discernable cartilage in his knees, ankles, hips, etc? And back to what some other people have said, there are many hormonal imbalances that come from being overweight. Commonly in women are thyroid dysfunction, which my mother has from years and years of being heavy. Also, in very large women, oftentimes their hormones estrogen and progesterone aren't produced adequately and/or in the right amounts, cycles etc. I've known many, many large women who's periods were either grossly irregular (and yes, that happens to women thick and thin all the time, but it has been shown to occur more frequenty among heavyset women) or even stop completely. One girl wasn't an athlete, so the physical act of playing a sport didn't hinder the process, but when she saw her doctor, and began dropping the pounds, it returned. The hormones just get tossed out of whack from having to be pumped so much and so frequently.
Both sexes can have high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and like I mentioned, osteoarthritis, where the weight being carried wears away the cartilage. There's also something called sleep apnea which are abnormal sleep patterns, often arising from large amounts of weight making it difficult to breathe while sleeping. As any heavy person, it's tricky to sleep on your back. You feel like you're getting a little squished. Well, people who're large and sleep on their back most or every night could develop sleep apnea, wherein they actually stop breathing for periods while sleeping, and suddenly gasp back to life, never waking up and thus never realizing they have this very dangerous problem. So while yeah, you might be able to run up a flight of stairs, or run a mile in eight minutes, that doesn't mean your body is suffering from being too heavy. Or too thin. Many of the same, and more which are different, apply to being too thin.
Yep, it sounds like I disapprove of all large people, but I don't. I do, however, want to make sure that people understand the desire to drop weight, as well as what can be happening if you don't. But if you want to be a bigger member of society, more power to you. If it makes you happy, just be careful, get physicals every year, and keep yourself safe.
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:47 am
they're jealous becuz we have better boobies. xd
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 10:56 am
Korota Ooh, what do you do? I wanna know. XD Little things..Like once we were shopping and she told me to get soda. I did, but then when I came back to the line she was in I held a coloring dye box she uses and yelled, so everyone heard. "IS THIS THE TYPE YOU USE!?" She was so pissed off, for some people who was around her..She knew from parties and they knew she said.."I never did anything with my hair. It's always the same color."
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 1:01 pm
While I am aware there are health risks to being largely overweight, in general the risks of excess weight have been vastly exaggerated, especially in recent times.
In addition, every body seems to have a different ideal weight, a different fat level at which they function best. In general the healthiest thing is to go for whatever feels right.
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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:17 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer While I am aware there are health risks to being largely overweight, in general the risks of excess weight have been vastly exaggerated, especially in recent times. In addition, every body seems to have a different ideal weight, a different fat level at which they function best. In general the healthiest thing is to go for whatever feels right. I agree, everyone's ideal weight level (healthfully speaking) is different, it's based on height, activity level, etc. What I don't get is what exactly you think is so vastly exaggerated.
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:43 am
Most people accociate being large with being unhealthy. Which is really not the case. You can be large and still be healthy. When it gets to the point where your out of breath going up the stairs then you may have crossed into that unhealthy area. I also think that those people who think fat are bad are the ones who are not comfortabe in their own skin. They like themselfs really and therefore look at us and think "well at least im not like that" and it makes them feel better. Therefore the fat = bad is mind trick on thoes types. Its also a socitey standard. Look at the media, look at the news coverage of the fat = bad trend, we live in a society that forces enough crap down peoples throtes that idolizes skinniness. Fat does not equal bad, and the people who think that need to get a mind of their own and realize that something so trivial is really not a big deal. We are people too, and shouldnt be shunned because we dont fit the "norm" of the media.
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:04 pm
Kacee Morivan Fuzzy Necromancer While I am aware there are health risks to being largely overweight, in general the risks of excess weight have been vastly exaggerated, especially in recent times. In addition, every body seems to have a different ideal weight, a different fat level at which they function best. In general the healthiest thing is to go for whatever feels right. I agree, everyone's ideal weight level (healthfully speaking) is different, it's based on height, activity level, etc. What I don't get is what exactly you think is so vastly exaggerated. There are tons of grotesquely inflated statistics that make fat out to be some kind of gelatinous cancer. Obesity is not more dangerous than ciggarettes, it is not the leading cause of preventable death in america. The statistic commonly reported for people dead from obesity each year is just the number of obese people who died of something other than natural causes. That includes car crashes, murder, suicide, poisoning, rabid wombat attacks, etc., which all are assumed to be caused directly and soley by those people being fat. The BMI as a pure height-to-weight ratio is also utterly worthless, failing to account for bone and muscle mass, and being generally inaccurate and disproportionate.
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:29 pm
Fuzzy Necromancer Kacee Morivan Fuzzy Necromancer While I am aware there are health risks to being largely overweight, in general the risks of excess weight have been vastly exaggerated, especially in recent times. In addition, every body seems to have a different ideal weight, a different fat level at which they function best. In general the healthiest thing is to go for whatever feels right. I agree, everyone's ideal weight level (healthfully speaking) is different, it's based on height, activity level, etc. What I don't get is what exactly you think is so vastly exaggerated. There are tons of grotesquely inflated statistics that make fat out to be some kind of gelatinous cancer. Obesity is not more dangerous than ciggarettes, it is not the leading cause of preventable death in america. The statistic commonly reported for people dead from obesity each year is just the number of obese people who died of something other than natural causes. That includes car crashes, murder, suicide, poisoning, rabid wombat attacks, etc., which all are assumed to be caused directly and soley by those people being fat. The BMI as a pure height-to-weight ratio is also utterly worthless, failing to account for bone and muscle mass, and being generally inaccurate and disproportionate. I agree with you on the BMI bullshit. Anyone who follows that is asking for problems. And while there are few to zero statistics on deaths resulting from obesity, the number one cause of death is heart disease. And yes, many people inhereit heart problems, but I'm talking about meat and potatoes heart issues, like high cholesterol, high blood pressure, etc. Now before you can tell me what everyone else has been saying and I do agree with to a degree, overweight people can have normal blood pressure and a healthy cholesterol level, just like thin people can have high on both counts. But the norm is an overweight person having both be high. And both of those are huge contributors to heart attacks, which fall under heart disease, and you can see where I'm going with this. So no, there aren't many, if any, actual statistics on obesity deaths alone, simply because the person was overweight, but the number one killer of people in general is one which is exacerbated by being overweight.
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Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 6:44 pm
I'm aware of that, but the degree to which being overweight causes such problems has been generally overestimated. I also get from news a general impression that being even fat is bad, and since people these days have a broader definition of "fat" there are many negative conditions attributed to people who do not suffer them.
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