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 Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:36 am
Semiremis Call Me Apple Semiremis That's pretty much the impression I got from the Williams interview. Ahmadinejad is a good speaker, a very persuasive one especially when it comes to a lot of university, progressive, very far left leaning liberals in the US. He completely avoided the main question and redirected it on to the injustice he sees regarding the Palestinians so I couldn't say for sure what his views are and how much he denies. On a side note, he asked for evidence of the Holocaust, why hasn't anyone provided him with some? So far it seems like all of us in this Guild are in agreement that the Holocaust is a very sad and tragic reality but for those who aren't, does anyone actually try to show them the evidence they are looking for, or do we just scream at them and call them racists? If we do give them the evidence do you think it would do any good? I sort of think it goes a lot deeper, which is what you sort of pointed out already, I think resentment over what went down in Palestine over 50 years ago, ignorance, or just plain hatred is the culprit behind the denial in many cases. But that's just some of my own thoughts, this is something I haven't put much thought into since the numbers of those who deny the Holocaust seem very small (it hasn't really been brought to my attention much at all). I think all this stemmed from the 2009 UN conference. You may want to check out a video of it. The second link was a video excerpt of it right? OMG yes my mistake.
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:29 pm
Call Me Apple Semiremis Call Me Apple Semiremis That's pretty much the impression I got from the Williams interview. Ahmadinejad is a good speaker, a very persuasive one especially when it comes to a lot of university, progressive, very far left leaning liberals in the US. He completely avoided the main question and redirected it on to the injustice he sees regarding the Palestinians so I couldn't say for sure what his views are and how much he denies. On a side note, he asked for evidence of the Holocaust, why hasn't anyone provided him with some? So far it seems like all of us in this Guild are in agreement that the Holocaust is a very sad and tragic reality but for those who aren't, does anyone actually try to show them the evidence they are looking for, or do we just scream at them and call them racists? If we do give them the evidence do you think it would do any good? I sort of think it goes a lot deeper, which is what you sort of pointed out already, I think resentment over what went down in Palestine over 50 years ago, ignorance, or just plain hatred is the culprit behind the denial in many cases. But that's just some of my own thoughts, this is something I haven't put much thought into since the numbers of those who deny the Holocaust seem very small (it hasn't really been brought to my attention much at all). I think all this stemmed from the 2009 UN conference. You may want to check out a video of it. The second link was a video excerpt of it right? OMG yes my mistake. No problem.
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 5:47 pm
----There's an eastern equivalent, it's the Denial of the Rape Nanking... and I must agree ALL HAIL TO THE PIMP GOD!
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 6:18 pm
Aakosir OK!Bad comparison. I was trying to think of something that most people believed! That's why I said about the translating and retranslating of the bible! The Holocaust was in the past 100 years! Not centeries ago! Aakosir See here's the thing. It is fact to Christians. I was raised Christian!
Never in my life have I met someone who thinks a large amount of time passed is fact compared to something smaller with more evidence.
Next your going to tell me Anderson Ville, the Union Prison, was actually a nice place where they took care of their prisons. I got sick in my stomach reading your posts and now have to go to the bathroom after having shellshock flashbacks of my great grandfather fighting in the war.
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 6:39 pm
@pg 2: There is proof that Jesus existed, even if it's not proof enough to convince everyone. The Bible, and there was a whole documentary about them having His burial shroud. The whole thing about people denying the holocaust is stupid and those people are idiotic and callous, but I think anyone who thinks Jesus didn't exist is just way too skeptical.
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 6:45 pm
xxEternallyBluexx @pg 2: There is proof that Jesus existed, even if it's not proof enough to convince everyone. The Bible, and there was a whole documentary about them having His burial shroud. The whole thing about people denying the holocaust is stupid and those people are idiotic and callous, but I think anyone who thinks Jesus didn't exist is just way too skeptical.
As for a documentary, that can't be evidence either for many large reason as the same as the reason for the Bible.
I believe the holocaust existed because there is no doubt it did exist. My family was even alive then to remember it.
As for Jesus, I believe there is a possibility he existed but his powers was overly exaggerated. Sorry for being too skeptical considering I have no reason to believe in Jesus unless you want to count his miracles. However, I could twist that around and question why you don't believe in Allah's miracles.
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 6:54 pm
xxEternallyBluexx @pg 2: There is proof that Jesus existed, even if it's not proof enough to convince everyone. The Bible, and there was a whole documentary about them having His burial shroud. The whole thing about people denying the holocaust is stupid and those people are idiotic and callous, but I think anyone who thinks Jesus didn't exist is just way too skeptical. A book and a shroud. The Holocaust has pictures. Videos. The ruins of concentration camps. Blueprints of Auschwitz. More eyewitnesses than I want to know. Over 6 million people disappearing from the world. Jesus may have proof but the Holocaust has a hell of a lot more. The two don't even compare.
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 7:05 pm
Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx @pg 2: There is proof that Jesus existed, even if it's not proof enough to convince everyone. The Bible, and there was a whole documentary about them having His burial shroud. The whole thing about people denying the holocaust is stupid and those people are idiotic and callous, but I think anyone who thinks Jesus didn't exist is just way too skeptical.
As for a documentary, that can't be evidence either for many large reason as the same as the reason for the Bible.
I believe the holocaust existed because there is no doubt it did exist. My family was even alive then to remember it.
As for Jesus, I believe there is a possibility he existed but his powers was overly exaggerated. Sorry for being too skeptical considering I have no reason to believe in Jesus unless you want to count his miracles. However, I could twist that around and question why you don't believe in Allah's miracles.It's not anything the same considering the nature of the Bible and the nature of the Lord of the Rings. LotR was clearly written as a fantasy whereas the Bible from the start was written to record the Jewish history. It has genealogies (sp?) and was considered sacred, not just some fantastic book. I'm not saying the evidence is enough that skeptics can't deny it, but as the Holocaust deniers prove, people can take skepticism too far. I'm not saying it compares either, but that doesn't mean I've seen any real good reason to deny that Jesus existed except to be difficult. And I never said I didn't believe there weren't Islamic miracles, but I from what I can recall, Muhammed didn't perform any, and I think evil spirits did those miracles to lead people away from Christ.
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 7:07 pm
Shiori Miko xxEternallyBluexx @pg 2: There is proof that Jesus existed, even if it's not proof enough to convince everyone. The Bible, and there was a whole documentary about them having His burial shroud. The whole thing about people denying the holocaust is stupid and those people are idiotic and callous, but I think anyone who thinks Jesus didn't exist is just way too skeptical. A book and a shroud. The Holocaust has pictures. Videos. The ruins of concentration camps. Blueprints of Auschwitz. More eyewitnesses than I want to know. Over 6 million people disappearing from the world. Jesus may have proof but the Holocaust has a hell of a lot more. The two don't even compare. I didn't say they did compare. It I thought they did compare I'd be saying everyone who didn't believe Jesus existed was a callous idiot too.
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 7:22 pm
Captain_Shinzo Aakosir OK!Bad comparison. I was trying to think of something that most people believed! That's why I said about the translating and retranslating of the bible! The Holocaust was in the past 100 years! Not centeries ago! Aakosir See here's the thing. It is fact to Christians. I was raised Christian!
Never in my life have I met someone who thinks a large amount of time passed is fact compared to something smaller with more evidence.
Next your going to tell me Anderson Ville, the Union Prison, was actually a nice place where they took care of their prisons. I got sick in my stomach reading your posts and now have to go to the bathroom after having shellshock flashbacks of my great grandfather fighting in the war.
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 7:32 pm
Aakosir Captain_Shinzo Aakosir OK!Bad comparison. I was trying to think of something that most people believed! That's why I said about the translating and retranslating of the bible! The Holocaust was in the past 100 years! Not centeries ago! Aakosir See here's the thing. It is fact to Christians. I was raised Christian!
Never in my life have I met someone who thinks a large amount of time passed is fact compared to something smaller with more evidence.
Next your going to tell me Anderson Ville, the Union Prison, was actually a nice place where they took care of their prisons. I got sick in my stomach reading your posts and now have to go to the bathroom after having shellshock flashbacks of my great grandfather fighting in the war.
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 7:36 pm
xxEternallyBluexx Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx @pg 2: There is proof that Jesus existed, even if it's not proof enough to convince everyone. The Bible, and there was a whole documentary about them having His burial shroud. The whole thing about people denying the holocaust is stupid and those people are idiotic and callous, but I think anyone who thinks Jesus didn't exist is just way too skeptical.
As for a documentary, that can't be evidence either for many large reason as the same as the reason for the Bible.
I believe the holocaust existed because there is no doubt it did exist. My family was even alive then to remember it.
As for Jesus, I believe there is a possibility he existed but his powers was overly exaggerated. Sorry for being too skeptical considering I have no reason to believe in Jesus unless you want to count his miracles. However, I could twist that around and question why you don't believe in Allah's miracles.It's not anything the same considering the nature of the Bible and the nature of the Lord of the Rings. LotR was clearly written as a fantasy whereas the Bible from the start was written to record the Jewish history. It has genealogies (sp?) and was considered sacred, not just some fantastic book. I'm not saying the evidence is enough that skeptics can't deny it, but as the Holocaust deniers prove, people can take skepticism too far. I'm not saying it compares either, but that doesn't mean I've seen any real good reason to deny that Jesus existed except to be difficult. And I never said I didn't believe there weren't Islamic miracles, but I from what I can recall, Muhammed didn't perform any, and I think evil spirits did those miracles to lead people away from Christ.
I can't believe in Jesus because all the evidence there is is a book written a long time ago. That isn't enough for me at all.
Muhammad did perform a few good miracles such as the girl who cried sharp crystals. Point being, I was implying that a belief can't be pushed by miracles.
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 7:38 pm
Captain_Shinzo Aakosir Captain_Shinzo Aakosir OK!Bad comparison. I was trying to think of something that most people believed! That's why I said about the translating and retranslating of the bible! The Holocaust was in the past 100 years! Not centeries ago! Aakosir See here's the thing. It is fact to Christians. I was raised Christian!
Never in my life have I met someone who thinks a large amount of time passed is fact compared to something smaller with more evidence.
Next your going to tell me Anderson Ville, the Union Prison, was actually a nice place where they took care of their prisons. I got sick in my stomach reading your posts and now have to go to the bathroom after having shellshock flashbacks of my great grandfather fighting in the war.
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 7:45 pm
Aakosir Captain_Shinzo Aakosir Captain_Shinzo Aakosir OK!Bad comparison. I was trying to think of something that most people believed! That's why I said about the translating and retranslating of the bible! The Holocaust was in the past 100 years! Not centeries ago! Aakosir See here's the thing. It is fact to Christians. I was raised Christian!
Never in my life have I met someone who thinks a large amount of time passed is fact compared to something smaller with more evidence.
Next your going to tell me Anderson Ville, the Union Prison, was actually a nice place where they took care of their prisons. I got sick in my stomach reading your posts and now have to go to the bathroom after having shellshock flashbacks of my great grandfather fighting in the war.
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Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 7:46 pm
Captain_Shinzo Aakosir Captain_Shinzo Aakosir Captain_Shinzo You scare me more than any other person alive right now.
Never in my life have I met someone who thinks a large amount of time passed is fact compared to something smaller with more evidence.
Next your going to tell me Anderson Ville, the Union Prison, was actually a nice place where they took care of their prisons. I got sick in my stomach reading your posts and now have to go to the bathroom after having shellshock flashbacks of my great grandfather fighting in the war.
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