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What gun has the best overall value?
  The SKS (≈300$)
  The M1 Carbine (≈900$)
  The AR-15 (≈700$)
  Other (Please specify. Must fire an intermediate cartridge and be semi-automatic.)
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uryu ishida

PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:02 pm


Shrantic
Fresnel
My dad has a Chinese SKS, with a PLAA 'Red Star' scope. GOD is it a nice gun. It has absolutely NO recoil, it just shakes like mad. For the price, you could certainly do worse.

Curious though... why is it you want intermediate?
Because the only guns we have either kick like mules (hunting rifles, shotguns) or can't reach out to 100 yards without dropping IMMENSELY. (.22)

Also, .30-06 is really, really expensive around here, and shotgun slugs just don't seem to agree with our shotgun. (2 foot groups at 50 yards, not human error.)
I believe that there is a a pistol-caliber conversion for .30-06, but I could be COMPLETELY wrong on this. I know there is one for .303.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:15 pm


uryu ishida
Shrantic
Fresnel
My dad has a Chinese SKS, with a PLAA 'Red Star' scope. GOD is it a nice gun. It has absolutely NO recoil, it just shakes like mad. For the price, you could certainly do worse.

Curious though... why is it you want intermediate?
Because the only guns we have either kick like mules (hunting rifles, shotguns) or can't reach out to 100 yards without dropping IMMENSELY. (.22)

Also, .30-06 is really, really expensive around here, and shotgun slugs just don't seem to agree with our shotgun. (2 foot groups at 50 yards, not human error.)
I believe that there is a a pistol-caliber conversion for .30-06, but I could be COMPLETELY wrong on this. I know there is one for .303.
I'd really rather have it be dedicated to a single caliber.

Shrantic


Fresnel
Crew

Citizen

PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 4:04 pm


uryu ishida
Shrantic
Fresnel
My dad has a Chinese SKS, with a PLAA 'Red Star' scope. GOD is it a nice gun. It has absolutely NO recoil, it just shakes like mad. For the price, you could certainly do worse.

Curious though... why is it you want intermediate?
Because the only guns we have either kick like mules (hunting rifles, shotguns) or can't reach out to 100 yards without dropping IMMENSELY. (.22)

Also, .30-06 is really, really expensive around here, and shotgun slugs just don't seem to agree with our shotgun. (2 foot groups at 50 yards, not human error.)
I believe that there is a a pistol-caliber conversion for .30-06, but I could be COMPLETELY wrong on this. I know there is one for .303.
Yeah... I think SPG has .30-06, .303, and .308 conversions to .32ACP.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:09 pm


So, I found an unfired Chinese SKS for $300 on gunbroker. This a good deal?
It's got original parts and everything.

I don't like the fact that it's got a spike bayonet, and not a blade, though. >.>

Shrantic


Fresnel
Crew

Citizen

PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:19 pm


Shrantic
So, I found an unfired Chinese SKS for $300 on gunbroker. This a good deal?
It's got original parts and everything.

I don't like the fact that it's got a spike bayonet, and not a blade, though. >.>
They all have spikes. They're [semi-]permanently fixed on the gun. Not sure if it's a screw or a rivet.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:21 pm


Shrantic
So, I found an unfired Chinese SKS for $300 on gunbroker. This a good deal?
It's got original parts and everything.

I don't like the fact that it's got a spike bayonet, and not a blade, though. >.>
Bayonets ARE for stabbing, rather than cutting. The blade ones aren't sharp, anyway. Just pointy. Have you seen how they sit? You would cut the ever-loving ******** out of your hand with a blade bayonet.

Good deal.

Don't hesitate if you think you've found a good deal. Pounce on it so someone else doesn't get it. Then arrange everything as needed.
Seeing your age, YOU can't buy the rifle. A parent will have to buy it and gift it to you. It will have to be shipped to an FFL, who will have to do the usual paperwork. All of them have transfer fees, some more fair than others. Once it arrives, the purchaser will have to fill out the 4473, pay the NICS fee (and of course have it done), and then whatever local laws there are.

uryu ishida


OberFeldwebel

PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:48 pm


Shrantic
So, I found an unfired Chinese SKS for $300 on gunbroker. This a good deal?
It's got original parts and everything.

I don't like the fact that it's got a spike bayonet, and not a blade, though. >.>



Well, in perspective, two years ago you could get certain types of SKSs for the price of a Mosin.


Anyway, $300 for a Norinco seems to be the going rate these days.

Personally I'd go after a Russian one.


Also, what is the SKS you found?
Link to it?


Do some research on it.

http://yooperj.com/

go the to SKS section.


uryu ishida
Shrantic
So, I found an unfired Chinese SKS for $300 on gunbroker. This a good deal?
It's got original parts and everything.

I don't like the fact that it's got a spike bayonet, and not a blade, though. >.>
Bayonets ARE for stabbing, rather than cutting. The blade ones aren't sharp, anyway. Just pointy. Have you seen how they sit? You would cut the ever-loving ******** out of your hand with a blade bayonet.

Good deal.

Don't hesitate if you think you've found a good deal. Pounce on it so someone else doesn't get it. Then arrange everything as needed.
Seeing your age, YOU can't buy the rifle. A parent will have to buy it and gift it to you. It will have to be shipped to an FFL, who will have to do the usual paperwork. All of them have transfer fees, some more fair than others. Once it arrives, the purchaser will have to fill out the 4473, pay the NICS fee (and of course have it done), and then whatever local laws there are.



Also, if your parents don't know what to do and you're there walking them through it, the transferer might think something fishy is going on and not go through with the transfer.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:03 pm


Fresnel
Shrantic
So, I found an unfired Chinese SKS for $300 on gunbroker. This a good deal?
It's got original parts and everything.

I don't like the fact that it's got a spike bayonet, and not a blade, though. >.>
They all have spikes. They're [semi-]permanently fixed on the gun. Not sure if it's a screw or a rivet.
Last one I saw was a blade bayonet.

Shrantic


Shrantic

PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:05 pm


Bah. I'm probably not going to be able to get it. My dad's just getting out of surgery and it's got 5 bids already. crying

Link
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:40 am


Shrantic
Bah. I'm probably not going to be able to get it. My dad's just getting out of surgery and it's got 5 bids already. crying

Link



Yeah, better off without that one in the link.

"The Sheet Metal Receiver Model is a very crudely made SKS. It is similar to the "Last Ditch" guns made by the Germans and Japanese towards the end of World War II. "

That's that model of gun. It really doesn't have much historical significance so it really isn't worth much.


Go to yooperj.com
click SKS
search complete rifles and search for 'sheet metal'.

Image just above bears the same stamps and markings as the one on gunbroker.

OberFeldwebel


uryu ishida

PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:46 am


Shrantic
Fresnel
Shrantic
So, I found an unfired Chinese SKS for $300 on gunbroker. This a good deal?
It's got original parts and everything.

I don't like the fact that it's got a spike bayonet, and not a blade, though. >.>
They all have spikes. They're [semi-]permanently fixed on the gun. Not sure if it's a screw or a rivet.
Last one I saw was a blade bayonet.
It's still a spike, but it is shaped like a blade. The positioning doesn't allow for a blade, and it's not like it can come off to be used as a utilitarian tool.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:31 pm


OberFeldwebel
Shrantic
Bah. I'm probably not going to be able to get it. My dad's just getting out of surgery and it's got 5 bids already. crying

Link



Yeah, better off without that one in the link.

"The Sheet Metal Receiver Model is a very crudely made SKS. It is similar to the "Last Ditch" guns made by the Germans and Japanese towards the end of World War II. "

That's that model of gun. It really doesn't have much historical significance so it really isn't worth much.


Go to yooperj.com
click SKS
search complete rifles and search for 'sheet metal'.

Image just above bears the same stamps and markings as the one on gunbroker.
Well, I'd prefer an unfired SKS, and if it is fired, I don't want a Russian. I hear that those guns are very widely hit-and-miss, some being okay and really reliable, some being utter crap and really reliable. I want about 3MOA.

Shrantic


Shrantic

PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:21 pm


Hurm... An excellent condition M1 carbine is up for sale for $500.

$900 my a**. Guy I talked to must not know s**t about the Carbine's lower prices. stare
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:20 pm


Shrantic
OberFeldwebel
Shrantic
Bah. I'm probably not going to be able to get it. My dad's just getting out of surgery and it's got 5 bids already. crying

Link



Yeah, better off without that one in the link.

"The Sheet Metal Receiver Model is a very crudely made SKS. It is similar to the "Last Ditch" guns made by the Germans and Japanese towards the end of World War II. "

That's that model of gun. It really doesn't have much historical significance so it really isn't worth much.


Go to yooperj.com
click SKS
search complete rifles and search for 'sheet metal'.

Image just above bears the same stamps and markings as the one on gunbroker.
Well, I'd prefer an unfired SKS, and if it is fired, I don't want a Russian. I hear that those guns are very widely hit-and-miss, some being okay and really reliable, some being utter crap and really reliable. I want about 3MOA.


Never heard that about Russian SKSs.

Anyway, don't get that last ditch sheet metal SKS in that last link.




Yeah Shrantic, I saw 'rack grade' M1 Carbines, Inland and Saginaw for around $900 in one shop, uh nyet.
Nothing fancy, post war sights and bayonet lug.



And don't try for those Universals or whatever those new production M1 Carbines are, they're junk.

OberFeldwebel


uryu ishida

PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:52 pm


Shrantic
Hurm... An excellent condition M1 carbine is up for sale for $500.

$900 my a**. Guy I talked to must not know s**t about the Carbine's lower prices. stare
You can get a perfectly respectable Carbine from the CMP.

Or someone who is a member, anyway.

I got mine, plus 150 rounds and 3 magazines, with $500 flat. I WOULD have gotten an oiler and sling with the deal, but he didn't have a spare.

Hell, I coudl have gotten one HELL of a collector for that, though. He has like 5 M1 Carbines, and the one he handed me at first had full stock cartouches, a fireball barrel, first-gen sights and barrel band, just plain out 100% original and in damn fine shape, too. After he got to looking he was like "damn, that's my best one. Oh well, that's the deal I'm giving you."
I didn't want a collector, I wanted a shooter. So I traded for my mixmaster Inland with (for me) better sights and the second-generation barrel band. It gauged exactly the same (1.5-2 on barrel), so it shot just as well.
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