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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 7:46 pm
A lot of things peeve me. For one, rabid atheists and rabid agnostics. They tend to force their beliefs on anyone, and whenever they preach about tolerance, they are the most intolerant of other people's beliefs.
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:12 pm
Emperor Angelo XXV A lot of things peeve me. For one, rabid atheists and rabid agnostics. They tend to force their beliefs on anyone, and whenever they preach about tolerance, they are the most intolerant of other people's beliefs. Rabid agnostics? I have never met one of those. Honestly, if they're rabid about it, they wouldn't be agnostic. I've yet to meet an agnostic who didn't have extreme humility about their state of knowledge... that's sort of the point of being agnostic isn't it? xd Honestly, I get most annoyed by discussions with atheists because the term atheist is almost meaningless when you get beneath the surface of it. It's meaningless because there is no agreement among the world's religions concerning what "god" is, and essentially if we mush them all together we end up with "god = everything." That makes atheism disbelief in everything, hence meaningless since clearly that isn't what they mean to convey. They need to clarify WHAT kind of deity they disbelieve in, or better yet, speak more of what they DO believe rather than what they do NOT. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:14 pm
Starlock Emperor Angelo XXV A lot of things peeve me. For one, rabid atheists and rabid agnostics. They tend to force their beliefs on anyone, and whenever they preach about tolerance, they are the most intolerant of other people's beliefs. Rabid agnostics? I have never met one of those. Honestly, if they're rabid about it, they wouldn't be agnostic. I've yet to meet an agnostic who didn't have extreme humility about their state of knowledge... that's sort of the point of being agnostic isn't it? xd Honestly, I get most annoyed by discussions with atheists because the term atheist is almost meaningless when you get beneath the surface of it. It's meaningless because there is no agreement among the world's religions concerning what "god" is, and essentially if we mush them all together we end up with "god = everything." That makes atheism disbelief in everything, hence meaningless since clearly that isn't what they mean to convey. They need to clarify WHAT kind of deity they disbelieve in, or better yet, speak more of what they DO believe rather than what they do NOT. sweatdrop I have met one, actually.
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:24 pm
Emperor Angelo XXV I have met one, actually. Wow. How shameful. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume it was a young person. xd
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:29 pm
Starlock Emperor Angelo XXV I have met one, actually. Wow. How shameful. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume it was a young person. xd He's like, 16 actually.
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:33 pm
Emperor Angelo XXV Starlock Emperor Angelo XXV I have met one, actually. Wow. How shameful. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume it was a young person. xd He's like, 16 actually.Right, 16's the peak of maturity biggrin I don't like the rebel teenage atheists, who are atheist just because it's cool and rebellious, and think that it automatically makes them an intellectual.
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:34 pm
Artto Emperor Angelo XXV Starlock Emperor Angelo XXV I have met one, actually. Wow. How shameful. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume it was a young person. xd He's like, 16 actually.Right, 16's the peak of maturity biggrin I don't like the rebel teenage atheists, who are atheist just because it's cool and rebellious, and think that it automatically makes them an intellectual. Same here, and it also applies to rebel teenage agnostics.
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 8:47 pm
Emperor Angelo XXV Artto Emperor Angelo XXV Starlock Emperor Angelo XXV I have met one, actually. Wow. How shameful. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume it was a young person. xd He's like, 16 actually.Right, 16's the peak of maturity biggrin I don't like the rebel teenage atheists, who are atheist just because it's cool and rebellious, and think that it automatically makes them an intellectual. Same here, and it also applies to rebel teenage agnostics. Same. Gives people like me a bad name.
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:16 am
I don't appreciate those who look down on me, and devalue my scientific knowledge because of my beliefs. I can be a scientist and a therian, I just have different hats (my therian hat has nifty ears). I don't mix the two if I can help it, unless I'm helping another therian discover their kin-type by giving them my knowledge about certain animals...or on occasion disproving thier theory owing to erroneous information about a particular species (what can I say, I'm a zoologist [sorta] I can't help myself).
Re the platypus thing: Platypus are monotremes, a branch off the mammalian family line that delineated before the marsupial line. Monotremes lay eggs like reptilians, but secrete a milk-like substance from mammary glands (hence why they're a mammal), and keep their young (which hatch when relatively immature) in wee burrows. Male platypus have a spike on thier hind feet which is poisonous, and awesome. Echidna are also monotremes, but not quite as cuddly or popular as platypus. (again, zoologist [sorta], don't shoot me)
Most scientific knowledge and research is based on the concept of evolution. If you ignore that, you never see the whole picture.
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 3:54 pm
Artto Emperor Angelo XXV Starlock Emperor Angelo XXV I have met one, actually. Wow. How shameful. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume it was a young person. xd He's like, 16 actually.Right, 16's the peak of maturity biggrin I don't like the rebel teenage atheists, who are atheist just because it's cool and rebellious, and think that it automatically makes them an intellectual. I've taken to calling then angstheists. Seemed like a good way of describing them to me. Sixteen definitely constitutes young person. I'd throw college-aged kids in there as well, as many of them haven't experienced "real life" either. xd Catharia, do you really have people looking down on you for being a science-oriented person yet believe in things which are not scientific? I haven't had that problem, so guess I'm a little curious. sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 6:24 pm
I do indeed. It even came to people I knew ignoring my input, because it might be 'tainted' with my beliefs. rolleyes Before they knew about my therianthropy they took me seriously, afterwards...they treated me like I was an idiot. Now I don't tell anyone irl, unless I know they won't judge me unfairly for it. Sometimes I feel like holding my degree under their nose and saying 'how could I get this if I'm such an idiot, eh?' sweatdrop
The funny thing is, the whole reason I went into science was to find out what was wrong with me, and if I was alone. I didn't expect it to backfire on me.
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Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 7:54 pm
Emperor Angelo XXV Starlock Emperor Angelo XXV A lot of things peeve me. For one, rabid atheists and rabid agnostics. They tend to force their beliefs on anyone, and whenever they preach about tolerance, they are the most intolerant of other people's beliefs. Rabid agnostics? I have never met one of those. Honestly, if they're rabid about it, they wouldn't be agnostic. I've yet to meet an agnostic who didn't have extreme humility about their state of knowledge... that's sort of the point of being agnostic isn't it? xd Honestly, I get most annoyed by discussions with atheists because the term atheist is almost meaningless when you get beneath the surface of it. It's meaningless because there is no agreement among the world's religions concerning what "god" is, and essentially if we mush them all together we end up with "god = everything." That makes atheism disbelief in everything, hence meaningless since clearly that isn't what they mean to convey. They need to clarify WHAT kind of deity they disbelieve in, or better yet, speak more of what they DO believe rather than what they do NOT. sweatdrop I have met one, actually. I've met one too and if I remember right they were in their early to mid-20's. This person was almost as obnoxious towards atheists as she was towards theist. It just further cements the fact that people can be arrogant and obnoxious no matter what beliefs on God(s) they may or may not hold. For the most part I get the same impression of agnostics as Starlock. They typically seem more laid back and relaxed, asking questions instead of giving answers...that sort of thing.
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:51 am
Semiremis I see this a bit more with the younger atheists and it's a thought process that seems to be prevalent at least based on my experiences but many atheists seem to think they are smart for: a. telling a theist (often times many years older then them) that they should question their faith, going on the assumption that the theist already has not put any thought into it (enter ignorance on the atheist part, and/or just plain hubris). As others have said, this kind of behavior isn't exactly exclusive to Atheists, but the "thinking it makes them smarter" seems to be more prevalent among Atheists. I generally see religious people telling people that they need to consider their religion as a way for them to feel like they have stronger faith, than to necessarily feel like they're smarter, but I guess that could be the reason in some cases. But yeah, I hate this too. People assume that because you don't agree with them, you've never really thought about agreeing with them. Because, obviously, if you considered it, you'd definitely agree with them. There's just no other possibility, because they are so smart, and there is no way they could be wrong. rolleyes Semiremis b. telling the theist to be reasonable. (enter extreme small mindedness on the atheist part) An atheist does not have a monopoly over reason, sorry to burst your bubble if you thought otherwise, although who's to say that we should spend our short stint on this world being reasonable in the first place. Agreed, and I'm glad you added that last one in there. There are some things I do or believe that are not based on reason, and I know that. So why don't I care? Because I don't believe that human beings are solely rational creatures. We have emotions and things that just don't mesh well with reason all the time. Everybody does it, they just don't always admit to it. Of course, as soon as I admit to it, people start disregarding everything I say. Apparently, if you're not 100% rational, you must be 100% irrational, and nothing you say can be believed. I'd roll my eyes again, but if I don't restrain myself a bit, this post is going to be 50% eye rolls. Semiremis c. reminding us how backward and anti- science we are. (enter just plain stupidity on the atheists part) Most of the scientific advances out there came from those who believed in some sort of God. I also hate it when people hear I'm Catholic and make entirely wrong assumptions about what I believe about scientific theories and the like. Ignorant person: You're Catholic. You don't believe in evolution. Me: Um, actually, I do believe in evolution (though there are still some holes that need to be filled in, but that's pretty much the case with a lot of science, so whatevs), and the Catechism of the Catholic Church specifically states that evolution does not contradict any Church teachings, so we can believe whatever the hell we want about it. Ignorant person: Actually, that's not true. I know, because I was raised Catholic. I spent every Sunday sitting in Church, ignoring sermons and readings and what my CCD teachers said for twelve whole years before realizing it was all crap and leaving the Church. Me: rolleyes And honestly, this pet peeve goes way beyond just science stuff. I hate hate hate it when someone tries to say they know something about the Church because they're Catholic or, even worse, because they used to be Catholic. There are a lot of people in the first group and a ton of people in the second group who have never learned anything about the Church other than what they were told, and that's just not grounds enough to make a definitive statement about what the Church believes. Unless you got your information from a reliable source on what the Church believes, don't claim you know what they believe. *end rant* Semiremis I don't know how this applies to any in this Guild but honestly, I think that whole IQ high has been leaned on far too much. Some of the most idiotic things I've ever heard have come out of the mouths of atheists (it definitely rivals some of the most idiotic things I've heard from theists.) So why do so many atheists seem to think that they are special and smart and the only ones capable of critical thought? or is this not prevalent and I'm for some reason just lucky in coming across those who fit this stereotype? I think it's really prevalent. I mean, there are a lot of religious folks that are just as arrogant, but in my experience, this type of religious based arrogance (namely, I'm smarter than you are, na-na-na-na-na-na!) occurs more often in atheists.
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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:32 pm
Catharia I do indeed. It even came to people I knew ignoring my input, because it might be 'tainted' with my beliefs. rolleyes Before they knew about my therianthropy they took me seriously, afterwards...they treated me like I was an idiot. Now I don't tell anyone irl, unless I know they won't judge me unfairly for it. Sometimes I feel like holding my degree under their nose and saying 'how could I get this if I'm such an idiot, eh?' sweatdrop The funny thing is, the whole reason I went into science was to find out what was wrong with me, and if I was alone. I didn't expect it to backfire on me. Ouch. I suppose it is possible, neigh probable, that in a fashion one's science can be "tainted" by other beliefs, but I think if any scientist believes they do NOT have this problem (be it belief in therianthropy or something else) they're kidding themselves. Part of the reason why we use the methods we do is precisely to help eliminate the biases we ALL have. Just nailing down someone for having a belief that is culturally more "strange" is, well, kinda prejudiced. They should be ashamed. 3nodding I suppose maybe I don't run into the problem because I don't really discuss some of my more "strange" beliefs with my colleagues. Many of them know I'm of a nature-centered faith, but given that most of them are also tree huggers, they really can't criticize anyway. They may not worship the land like I do, but they devote their life to it, which is pretty much the same thing in my book. lol
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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 11:05 pm
I hate when people are super surpised when I have morals, cause I don't have diety overlord to dictate them to me.
I hate it when somebody brings me a bible trying to convince me through disgustingly sexist/racist/violent/outdated biblical scripture that I am mistaken.
I hate when I tell them they aren't going to change my mind, and than they tell me they will pray for me.
I hated it when they use to make me say the pledge in school, and I got suspended in high school for refusing to say the "under god".
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