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alteregoivy

PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:06 pm


If you are fundamentalist and feel that your religion is the only right way, why is that? Why couldn't one of the other religions be right?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:10 pm


There is no such thing as the "right religion". Be a good person, that's all that matters in life.

This thread is going to turn into a battlefield with the first Christian claiming that those who do not accept Jesus as their personal saviour are going to hell.

In Medias Res IV


tobiwants2cookies

PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:11 pm


religion is something of the eye of the beholder... I myself am Mormon and wouldn't trade it for the world so I believe it is the true religion for me, I also believe that other religions are true in their own way if not how could they get their followers?
PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:14 pm


I never said anyone is going to hell and I'm the first one here (I don't even believe in hell as fire and brimstone) *dances around for not being a hater*

tobiwants2cookies


In Medias Res IV

PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:17 pm


tobiwants2cookies
I never said anyone is going to hell and I'm the first one here (I don't even believe in hell as fire and brimstone) *dances around for not being a hater*


WTF, I said the first christian who says...
PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:17 pm


There isn't a true religion. Religion doesn't always fit everyone. Each and every religion has their own belief on what heaven and hell is. And sometimes that beliefs is very different.

Second Christian and didn't say "YOU'RE GOING TO HELL MANDA PANDA!" (my new nickname for you IMR don't kill me)

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In Medias Res IV

PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:21 pm


-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden
There isn't a true religion. Religion doesn't always fit everyone. Each and every religion has their own belief on what heaven and hell is. And sometimes that beliefs is very different.

Second Christian and didn't say "YOU'RE GOING TO HELL MANDA PANDA!" (my new nickname for you IMR don't kill me)




You're allowed to call me whatever you want heart
PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:22 pm


*zips lip shut not wanting to argue about Mormons being Christian there's a thread for that*

tobiwants2cookies


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 5:17 pm


Currently Pentacostal, tried Catholic, Baptist, Jehovah's Witness, Muselem, Methodist, Apostolic, non-denominational. They all had some good and not so good things to offer. Some were experienced under the council of parent figures and others after I became age eighteen. Under the Pentacostal persuation I received the HOLY SPIRIT, spoke in other tonges, and had prayers answers. Something man has no control over. I have a relationship with GOd and thats more important than any of the titles of religion. It happen for me as a pentacostal so I'll continue to follow their direction the experience and education has been great.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:54 pm


tobiwants2cookies
*zips lip shut not wanting to argue about Mormons being Christian there's a thread for that*
lol! I am not mormon and I know the LDS church is christian, I won't argue with you, it's that whole thing called experience, for people who say your are not christian to understand that you are. they should go to a meeting some time lol!!
I really don't call my religion, religion I call it my spiritual path everyone has their own path to follow. I do not place a validation sticker on whose right. It would become very costly! you know buying stickers and all.

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Semiremis
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:58 pm


alteregoivy
If you are fundamentalist and feel that your religion is the only right way, why is that? Why couldn't one of the other religions be right?


I'm no fundie but I believe my religion to be correct, if I didn't than it wouldn't be my religion. As a Catholic I do believe that it is the 'only right way', you can't believe in the God of Abraham and then say that those worshiping Thor are on the right path, it's not a part of Catholic dogma. With that being said, it doesn't mean that we should go around playing God and condemning people to hell, that's not our job. I don't point out people who are going to hell and who aren't because I don't know, only God knows the hearts of man and I'm not the big guy upstairs and I have much more faith in his mercy and love.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church says this on the matter:

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338


Source
PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:01 pm


Semiremis
alteregoivy
If you are fundamentalist and feel that your religion is the only right way, why is that? Why couldn't one of the other religions be right?


I'm no fundie but I believe my religion to be correct, if I didn't than it wouldn't be my religion. As a Catholic I do believe that it is the 'only right way', you can't believe in the God of Abraham and then say that those worshiping Thor are on the right path, it's not a part of Catholic dogma. With that being said, it doesn't mean that we should go around playing God and condemning people to hell, that's not our job. I don't point out people who are going to hell and who aren't because I don't know, only God knows the hearts of man and I'm not the big guy upstairs and I have much more faith in his mercy and love.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church says this on the matter:

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338


Source


Then what about Muslims and especially Jews who worship the G-d of Abraham, just as you do?

In Medias Res IV


Semiremis
Captain

PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:15 pm


In Medias Res IV
Semiremis
alteregoivy
If you are fundamentalist and feel that your religion is the only right way, why is that? Why couldn't one of the other religions be right?


I'm no fundie but I believe my religion to be correct, if I didn't than it wouldn't be my religion. As a Catholic I do believe that it is the 'only right way', you can't believe in the God of Abraham and then say that those worshiping Thor are on the right path, it's not a part of Catholic dogma. With that being said, it doesn't mean that we should go around playing God and condemning people to hell, that's not our job. I don't point out people who are going to hell and who aren't because I don't know, only God knows the hearts of man and I'm not the big guy upstairs and I have much more faith in his mercy and love.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church says this on the matter:

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338


Source


Then what about Muslims and especially Jews who worship the G-d of Abraham, just as you do?


847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

I strongly believe that that would cover most if not all of them.

If you're looking for my own personal opinion then I stick with what I said before, that I don't know and to be honest I've never looked at anyone and wondered about where their final resting place would be. If I judge anyone than it will be on their character and not on their religious convictions.

From the same source and just a few lines up the Catechism covers salvation as it applies to both Jews and Muslims:

839 "Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways."325

The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,326 "the first to hear the Word of God."327 The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews "belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ",328 "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."329

840 And when one considers the future, God's People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330
PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:19 pm


Semiremis
In Medias Res IV
Semiremis
alteregoivy
If you are fundamentalist and feel that your religion is the only right way, why is that? Why couldn't one of the other religions be right?


I'm no fundie but I believe my religion to be correct, if I didn't than it wouldn't be my religion. As a Catholic I do believe that it is the 'only right way', you can't believe in the God of Abraham and then say that those worshiping Thor are on the right path, it's not a part of Catholic dogma. With that being said, it doesn't mean that we should go around playing God and condemning people to hell, that's not our job. I don't point out people who are going to hell and who aren't because I don't know, only God knows the hearts of man and I'm not the big guy upstairs and I have much more faith in his mercy and love.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church says this on the matter:

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338


Source


Then what about Muslims and especially Jews who worship the G-d of Abraham, just as you do?


847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

I strongly believe that that would cover most if not all of them.

If you're looking for my own personal opinion then I stick with what I said before, that I don't know and to be honest I've never looked at anyone and wondered about where their final resting place would be. If I judge anyone than it will be on their character and not on their religious convictions.

From the same source and just a few lines up the Catechism covers salvation as it applies to both Jews and Muslims:

839 "Those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways."325

The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,326 "the first to hear the Word of God."327 The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God's revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews "belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ",328 "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."329

840 And when one considers the future, God's People of the Old Covenant and the new People of God tend towards similar goals: expectation of the coming (or the return) of the Messiah. But one awaits the return of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as Lord and Son of God; the other awaits the coming of a Messiah, whose features remain hidden till the end of time; and the latter waiting is accompanied by the drama of not knowing or of misunderstanding Christ Jesus.

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330


My father, a devout Catholic, is a huge Zionist. Them Catholics love themselves some Jewry.

In Medias Res IV


Semiremis
Captain

PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:29 pm


Quote:
My father, a devout Catholic, is a huge Zionist. Them Catholics love themselves some Jewry.


What does your fathers political views have to do with any of this? confused
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