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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 5:55 pm
I.Am Mistress DragonFlame Sure, humans adapt to their surroundings, they don't just suddenly forget what it was like to be free. There are appeals and re-trials for all sorts of cases, from traffic tickets to serial rape, prison is bad, whether you find a way to put up with it or not; hence the ammount of suicides and depressives in prison (not just on death row). And the fact of the matter is; they ahve lost all personal freedoms, that is what it boils down to. So answer me this. Is it ok to leave PoW's festering in camps because "they'll get used to it" if it will be troublesome to get them out? (I have no idea what PoW is, so I'll guess) Well, they didn't do anything, right? And if they did, it wasn't bad enough to warrent that when they should have better rights.PoWs are Prisoners of War, so it depends on your opinion of soldiers, war, and killing for your country as to whether they deserved it or not. OK then. So, prisioners of war? I believe that they are a tool. Once they are 'lost', they become bystanders, people again, and therefore don't have any murders or killings on them. They then deserve to get out. I'd rather people be killed, then prisoners of war.
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:02 am
Mistress DragonFlame Beat: to hit. Spank: to hit. Same meaning, but different word. I'd sure as hell beat them shitless because I, again, and training them for later in on life. When done something when you may, or may not have known it was correct is something completely different when they do it as adult. If they assosiate pain, not "booboo" pain either but pain, with stealing, they won't do it. Besides, the goverment is not a person. It is not alive, it is... there. o.O And since it is not human, it does not have to abide by laws set for humans, such as killing and collecting money from people when the person did nothing but work to get that debt. When it applies to a persons rights, which they supply, they have set boundries. BUT, when that person breaks one of their laws, they can take away those rights. Really? So if I get attacked after school what would I call it? Did they kill me even if I'm alive? You see if someone was to "Beat me Shitless" that would imply that I was infact being BEATEN as in being hit repeatedly with unnessicary force. And what your talking about with this whole "pain being associated with something bad" is better known as "shock therapy". It was also used as an attempt to make gay people straight, you know back when being gay could mean jail time. It's also known as "Cruel and Unusual Punishment".
And so the government isn't a person? Whoa, then technically the government, no matter what it decides should be allowed to do whatever the Hell it wants. Therefore if you disagree with the war on Iraq, too bad for you, the government decided and since it isn't a singular person it doesn't have to follow rules.Quote: If the one person who commited the origial offence, (-eye) then the person who was the victim (-eye) can go to the gov./laws for defence (+2eye) So, -eye -eye +2eye(goverment)= clean slate. I'm going to put this in terms of "life" as the government isn't out poking people's eyes out. Now; -Life = Death therefore; +life =/= Death so unless the government is handing out lives on the street corner the government cannot equal +life. So therefore, your math is horribly wrong.Quote: In love, it's fare to do as you must to be with the one you love, protect the one you love, and find happiness for the one you love. In war, it's just that, war. I think war crims are stupid. That whole thing with, "If you injure a enemy in battle and they are defenceless, you then must help them." Is bullshit. I'd go up, finish them off, and move on. Now, doing things to people NOT directly involved in the war, or places, then it's no longer war, it's theivery. Really? So if the person you love is in prison for say... armed robbery it's okay to bust them out, because you're doing what you must to be with the one you love? 'Fraid not, that's a horrible quote for the stalker in all of us.
And war crimes are in place to protect humans from unessicary cruelty. If someone is defenceless, why would you shoot them? And that's not even the point, it doesn't matter that YOU think they're stupid, the fact is that they're there so no, all is NOT fair in war.Quote: Because, it's CANADA. The name alone makes you happy and say... Canadian stuff, while sitting in igloos. ....No, you did not just read this. The U.S.A was also forged differently. Civil war, war of indepencance, war with mexico, stealing land from inians, our past is pretty violent, and that means our present will be violent. Also, since we had slavery late on, and many different races all mingled together, it creates fricition and friction = violence. Different area, different states. Oh! So because of wars and such that happened decades and decades ago your country is more violent? "Oh sorry sir, but since we had to fight for independance from Britian I'm going to have to shoot you now. It's the American way." I don't think so.
Canada was founded through war, the French came and took the land then the English came. The Huron's sided with the French and the Iroquois sided with the English (The Hurons and Iroquois were enemy tribes.) and eventually the English won. Then later Louis Riel a mètis attempted a revolution etc. etc. etc. Yet I've never seen any murderers using that as an excuse.Quote: Well, not very good exaples if the kid does it first, now are they? And yes, they can punish the child. But, the child, if they smoke or such, has not violated someone elses rights forever. They did not steal someones breath. Anything they did, they can repay. If they have killed someone in cold blood, in the most cruelist fasion, they must repay with their own death. No, they must not.
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Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 2:50 pm
Since it seems that the guild has gone temporarily stale, I will add a few topics to this discussion for those who want to discuss them:
-Gun Control.
-Affirmative action.
-Social security.
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 1:50 pm
toxic_lollipop Really? So if I get attacked after school what would I call it? Did they kill me even if I'm alive? You see if someone was to "Beat me Shitless" that would imply that I was infact being BEATEN as in being hit repeatedly with unnessicary force. And what your talking about with this whole "pain being associated with something bad" is better known as "shock therapy". It was also used as an attempt to make gay people straight, you know back when being gay could mean jail time. It's also known as "Cruel and Unusual Punishment". You would not be killed, because to kill is to end life, you are still alive. =3 And on the whole shock therapy, I agree with it. But, not on people for who they are, such as sexuality, or choice of dress. For something they do, as stealing, yes, it should be used. Quote: And so the government isn't a person? Whoa, then technically the government, no matter what it decides should be allowed to do whatever the Hell it wants. Therefore if you disagree with the war on Iraq, too bad for you, the government decided and since it isn't a singular person it doesn't have to follow rules. Yet, the goverment is controled by people chosen by whom it rules. I think we should all get our butts outta this war and let them set up their own goverment, but we elected a present who thought (thinks) differnetly, and we can't do a damn thing now. Quote: I'm going to put this in terms of "life" as the government isn't out poking people's eyes out. Now; -Life = Death therefore; +life =/= Death so unless the government is handing out lives on the street corner the government cannot equal +life. So therefore, your math is horribly wrong. But, there are two deaths, the victem and the offender, some times more. So, death+death(contiued)-death=stopped, no more death = life. surprised Quote: Really? So if the person you love is in prison for say... armed robbery it's okay to bust them out, because you're doing what you must to be with the one you love? 'Fraid not, that's a horrible quote for the stalker in all of us.
And war crimes are in place to protect humans from unessicary cruelty. If someone is defenceless, why would you shoot them? And that's not even the point, it doesn't matter that YOU think they're stupid, the fact is that they're there so no, all is NOT fair in war. No, that is going against law, but not going for love. It's not hindering your love, and busting someone out because you love them goes outside of that feeling. You can visit them in jail, and you can still love them if they are imprisoned. Quote: Oh! So because of wars and such that happened decades and decades ago your country is more violent? "Oh sorry sir, but since we had to fight for independance from Britian I'm going to have to shoot you now. It's the American way." I don't think so.
Canada was founded through war, the French came and took the land then the English came. The Huron's sided with the French and the Iroquois sided with the English (The Hurons and Iroquois were enemy tribes.) and eventually the English won. Then later Louis Riel a mètis attempted a revolution etc. etc. etc. Yet I've never seen any murderers using that as an excuse. No, but people harbor feelings. The people who fought in the war sometimes pressed their feelings onto their children, and so on so forth till the present until a few remained, which agitates the rest of us. Because no one uses that excuse; its not an excuse. But, the feeling in the air changes things. A happy, go lucky place like Lala land doesn't have mass murderers and rapists about. eek Really. <.<;; I believe they should.
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 1:52 pm
Against most of it. Automatics and open redgerstery (sp?) is good, but they should not take away our rights to weapons. ...What? This is completely stupid, and I believe they should just do away with it all. Have us save our own damn retirement fund.
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 3:58 pm
Gun control - I believe we should allow people their right to a weapon, but only to a certain extent. That means limiting to hand guns only in public, if even that. And it should be where people can see it.
Social Security - this is a huge problem and its going down. The baby boomers are paying for the social security now, and when they get old, there won't be enough people to pay for their retirement.
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:31 pm
-Gun Control.-Personally, I don't believe in weapons, because I'm a pascifist, and I would like to see guns have a heavier control. I would also like to see an age for gun and bullet purchase be oriented.
-Affirmative action.-I agree with it, even though I don't think it works all the time. The invisible glass ceiling will always exist, and people, even if they aren't prejudiced on who they can hire, CAN be prejudiced on the opportunity for advancement.
-Social security.-I believe that people need to learn responsibility, and perhaps doing away with this would help that.
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:35 am
[ Message temporarily off-line ]
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Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 9:19 pm
Sensedog Since it seems that the guild has gone temporarily stale, I will add a few topics to this discussion for those who want to discuss them: -Gun Control. I am for gun control. While guns are not nessecary for most people's everyday life, guns do have their role in many lives and should not be banned outright. I believe btter regulation is the key. I believe this is a great program that needs some tweaking. For those who are not aware, Affirmative Action is a government pogram that requires businesses and universities to maintain their population in accordance with the population of the city/state in which they are located. Basically, if 25% percent of your city's population is Mexican, 25% of the univeristy's population must also be Mexican. It is suposed to give minorites a greater chance of getting into college and getting jobs. I personally believe that it should be based off of socioeconomic. Looking at a student's race does not give te full story about their oppurtunities and hardships. While socioeconomics is hard to measure, it is a better degree of need than race alone. I don't think it should be taken away. The people who receive SS paid for it while they were working. There needs to be some retooling in order to support the growing retired community. Personal account may not be a bad idea, but they should not replace SS, merely be an add on.
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:51 pm
Alright, I have another issue to bring up. There is this woman who has been on life support for 15 years. She can breathe on her own, but she is brain dead. They are feeding her through a feeding tube. Should they or should they not pull the plug? There is one thing differen tfrom the regular pulling of the plug, though. Because they are feeding her, but she is breathing on her own, it would essentially be starving her to death. The husband want to take her off of it, but the parents do not.
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:22 am
Pandali Alright, I have another issue to bring up. There is this woman who has been on life support for 15 years. She can breathe on her own, but she is brain dead. They are feeding her through a feeding tube. Should they or should they not pull the plug? There is one thing differen tfrom the regular pulling of the plug, though. Because they are feeding her, but she is breathing on her own, it would essentially be starving her to death. The husband want to take her off of it, but the parents do not. All hail the Supreme Court they did something right!! Huzzah! That poor woman is dead now and no longer suffering. If you hadn't guessed I don't have many problems with euthenasia... Although starving to death aint pretty...I don't know all the particulars of the case ((I've been in Italy for a week)), was she actually brain dead? Would she have even noticed her stomach grumbling?
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Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:47 pm
I don't believe that they were ever 100% sure that she was brain dead. Most of the doctors believed so, but one thought he saw her react.
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 5:44 pm
Gay Rights- i dont know, i have talked to gay couples who say that they getting the right to marry is not that important, because in the end its the same thing... but many others dont feel that way so i dunno President Bush- i voted for kerry.... i dont want to waste a whole page with my complaints xp Sex before Marriage- if they are responsible then yes, but if they are just doing it to do it, then they should get their heads smashed in Death penalty- all for it. it costs alot of money, but in the end we wont have to waste more money on the murdering bungholes who just eat tax payers walets alive. twisted
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:24 am
Gay Rights- Nothing against them. They can do what they want, they're not hurting anyone, so I won't allow it to be my choice what they do with their own lives.
President Bush- He's pretty good. I feel safer that there are men over there in Iraq.
Sex before Marriage- It's against my religion, but this country doesn't live by one religion, so whatever floats your boat.
Death penalty- No. Unless they are absolutely sure that that person is guilty. Even then, I wonder.
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:39 pm
Gay Rights- Being gay does not make you less of a person. I am fully for gay people having the same rights as anyone else.
However, stories I have heard about governments legislating against anything that could constitute as "gay bashing" or insulting gays...is just...overboard, I think.
President Bush- I really didn't like either candidate, but I, if I had been able to vote, would have voted Kerry. I have mixed feelings on the war in Iraq, mostly negative, but I haven't done enough research into it to be able to hold up an argument, or talk much about it.
I don't like his stance on abortion (being pro-choice) or gay marriage though. I mean, trying to make a constitutional amendment against gay marriage, to me, is just....utter idiocy.
Sex before Marriage- Whatever you want, as long as you are of age, and consenting. Course, I would recommend that you have sex after -not marriage- but knowing you are mentally prepared, and able to pay for BC, and suchlike.
Death penalty- Once again, mixed. Strictly logically speaking, it saves us a lot of money, money we could put to a better use. These people can never, really, be of a use to society again, because we'd have to lock them up for the rest of their lives, otherwise.
However, there's the whole "unalienable rights" thing. If you have the right to life, why would it be rescinded, if it's "unalienable"? If the government has the ability to take away someone's life, why not yours? What kinds of crimes makes someone no longer eligible to live? Does the government have the power to decide that? And by allowing the death penalty, that's basically stating that it's okay for someone to kill another person? Would that be okay now? And also, how can we be sure he/she is guilty?
So it's kind of...practicality vs. the unalienable right to life. There's more to it, of course, but I think that's a major part.
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