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 Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:01 pm
rmcdra Sanguina Cruenta Uless Considering there is no belief in a Holy Spirit (or a divine good) nor an entity such as Satan (divine evil) in Paganism (or Wicca at least), the holy spirit shouldn't even come into this converstaion. We were discussing witchcraft, not Paganism. Also the Holy Spirit would be very important in Christian magical/witchraft traditions because of the gifts that are conveyed upon receiving Her, the Charismatas. srry for overlooking that, my fault.
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:05 pm
Uless rmcdra Sanguina Cruenta Uless Considering there is no belief in a Holy Spirit (or a divine good) nor an entity such as Satan (divine evil) in Paganism (or Wicca at least), the holy spirit shouldn't even come into this converstaion. We were discussing witchcraft, not Paganism. Also the Holy Spirit would be very important in Christian magical/witchraft traditions because of the gifts that are conveyed upon receiving Her, the Charismatas. srry for overlooking that, my fault. Most people forget that witchcraft =/= religion. It's okay. I just make a big deal because there's some stubborn people out there.
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:21 pm
To the OP
I think black and white magick is a depending thing that we all chose. Not all things in the light are good just as not all things in the dark are bad. Witchcraft has the three fold rule though. So its the same with all spells good or bad. Their not really white or black, but just different shades of all colors. Me, I'm a good person who wears black and looks like the biggest goth person at my school, yet I help freshman with homework, I part time teach and I help out my school and do good things.
Magick is the same way. Its what the spell does that counts. It doesn't have to be "black or white" to be said as bad or good.
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:30 pm
Trinity Neo Boom Witchcraft has the three fold rule No.
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 7:34 pm
Nines19 Trinity Neo Boom Witchcraft has the three fold rule No. And why would you say it doesnt???
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:08 pm
Trinity Neo Boom Nines19 Trinity Neo Boom Witchcraft has the three fold rule No. And why would you say it doesnt??? Because it doesn't. Sure, a witch can follow the Three fold Rule if s/he wishes. However, a witch can choose to not follow it and it doesn't make him/her any less of a witch. The Threefold Law is something taken from Wicca that has been a bit decontextualized.
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Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 10:22 pm
Violet Song jat Shariff Trinity Neo Boom Nines19 Trinity Neo Boom Witchcraft has the three fold rule No. And why would you say it doesnt??? Because it doesn't. Sure, a witch can follow the Three fold Rule if s/he wishes. However, a witch can choose to not follow it and it doesn't make him/her any less of a witch. The Threefold Law is something taken from Wicca that has been a bit decontextualized. violet knows her stuff! xd yes, Witchcraft, being not a religion, has absolutely no hard-fast rules. the threefold law is Wiccan.
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 12:38 am
Chieftain Twilight the threefold law is Wiccan. Well, the point really is that it's a ritual contrivance that has no actual relevance or application to non-initiates.
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 3:12 am
Sanguina Cruenta Chieftain Twilight the threefold law is Wiccan. Well, the point really is that it's a ritual contrivance that has no actual relevance or application to non-initiates. *shrugs.* consideing though how similar it is to Buddhist and Hindu belief of Karma, or to the Abrahamic religion's belief of that whoever blesses others will be blessed and whoever curses somone will be cursed, or even the Law of Attraction, i have to say it matters to everyone. i believe in the fat that you get what you give. whatever you are putting out is what will come back around to you.
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 3:24 am
Chieftain Twilight Sanguina Cruenta Chieftain Twilight the threefold law is Wiccan. Well, the point really is that it's a ritual contrivance that has no actual relevance or application to non-initiates. *shrugs.* consideing though how similar it is to Buddhist and Hindu belief of Karma, or to the Abrahamic religion's belief of that whoever blesses others will be blessed and whoever curses somone will be cursed, or even the Law of Attraction, i have to say it matters to everyone. i believe in the fat that you get what you give. whatever you are putting out is what will come back around to you. It's not at all similar to karma. As I said, it's a ritual contrivance. What it means I cannot know as I haven't participated in the relevant ritual. I've never met a Wiccan yet that believes what they send out comes back threefold, though, so if it does mean that sort of thing, it's not something they apply to their lives outside of that ritual. I have heard mention that some Wiccans think about it in a different sort of way, but again I think you need the ritual to actually understand that on a practical level. It's certainly not relevant to anyone other than Wiccans.
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:21 am
Sanguina Cruenta Chieftain Twilight Sanguina Cruenta Chieftain Twilight the threefold law is Wiccan. Well, the point really is that it's a ritual contrivance that has no actual relevance or application to non-initiates. *shrugs.* consideing though how similar it is to Buddhist and Hindu belief of Karma, or to the Abrahamic religion's belief of that whoever blesses others will be blessed and whoever curses somone will be cursed, or even the Law of Attraction, i have to say it matters to everyone. i believe in the fat that you get what you give. whatever you are putting out is what will come back around to you. It's not at all similar to karma. As I said, it's a ritual contrivance. What it means I cannot know as I haven't participated in the relevant ritual. I've never met a Wiccan yet that believes what they send out comes back threefold, though, so if it does mean that sort of thing, it's not something they apply to their lives outside of that ritual. I have heard mention that some Wiccans think about it in a different sort of way, but again I think you need the ritual to actually understand that on a practical level. It's certainly not relevant to anyone other than Wiccans. how is it not like karma? just because the difference between the amount worth that comes back, or whether it happens in your life or reincarnation? the idea behind it is the same. that you effect the energy around you.
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:30 am
Chieftain Twilight Sanguina Cruenta Chieftain Twilight Sanguina Cruenta Chieftain Twilight the threefold law is Wiccan. Well, the point really is that it's a ritual contrivance that has no actual relevance or application to non-initiates. *shrugs.* consideing though how similar it is to Buddhist and Hindu belief of Karma, or to the Abrahamic religion's belief of that whoever blesses others will be blessed and whoever curses somone will be cursed, or even the Law of Attraction, i have to say it matters to everyone. i believe in the fat that you get what you give. whatever you are putting out is what will come back around to you. It's not at all similar to karma. As I said, it's a ritual contrivance. What it means I cannot know as I haven't participated in the relevant ritual. I've never met a Wiccan yet that believes what they send out comes back threefold, though, so if it does mean that sort of thing, it's not something they apply to their lives outside of that ritual. I have heard mention that some Wiccans think about it in a different sort of way, but again I think you need the ritual to actually understand that on a practical level. It's certainly not relevant to anyone other than Wiccans. how is it not like karma? just because the difference between the amount worth that comes back, or whether it happens in your life or reincarnation? the idea behind it is the same. that you effect the energy around you. Because Karma has to do with debt/credit for actions that affects what a state a person reincarnates from what I understand and its only bearing regarding this life is because of past debts/credits in a prior life. Or at least that's how I learned what Karma is. Maybe someone else might want to give some elaboration or greater incite about what Karma is.
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:48 am
Does evil exsist??
i personally don't think so, most actions are made with good reson the that person in turn being good to them.
eg: hitler killing off Jews in the name of god, you and i think it is wrong but he didn't that is not "evil" (i was being generalised with the holocost sorry)
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:52 pm
Sanguina Cruenta Chieftain Twilight Sanguina Cruenta Chieftain Twilight the threefold law is Wiccan. Well, the point really is that it's a ritual contrivance that has no actual relevance or application to non-initiates. *shrugs.* consideing though how similar it is to Buddhist and Hindu belief of Karma, or to the Abrahamic religion's belief of that whoever blesses others will be blessed and whoever curses somone will be cursed, or even the Law of Attraction, i have to say it matters to everyone. i believe in the fat that you get what you give. whatever you are putting out is what will come back around to you. It's not at all similar to karma. As I said, it's a ritual contrivance. What it means I cannot know as I haven't participated in the relevant ritual. I've never met a Wiccan yet that believes what they send out comes back threefold, though, so if it does mean that sort of thing, it's not something they apply to their lives outside of that ritual. I have heard mention that some Wiccans think about it in a different sort of way, but again I think you need the ritual to actually understand that on a practical level. It's certainly not relevant to anyone other than Wiccans. I am wiccan and it is supposed to work exactly like karma, so... It is also technically supposed to effect everyone, just like karma, although with the tri-fold.
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Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:58 pm
xXrainbowrazorsXx Does evil exsist?? i personally don't think so, most actions are made with good reson the that person in turn being good to them. eg: hitler killing off Jews in the name of god, you and i think it is wrong but he didn't that is not "evil" (i was being generalised with the holocost sorry) on a scientific level, there is no such thing as evil, or even free will, because the brain is a chemical structure where chemicals make all decision making. Although the people who do evil knowingly are the truly corrupted people. I don't believe in "evil". I believe in "corrupted". Most people who are corrupted have a bad history or have a "shrunk brain"(not saying their brains are physically smaller, they just don't feel morality like most people do.) So no, I do not believe in evil.
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