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 Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:21 pm
Rizu-Sensei technically, anyone can do anything they they want. i can run a red light, north korea can nuke the phillipines, and barak obama can dance naked on the roof of the white house. what really matters is being able to forsee the repercussions of your actions, and have the wisdom to know what actions are appropriate and which ren't. anyone who can't tell the difference should not be practicing witchcraft. if you truly believe that witches can just willy-nilly cast whatever spells they want, then you either aren't a real witch, or you had a massive brain fart and forgot the whole bit about Bide the Wiccan Law ye must, In perfect love, in perfect trust. Eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill: An ye harm none, do as ye will. And ever mind the Rule of Three: What ye send out, comes back to thee. Follow this with mind and heart, And merry ye meet, and merry ye part. ninja Jai Kali Maa
I don’t follow your “New Wicca” rede, nor is it important to me. Not every witch is “wiccan” and not every witch follows the same ideals. Witchcraft is a craft and everyone crafts differently. And there are a lot of witches that keep their craft and their religion separate.
I’m a witch, not a wiccan, and I’ll decide what is and isn’t appropriate to cast, thank you.
Jai Maa Kali
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:27 pm
Please try to be nice. You are right, not every witch is a Wiccan, but the Rede was brought up simply because it's a modern version of Karma. You have every right to choose whether or not to follow anything, but the subtext of what was previously said...left something to be desired. You are certainly free to cast what you want, but please try to keep in mind that has the potential of affecting more than just you. I believe that was the point of that particular post.
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:35 pm
Karma is an idea that affects the next life, not this current one though. It's a what you do this life you get next life. It's a different idea of what you do comes back to you in this life, but I can't remember what it's called.
I think the three fold law makes no sense because you should get back what you send out. How can something suddenly multiply into 3's? The laws of nature disagree with the idea.
Plus it's all based on your own opinions and morals as to what is good and evil, since not everyone agrees either.
It's not really a law since not all Wiccans are bound by it. It's just advice that most Wiccans take to heart, since they follow it. To say it's a law would mean (to me at least) that there's no option to not follow it, that it'll affect you whether you like it or not. Like the law of gravity. Whether I like it or believe in it or not, that monitor will still fall and hit me on the head. ( sweatdrop )
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:35 pm
Please don't lecture me on "karma" and outcomes like I'm a child. There's an element to my craft that not a lot of people are privy to, nor do they agree with or understand, but it is a family craft and we have our own way of doing things. Rizu-Sensei anyone who can't tell the difference should not be practicing witchcraft. if you truly believe that witches can just willy-nilly cast whatever spells they want, then you either aren't a real witch, or you had a massive brain fart and forgot the whole bit about: Jai Kali Maa
This is what brought about my "attitude". I will be no more polite than the person who obviously responds to me. Why should I bite my tongue when I was so rudely addressed to begin with?
Jai Maa Kali
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:40 pm
kage no neko Karma is an idea that affects the next life, not this current one though. It's a what you do this life you get next life. It's a different idea of what you do comes back to you in this life, but I can't remember what it's called. I think the three fold law makes no sense because you should get back what you send out. How can something suddenly multiply into 3's? The laws of nature disagree with the idea. Plus it's all based on your own opinions and morals as to what is good and evil, since not everyone agrees either. It's not really a law since not all Wiccans are bound by it. It's just advice that most Wiccans take to heart, since they follow it. To say it's a law would mean (to me at least) that there's no option to not follow it, that it'll affect you whether you like it or not. Like the law of gravity. Whether I like it or believe in it or not, that monitor will still fall and hit me on the head. ( sweatdrop ) So the law set by a court to protect its citizens is not a law then? Interesting, I shall keep that in mind.
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:40 pm
ShionsAmethystGaze Please don't lecture me on "karma" and outcomes like I'm a child. There's an element to my craft that not a lot of people are privy to, nor do they agree with or understand, but it is a family craft and we have our own way of doing things. Rizu-Sensei anyone who can't tell the difference should not be practicing witchcraft. if you truly believe that witches can just willy-nilly cast whatever spells they want, then you either aren't a real witch, or you had a massive brain fart and forgot the whole bit about: Jai Kali Maa
This is what brought about my "attitude". I will be no more polite than the person who obviously responds to me. Why should I bite my tongue when I was so rudely addressed to begin with?
Jai Maa Kali Perhaps you could enlighten us, then?
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:41 pm
entervixen So the law set by a counrty to protect its citizens is not a law then? Interesting, I shall keep that in mind. It's a legal law vs a law of nature.
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:43 pm
It's that it's insulting to say that if you don't follow these rules, you're not a real witch. That's what she's trying to point out.
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:43 pm
kage no neko entervixen So the law set by a counrty to protect its citizens is not a law then? Interesting, I shall keep that in mind. It's a legal law vs a law of nature. So you did not say kage no neko To say it's a law would mean (to me at least) that there's no option to not follow it, that it'll affect you whether you like it or not. Like the law of gravity. Please elaborate on how one is fallible and the other is not.
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:44 pm
entervixen Perhaps you could enlighten us, then? Jai Kali Maa
Are you my daughter or otherwise qualified family member a generation beneath me?
Jai Maa Kali
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:46 pm
kage no neko It's that it's insulting to say that if you don't follow these rules, you're not a real witch. That's what she's trying to point out. She was saying that most "real" witches adhere to a certain principle of morality. Yes, morality is subjective. However, most people would agree that to harm another in any way, shape or form is "immoral". You can be a real witch without such, but it's something to keep in mind.
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:48 pm
ShionsAmethystGaze entervixen Perhaps you could enlighten us, then? Jai Kali Maa
Are you my daughter or otherwise qualified family member a generation beneath me?
Jai Maa Kali As far as I know, we are not related. However, you seem to be trying to hold others to a standard that we are not aware of, even telling others to follow your standard when not only do we not know what it is, but that we are to obey this "inivisible" standard. I was just trying to find out what I (and others) are being held to.
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:51 pm
entervixen ShionsAmethystGaze entervixen Perhaps you could enlighten us, then? Jai Kali Maa
Are you my daughter or otherwise qualified family member a generation beneath me?
Jai Maa Kali As far as I know, we are not related. However, you seem to be trying to hold others to a standard that we are not aware of, even telling others to follow your standard when not only do we not know what it is, but that we are to obey this "inivisible" standard. I was just trying to find out what I (and others) are being held to. Jai Kali Maa
I'm sorry, I seemed to have missed where I was holding others to my so called "invisible" standards. To me it looks like the rest of you have just attempted to force your standards upon me and I'm simply stating that I'd rather not adhere to your standards.
Please, show me where I insinuated that I have standards the rest of you should follow?
Jai Maa Kali
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:51 pm
entervixen kage no neko entervixen So the law set by a counrty to protect its citizens is not a law then? Interesting, I shall keep that in mind. It's a legal law vs a law of nature. So you did not say I'll be sure to be AS SPECIFIC as possible next time I'm talking about laws that aren't written on paper (as legal documents) that apply to people and/or witches. entervixen kage no neko To say it's a law would mean (to me at least) that there's no option to not follow it, that it'll affect you whether you like it or not. Like the law of gravity. Please elaborate on how one is fallible and the other is not. The law of gravity insists that things stay down (unless you can break gravity's pull with a space shuttle or something..). If the three fold "law" or the idea of following the rede's saying if it's not good, you shouldn't do it, if they were laws, they'd apply to all witches and magic users and people in general. They're not guaranteed like other laws of nature, therefore they're not laws.
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Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:54 pm
ShionsAmethystGaze entervixen ShionsAmethystGaze entervixen Perhaps you could enlighten us, then? Jai Kali Maa
Are you my daughter or otherwise qualified family member a generation beneath me?
Jai Maa Kali As far as I know, we are not related. However, you seem to be trying to hold others to a standard that we are not aware of, even telling others to follow your standard when not only do we not know what it is, but that we are to obey this "inivisible" standard. I was just trying to find out what I (and others) are being held to. Jai Kali Maa
I'm sorry, I seemed to have missed where I was holding others to my so called "invisible" standards. To me it looks like the rest of you have just attempted to force your standards upon me and I'm simply stating that I'd rather not adhere to your standards.
Please, show me where I insinuated that I have standards the rest of you should follow?
Jai Maa Kali My response: ShionsAmethystGaze" To be honest, I don't think healing spells are a good idea for anyone here to try unless you've had the proper training in healing, even if it's just reiki. But you have to be taught. Healing is one thing that you can't learn from a book or online. Healing is a very, very, very delicate area. So many things can go wrong without you even realizing that it's possible. There are so many things to take into consideration when performing a healing (even just a spell) that a lot of times the little things can get overlooked, and this could be dangerous. No, you don't know what you're doing, and to think so could be detrimental to the health of the receiver. Even I am incredibly cautious and I have been a healer for years. For instance, the stints. Many people wouldn't think that these could be affected by healing. They can, and it's not good. When an inexperienced healer has at it (that means someone who hasn't had formal training in the healing arena) it is very, very likely that they will cause the body to begin to reject the stints. During healing the body is rewired to get rid of anything that doesn't belong there. This includes the stints. This is very, very bad. The moral of this story is, I highly recommend that healing spells NOT be performed. Instead of working healing spells, ask that the energies surrounding the person you want healed to better align with their vibrations and aid their body in making the correct changes. It's not fancy, it's not frilly, but it's the safest thing you can do and still get results. Please do not disregard this post. I'm not trying to be rude or undermine anyone here, I'm simply trying to help. It is very important that everyone understands that even in healing things can go wrong. Magic is very delicate and it's not easy to master.
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