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 Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:32 pm
Totrue-Tufaar Semiremis 841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330 Didn't Muhammed personally have the all the Jews in Arabia dealt with? So I've heard, but I'm not quite sure what you're getting at.
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Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:37 pm
SchizoSpazz i think that as long as we are on earth, there won't be a definitive answer to which is right and which is wrong. each religion has it's good points and that is why it continues to gather followers. i am a mormon, through baptism and thought, but i actually don't go to church with them, because it's not the religion itself that's giving me trouble, but the people in there who have too much pride in this area (where the mormon is the majority), and unless you are like them exactly how they want you to be, you are a social pariah. i occasionally go to the baptist church with my husband (he's a mormon too, but he has the same problem fitting into church as me). Does that have any official effect on your status in the Mormon Church? And I agree with your first statement, no one really has a definitive knowledge on this outside of their own subjective opinions.
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:42 pm
I firmly hold on to the belief that little bits and pieces of "The Truth" are hidden in each and every religion. It's probably different for everyone, as there are nearly endless interpretations of each and every religion's views and laws. Should one peice together this puzzle your maximum potential as a human can be reached. (See, it's estimated even the most intelligent people use only about 10% of their brain. The other 90% could contain just about anything, including the possibility of duplicating the miracles of Jesus, and generally manipulating the environment with thought. So I choose to believe.)
In short, my life goal and belief is to learn about and live in every possible walk of life and light in an attempt to figure out if there is indeed an answer in life, instead of giving up and saying there is no definitive answer. The goal requires I have an open mind, which is still really hard for me since I still see everything from only my point of view...
So yeah, that's why my beliefs and not yours. =P lol.
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:19 pm
In Medias Res IV There is no such thing as the "right religion". Be a good person, that's all that matters in life. This thread is going to turn into a battlefield with the first Christian claiming that those who do not accept Jesus as their personal saviour are going to hell.
I'm another Christian that's not saying it. razz
You know there is a difference between extremist and pacifist Christians as well. I think that waving a Bible around in peoples faces will do nothing but scare people off. People have to realize that they believe in God---making others believe is forceful, so it's better to give people good reasons WHY to believe. (Not: "You MUST!!" It just doesn't work. "You CAN!!" is the right statement) However pacifist I am, though, doesn't mean that I am weak in faith.
Why my religion though? It has a lot of guidelines that help me out when things are tough. That's why I stick to it.
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:32 pm
Why my religion? I am a Christian. (non denominational, I base my beliefs on the Bible not on tradition). I see truth in the Word of God. All that is concidered right in God's eyes is, well right on this world as well. Being a Christian feels... true. It gives me peace and I know that I don't need to earn my way to salvation, I don't need to do anything immoral (ever noticed how all the things God says are right are concidered moraly right on Earth?) or against my contious (because, again, ever noticed how your contious says the same thing God does?) becaus Jesus has paid the price and I am a child of God. I belive in Him as the one and only Lord and Savior.
Also, when I pray to God its real. He listens, he answers, and there is no ugly underbelly to God. He is good, he is holy.
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:37 pm
Dreamie Star Why my religion? I am a Christian. (non denominational, I base my beliefs on the Bible not on tradition). I see truth in the Word of God. All that is concidered right in God's eyes is, well right on this world as well. Being a Christian feels... true. It gives me peace and I know that I don't need to earn my way to salvation, I don't need to do anything immoral (ever noticed how all the things God says are right are concidered moraly right on Earth?) or against my contious (because, again, ever noticed how your contious says the same thing God does?) becaus Jesus has paid the price and I am a child of God. I belive in Him as the one and only Lord and Savior. Also, when I pray to God its real. He listens, he answers, and there is no ugly underbelly to God. He is good, he is holy. Exactly how I feel too. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:29 pm
Why my Religion? I'm a Pagan (unsure what sect I'm considered) And I'm proud of it. Why Paganism? Well because it's something I believe in, don't get me wrong I looked at monotheism and I couldn't believe in it if I wanted, it didn't feel right at all. I was monotheistic for a few days and I prayed in those few days and when I did I didn't feel like it was something I was proud of so I turned to Polytheism. I don't condemn anyone for not believing in my religion and I don't go around shoving my religion down peoples' throats. My beliefs are mine alone, I don't believe my religion is the right way to "heaven" since so many other religion's are out there and as such mine is just another way to attain what we all hope for in the afterlife. Though I believe in Reincarnation so it would be temporary being "dead." I have no idea what religion is right and what is wrong we all exist in this world and have a right to believe in what we wish too. Though I have been condemned by Christians and been told I'm going to Hell (something that pushed me away from the religion) I know it's because they love their religion though it gives them no right to tell me that.
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 4:41 pm
Ordo Draconis et Atri Adamantis aka Dragon Rouge..."The darkness is a mirror of the depths of the soul. All that is hidden inside us, our desires and our fears, is projected on the darkness."
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Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:53 pm
When I was a kid I went to a Christian Church with my grandparents. I didn't really think about the things I was taught, I just excepted them in the way that many children do. When I was about 13 though, I really started listening and asking questions and a great deal of what I discoverd just seemed wrong. I simply didn't believe the things I was being taught. I spent the next five years or so trying to figure out what I did believe and finally stumbled on paganism. I spent a few more years digging around and reasearching different types of beliefes and dieties. Finally I found Heathenism, the path of the old Gods of the North. Odin and Frejya and thier kin called to me and it was like coming home. It's the right religion for me but I lay no claims to any overall truth. Any religion, or lack thereof, is juat as valid as any other even if I disagree with any particular ones or some of them seem kind of nutty.
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:41 am
Personally, I wish I could be religious.
As ridiculous as that is, its true. I miss that safe feeling that everything was going to work out and be okay, but then I realised I was using that as an excuse to not grow up and face reality but IN MY OPINION, religion is simply that, delusion.
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 11:39 am
Ayumila Personally, I wish I could be religious. As ridiculous as that is, its true. I miss that safe feeling that everything was going to work out and be okay, but then I realised I was using that as an excuse to not grow up and face reality but IN MY OPINION, religion is simply that, delusion. Nothing about my religion tells me I'm safe or that it will all be okay. Yes, it has an afterlife but eventually, even that comes to an end. And not a peaceful one either. It doesn't make me feel safe so much as it just feel right to me. There are models to emulate or deny and standards to live by. Granted you can really get those anywhere in life but these specific models and standards suit me.
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Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:11 pm
heart Before there was religion, there was God. And God was truth. Therefor, before there was religion, there was truth.
What then is religion? Religion is a tool. It may bring us closer to that truth, or it may lead us very far astray. Let us not forget that religion is the intrument of man, divised for his own purposes, both worldly and divine alike. heart
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:37 pm
alteregoivy Alright then, if you are Catholic, why do you believe the Bible? Why the Bible, and not some other religious texts? Many of those texts give just as dire warnings as the Bible does about worshiping other gods and false idols. Don't quote me scripture; I've read it. I find no reason to chose the Bible over other religious texts; why do you? (Not trying to be mean, just asking an assertive question. ^_^) Well, since this really hasn't been answered (at least, not to my satisfaction), I thought I'd take a stab. The Bible is simply a collection of religious texts that the Church Fathers agreed were in line with the teachings of the apostles. Catholics use both Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture as sources for doctrine. When they looked at all the books that had been written about Jesus, they basically said, "Look, they match!" At least, that's the simple explanation.
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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:52 pm
In Medias Res IV You believe in Christ and thus you will be "saved" by doctrine. This is a very shallow view of most Christian teachings on salvation. It doesn't even do justice to the Protestant's "faith alone" salvation philosophy (which includes a grace component), let alone the Catholic faith + works + grace salvation philosophy. For Catholics, it's not about simply believing in Christ. It's about following him and his commandments. In Medias Res IV I don't believe that Christian persecution exists, but it is fact that 6 million Jews were murdered simply for being Jewish. Where are their souls? By Christian doctrine, they're in Hell. Ok, you are simply flat out ignoring the fact that Semiremis has already given you evidence that the teachings of the biggest Christian denomination on the planet specifically state that Jews can be saved. Read those quotes from the Catechism. Google Vatican II documents on the subject if you need further proof. I understand that you're angry, but at least direct that anger at the people who are the cause of it. In Medias Res IV I will take offence to any anti-semitism towards the Jewish nation. Judaism teaches that ALL righteous people have a place in heaven, yet, Christianity teaches that only those who are "saved" inherit the kingdom of G-d. Please tell me how that is fair and not full of intolerance and hate. You want to talk about fairness? How fair is it that you take a religious teaching from a minority of Christians and apply it to all Christians, refusing to accept that their beliefs really are different and blaming them for the all the problems caused by other people?
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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:53 pm
Semiremis Totrue-Tufaar Semiremis 841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330 Didn't Muhammed personally have the all the Jews in Arabia dealt with? So I've heard, but I'm not quite sure what you're getting at. Or, rather he venerated them as "People of the Book" (literal translation), saying that since they worship the same God of Abraham as Islam, they alone will not face the choice of conversion or death. As a penalty, he instituted extra taxes on them for their slightly different beliefs, to encourage them to convert. Except for extremist sects, Islam has calmed down about conversion - modern laws and all just make such tactics unfeasible and bad publicity. From what I've seen, most Muslims today would rather focus on their inner Jihad - conquering themselves for Allah. lizabeth vi In Medias Res IV You believe in Christ and thus you will be "saved" by doctrine. This is a very shallow view of most Christian teachings on salvation. It doesn't even do justice to the Protestant's "faith alone" salvation philosophy (which includes a grace component), let alone the Catholic faith + works + grace salvation philosophy. For Catholics, it's not about simply believing in Christ. It's about following him and his commandments. In Medias Res IV I don't believe that Christian persecution exists, but it is fact that 6 million Jews were murdered simply for being Jewish. Where are their souls? By Christian doctrine, they're in Hell. Ok, you are simply flat out ignoring the fact that Semiremis has already given you evidence that the teachings of the biggest Christian denomination on the planet specifically state that Jews can be saved. Read those quotes from the Catechism. Google Vatican II documents on the subject if you need further proof. I understand that you're angry, but at least direct that anger at the people who are the cause of it. In Medias Res IV I will take offence to any anti-semitism towards the Jewish nation. Judaism teaches that ALL righteous people have a place in heaven, yet, Christianity teaches that only those who are "saved" inherit the kingdom of G-d. Please tell me how that is fair and not full of intolerance and hate. You want to talk about fairness? How fair is it that you take a religious teaching from a minority of Christians and apply it to all Christians, refusing to accept that their beliefs really are different and blaming them for the all the problems caused by other people? Look, is it in the book itself? Then it's something that Christians, ideally, should *all* follow, barring instances where it's impossible. [url=http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts 4:1-15&version=NIV]Acts 4:1-15, NIV from Biblegateway.com[/url] Peter and John Before the Sanhedrin 1The priests and the captain of the temple guard and the Sadducees came up to Peter and John while they were speaking to the people. 2They were greatly disturbed because the apostles were teaching the people and proclaiming in Jesus the resurrection of the dead. 3They seized Peter and John, and because it was evening, they put them in jail until the next day. 4But many who heard the message believed, and the number of men grew to about five thousand. 5The next day the rulers, elders and teachers of the law met in Jerusalem. 6Annas the high priest was there, and so were Caiaphas, John, Alexander and the other men of the high priest's family. 7They had Peter and John brought before them and began to question them: "By what power or what name did you do this?" 8Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them: "Rulers and elders of the people! 9If we are being called to account today for an act of kindness shown to a cripple and are asked how he was healed, 10then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. 11He is " 'the stone you builders rejected, which has become the capstone. 12Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." 13When they saw the courage of Peter and John and realized that they were unschooled, ordinary men, they were astonished and they took note that these men had been with Jesus. 14But since they could see the man who had been healed standing there with them, there was nothing they could say. 15So they ordered them to withdraw from the Sanhedrin and then conferred together. Uhm, no salvation except through him? Acts 4:12 spells it out, the rest is for context to show that I'm not misquoting. NIV is the academic version of the bible, compiled in the 60's and 70's, then updated in the 80's, by scholars who went back to the oldest available texts, and translated them. Teams of translators argued for years about how to phrase things to present the original context. However, chose your version on the site - you'll find a similar passage here, just slightly rephrased. No, I'm not christian anymore. Mark 10:14 to those who wish to change that. To those who want to use this board for it's intent, I'll happily oblige.
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