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 Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:58 pm
Well, it was posted under Lord and Lady banner thinger. So I got confused. ::nod:: I thought Lord/Lady was different from Samurai or something....
And yes, my brain is gone. My mind has been under a state of constant stress, emotionally, physically and mentally. stressed
Thank you and good night. xp
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 6:28 pm
Yes, because we don't have a new banner after we changed the name of the class. *Uppercuts through the roof.* Also, it was late, so I realize now that I missed one paragraph in the introduction. I'll edit that now. Edit: the edit Stances are another way that a Samurai can increase his combat potential, however these also carry a slight drawback with them. They position a fighter's body in such a way that they will be more effective, however to maintain the bennefits mean that the Samurai must also maintain the stance. When in a stance, a Samurai is immobilized, and cannot move other than to take one or two pivoting steps to change the way that he faces; normally only done during a strike. This means that the Samurai cannot gain the bennefits of a stance when giving chase to an enemy, but once the adversary is cornered, the ensuing battle can be very, very short. In short, with everything combined... Samurai are a very powerful melee class, and (crap, forgot, need to edit that in, too. ANYWAYS,) are proficient with the japanese Yumi bow (a bow of about 6' in length). They wear at most light armor, due to the class' bias towards speed and agility. Also, though, they have sort of a 'mental stamina' bar. razz The longer that they are engaged in combat, and the more techniques that they use, the more drain is put upon this, and... Well, there's a paragraph about that. All in all, what can I say? They seem like they'll be great fun, at least to me. And before anyone complains about the lack of an "OMFG U GOT SO PWNED!" attack at 5th level, I'll just say this: A Daimyo dropped into a Perfect Stance while using Focus is more or less the hand of God to anything within fifteen feet of where he's standing. If it CAN be cut by his sword, he is perfectly able to completely own on it. For about nine seconds... at which point he becomes a twitching mass on the ground who's hand is to shakey to even hold his own sword. biggrin ...but, hey... meditation is a good relaxation technique. 4laugh
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 11:29 pm
Martial Artist class (yes, Martial Artist... Fighter name now belongs to the previously Swordsmen class) is done and waiting for a lookover and approval.
GIVE ME INPUT, DAMNIT.
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:35 pm
Right. So I'm not crew or anything obviously, but any feedback is good, right?
Personally, I prefer the general profile format that Joseph Brown used for engineer. I realize that for classes like Samurai, it's very difficult to create such a system. But I think that is really hard because WoG has too many melee classes. Honestly, why should there be a separation of Samurai and Knight? Yes, I realize that they represent the different regions, but fundmentally they are very similar. It seems to me like it would be better to combine those classes into one, and then offer specializations representing standard samurai/knight techniques. Let the players make a distinction between East and West with their unique characters, rather than forcing it on them through the class system.
However, I think that Martial Artist is a class that could easily have different specializations. For instance, you could create specialties in specific types of attacks/techniques: punching, throwing, kicking, and what not. You could also create a set of specialties for the typical martial artist weapons. Then, there could also be some specialties for typical attributes of a martial artist such as speed, power, defense, countering, etc. And, you could even add things such as strongly developed senses, or something involving ki/chakra (sounds like a bad anime, I know, but I think it could be done well).
By letting martial artists specialize, you give people the option of total customization. They can completely sacrifice defense for an unstoppable attack, for instance. Or, if people want, they can still have characters with abilities at roughly the same level as your current progression by picking weak specialties in everything. This keeps characters more varied yet still forces characters to be balanced compared to each other.
And about your earlier comment about no one writing it up, I'd be happy to rewrite this class according to what I described. That is, if you guys would even want an outsider to help the progression. From what I've seen, WoG is a very good RP, and I'd like to see it running ASAP. As such, I'd be glad to help if you guys want it. Plus, it can't hurt to have an outside opinion, especially since you don't even have to listen to me.
Anyway, if you decide to ignore my suggestion about reformatting and don't want my help, I still have a suggestion for the class as it is. I think the progression of techniques wasn't developed very well. A martial artist must be at the third rank before he can throw? I understand not letting the first rank use a complicated throw, but as the only class that can specialize in throwing, martial artists of all levels should have some kind of throwing technique. And also, ducking is not a complicated maneuver. I think even the lowest level of martial artist ought to be capable of this, if not weaving as well. After all, this is their area of expertise. Then, the last thing I suggest is also including something about weapons technique, since martial artists can have weapons.
Oh, and the last thing I have: I hope everything I said made sense. It seems that whenever I write feedback, my comments tend not to flow or even make sense half the time. Hopefully you understood what I was saying, and hopefully I wasn't too repetitive. If I was, I apologize for it. Anyway, I hope you consider my suggestions.
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:51 pm
1. If you want to rewrite the classes through the customization system, feel free. I did what I did because I don't have time for that and already had that half done.
2. The Knight, Samurai, and Gunner are written separately because they are separate. They are NOT THE SAME CLASS.
3. While I appreciate comments and feedback, I find it pointless when the entire concept includes two common themes:
- "I think you should have written the classes so that we can choose skill progression."
- "It would have been better if you took out all the flavor text and just wrote 'improves defense' under the skill."
It's good to know that four hours of time I should have spent doing homework means so much to you.
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:04 pm
There, I added one word and erased the first half of a sentence.
That should resolve about 4 paragraphs of that.
As for the rest: use your imagination.
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Joseph Brown Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:06 pm
arrow Fighter class has been posted. Get to it.
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:44 pm
Sey Magic is power granted by the Elementals and is controlled by Mages who speak Ancient Gaian - the fabled language that is Magic itself, created by the Elemenatls so that Gaians can control their power in their stead. With the departure of the Elementals into dormancy, they took their chosen Scions and taught them ancient Gaian, showing them how to control the power that they were given. Eventually they adapted the Homes of the Elementals - The 6 Temples - as their places of learning. With control over the language of their ancestors, the Scions wielded the power of the Elementals, voicing their wants and desires through the ancient language and drawing the power of the Elementals into Gaia. Mages are not the only ones that can learn and use ancient Gaian - though they are the only ones that can control the Elementals through it. The strength of the language is evident in whoever speaks it, as some say that it draws it's power through the Nothing that created the Elementals themselves. The language's Element manipulating power is only accessible by those who have the born touch of magic, which is sown randomly through the Gaian population. Either way, it is a known fact that those who speak Ancient Gaian cannot lie with it's words. Oaths and statements spoken and written in the language are binding until fulfilled, be it to the grave and beyond. (This does not prevent one from not telling the complete truth, dodging the question and all those other sly deeds) With this useful effect, the learned world uses Ancient Gaian as much as possible for legal documents, international treaties and various agreements. All Elemental Bloodlines are expected to speak Ancient Gaian, and are taught as such by their parents and families. The few that do not are those that were raised away from the influence of their Bloodline. Through their knowledge of the language structure of Ancient Gaian, mages can call lightning, rend stone into loam, calm the roughest seas, hurl fire from their hands, shield with the power of light and wrap an enemy's soul within a blanket of darkness. Their powers are unique yet different, and yet one in the same, as they tamper with powers that predate Gaia herself. For those not raised speaking the language, it takes years to master the unique pronounciations, structure and alphabet of the near forgotten argot. Learning Ancient Gaian is a fraction of the battle; controling the power that the words they speak conducts, is a life long journey. No. *Shoots it down.* Go ahead and have your fancy language, but it's just that, a language. As a language, it will do all the things that languages do. Sey Initiates are newly discovered in their Magical abilities and the range of power in this rank has the widest range out of all 6 tiers. A Mage is required to be an Initiate for 6 months, unless stated otherwise by an Avatar, or the head of the Temple/Shrine/School. It is in this rank that all knowledge of how to write in Ancient Gaian is learned. Basic sentence structure, how to properly voice requests to the spirits, spirit lore and basic bloodline recognition is also learned. Knowledge of "Absolutes" is learned. Absolutes are direct commands which have 2 outcomes - success or failure. For Initiates, knowledge of how to voice commands as non-absolutes is the first lesson that is taught after learning the basics of Ancient Gaian. The use of absolutes is how the majority of Initiates loose their lives. Given a situation such as a bleeding thigh, a skilled initiate can heal this wound through their slight control over the Elements. One would naturally say, "Stop the bleeding in my thigh", but if the wound was serious enough, the Initiate would be extremely drained, or thrown into a coma. A wise Initiate would use a Process instead of an Absolute. Instead of "Stop the bleeding in my thigh" the command would be "Slow the bleeding in my thigh". The slowed blood flow would be controllable by a cloth covering, and eventually stop on it's own. Only Avatars can safely use Absolutes. Even then, they must be careful what their commands are. Beginner Spirit Summoning is also taught as an Initiate, along with a myriad of vocabulary that can be assembled into defensive and offensive words. Eventually, when one reaches the point where they are ready to proceed on as a Acolyte, they must choose their first Focus and break off from their classmates into more specific classes, where one learns more about a certain focus then another. Again... no magic language. You're not allowed to say "Flames spring from the ground and burn that tree" and suddenly it happens. And magic is CERTAINLY not going to be measured on how well a person is at speaking. Otherwise my Lawyer is going to cast Firaga IV on your army, and they're all going to fall down. Because he can speak a language fluently. Ohmagosh. AIM the seystress: People who aren't mages, who don't have a connection that's inborn with the Spirits, can speak Ancient Gaian but they can't use magic to manipulate it the seystress: You can scream "fire fire fire" as much as you want but no fire the seystress: is going to pop out of your hands TheMightyJello: So only bloodlines can use magic.the seystress: Noooooo :: faps you :: the seystress: Before the Scions, there were people who had the potential to use magic - it's just an inborn trait. It appears pretty much randomly in a family the seystress: But BEFORE the Scions there was no magic - not for Gaians at least the seystress: After they gave the scions the knowlege of Ancient Gaian, people who had that ability could use it - through their knowlege of said langauge. the seystress: It's not limited to only the bloodline - JUST READ JOSH the seystress: XD TheMightyJello: You need to take ALL that language stuff OUT of that post.
TheMightyJello: Make another post for 'ancient gaian', or whatever. Unless the language itself, the very words of it, are magic, then it doesn't belong there.
Especially considering that you supposedly can't lie in that language, despite that it's just a language, as you stated. It's not magic, it doesn't control magic, it's just an old, forgotten language.
TheMightyJello: It's like saying someone speaking elvish can't tell you that their name is Babbaganoosh and they come from the moon.There isn't really much more to say than this: NO. *Awaits the cold, unfeeling hand of cencorship.* You need to rewrite all of that with something that not only makes sense, but fits with the story you've already established. I don't care if you think that it's cool, or that you just want it, or that your friends think that it's cool. I don't like it, and that's one vote. Let's hear who votes up or down on this, eh?
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:36 pm
I'm going to have to support Jello on this one.
Speaking the truth
Having an Ancient Language that you can only speak the truth in? That's just silly. Why? Why do you want it? What interesting plotlines or situations will arise out of having it?
A language in which you can only speak the truth (for no apparent reason, might I add) is actually detrimental and limiting to the roleplay. Having a means by which people can determine the truth so easily will cut down on the level of intrigue so much it just isn't funny. Even if you're not obliged to speak the whole truth, what's to stop people from asking flat out "Is that the whole truth?" If you don't answer yes, well, then they know you're lying, don't they? Having such a widely available method of forcing people to speak truthfully is just..no.
Avoiding absolutes
What the hell? So...how am I supposed to throw a fireball at someone, then? If I can't' say "Could you chuck a fireball at someone's head, please?" what am I supposed to say? "Could you please gradually cause the air around someone's head to combust?"
...no. That's just silly. If I want to throw a fireball, I want to throw a fireball, not come up with some convoluted method of getting the elementals to gradually create the effect I desire.
Literacy
So...I guess every mage has to be well-educated, and attend school at the temple. None of our mages can be backwater characters, who can barely read or write, but have a natural talent for magic. ...I guess the earth tribe doesn't have any mages. Whoops.
No. That's not the way things should be.
Being internally inconsistent
So...knowledge of the language doesn't grant magic, but magic seems to be nothing other than speaking the language. That's just...weird, man. Weird.
Being inconsistent with the storyline.
Wait...I thought the elementals were sleeping, and that major, world changing things happened when you woke them up? How come we're letting the most insignificant little mages toy with drawing power directly from the elementals?
Copyright laws
Dude, if you're going to come up with a crappy magic system, come up with your OWN crappy magic system. Don't rip it from some book.
In conclusion
My votes with Jello. No. No way, no how. If you want to have an ancient language, fine...but its only a language. It could be the language educated mages are taught to cast their spells in, but it should have nothing to do with the actual spellcasting.
In the future don't rip your systems from books or other sources. Being inspired by another source is cool and all...but taking the exact system and barely managing to adapt it to another world? Especially when you didn't even make an attempt to give the author credit? No. That's a horrible thing to do, and I'm ashamed to be associated with someone who would do that.
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:55 pm
It's nice to know that someone other than me recognized the source as being from a book.
For those that are curious as to where this was stolen some, it's 'Eragon' and 'Eldest', the two books in a series by Christopher Paolini.
So I say no. Not only because it does not fit with this world, but because it's a major copyright infringement. I'm fine with basing systems off of things. This is blatently stealing.
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:17 pm
Well then it's getting thrown out. As for the Paolini bit, I'm shocked and appalled that fellow writers would accuse me of plagerism when god only knows that I know how much it hurts, and I'm at a Superbowl Party ATM but I find that this matter is one to be addressed immediately. Lovely AIM [21:20] hexeos: ...and what exactly do you have to say in explanation? [21:21] the seystress: Firstly, I actually wrote and got MAIL back from Mr. Paolini thansk very much. My father got me a signed copy of Eldest and after the release of Eragon I was mailing him like a rabid fangirl since I admire him deeply since he came up wtih the book when he was oh FIFTEEN YEARS OLD [21:21] the seystress: He said that he was flattered to hear that I respected him so much and I asked him if I could use a similar system for WoG - and he said that AS LONG AS I DIDN'T MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT it was fine [21:22] the seystress: So shut your trap. [21:22] the seystress: I'm already talking to Dan and Josh and it's getting fixed -_- [21:22] hexeos: Similar, maybe. But this is taken directly. And even with permission, that annoys me, especially as you gave the author no credit. [21:23] the seystress: My first statement to both Vahn and Dan at first was OHMYGOD - Do you know of Christopher Paolini? He actually answered my mail! [21:23] the seystress: It's NOT taken directly. The bit about absolutes and procedures is direct [21:23] the seystress: but nothing else is direct [21:23] the seystress: what else are you supposed to call something that's a direct statement and a way to get to somethin? [21:23] the seystress: *something? [21:23] hexeos: No, the absolutes is there. Brom warns Eragon so, so many times to not work in absolutes, because doing so could destroy him. [21:23] the seystress: YES [21:23] the seystress: I KNOW [21:24] the seystress: Didn't I JUST say that? [21:24] hexeos: ...ok, I misread. [21:24] hexeos: The useage of the language is the same, even. Everything about it is the same. [21:24] hexeos: I saw a few, few differences to try and make it fit, but beyond that it was almost exact. [21:26] the seystress: That's the main reason why it's getting thrown out =_=; I thought it was a good system for WoG, but obviously, the concensus shows that it ISN'T. [21:26] hexeos: ...I'll admit. Alot of my anger there is that as a writer, that you wouldn't even credit him. but the system doesn;t fit in WoG. [21:26] the seystress: I wasn't even done wtih the freaking description! [21:26] hexeos: *mutters* ...dammit, everyone else taking care of things before I can vent properly... [21:26] the seystress: I left as soon I realized that ohmygod, my ride's here. I hit submit and ditched. [21:28] the seystress: AND GODDAMNIT Steelers are winning [21:29] hexeos: *sighs* ...whatever. It's being handled, apparently. And even if I don't trust Josh, I trust Dan. So I'll shut up and go sit silently in my corner like usual. [21:30] the seystress: No, don't sit in a corner silently, yell at things you want changed and write stuff [21:30] the seystress: because that's how things work in WoG XD Well that's THAT... And with that being the majority of what I was extremely pissed off about, I can look at everything else you guys wrote with a calmer eye. The introduction of the language was supposed to try and contain the mage tiers into different ranks - seperated by something other then an intangible 'skill' level and set spells that only initiates can do, only acolytes can do, etc. etc. Owle's bit about how there can't be backwater mages is plausible, because mages sent out to find children who can wield magic could miss some backwater village or something. Then again they couldn't. ... gonk Seattle lost. Auuuuuuuuuuugh... !@#$%^@^)(&* Whatever you guys deem salvagable you guys can mess with. I'm going on a college visit next weekend and, this week, like last week, I won't be able to get online during the weekdays. I'll try and hop on, but there aren't any guarentees as usual. I'll try and be more coherent next week, but I'm stuck in Steeler revelry D: Noooo
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:41 pm
The fact that you got his permission actually changes little of what I said. You are legally within rights to use a similar system, since you got his permission...but that doesn't change that it isn't YOUR system. You ripped it from another source.
Since you asked permission, I'm only a little ashamed to be associated with you. However, I still am ashamed because you felt the need to use another author's exact ideas instead of your own, without giving him credit.
As for you not being done with the description...if you wanted us to wait till you were done with it to criticize it, then why did you IM us all telling us you'd posted it and asking for opinions? sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:56 pm
Sey [21:22] the seystress: I'm already talking to Dan and Josh and it's getting fixed -_- Lie one. You are not talking to Dan and Josh about it. Maybe you're talking to Dan about it... we'll ask him. But you aren't talking to me about it. I started giving feedback, then you didn't respond for twenty minutes and signed off of AIM. You know, the usual. Sey [21:26] the seystress: I left as soon I realized that ohmygod, my ride's here. I hit submit and ditched. Lie two. You posted it, IMed me to take a look at it, and exchanged commentary about it for a good fifteen minutes or so. Now, did you do this before, or after you 'hit submit and ran out'? Obviously you've had time to think this over, since you had it all written up already, and read books on it. Why does it make so little sense? Why are you submitting unfinished work to the main forum? Shouldn't you put this in the mod discussion forum so we can... you know... give appropriate feedback and perhaps help to make it actually fit? Owle Isohos As for you not being done with the description...if you wanted us to wait till you were done with it to criticize it, then why did you IM us all telling us you'd posted it and asking for opinions? sweatdrop ...looks like I'm not the only one you were talking to after you 'hit submit and ran'. Sey Whatever you guys deem salvagable you guys can mess with. I'm going on a college visit next weekend and, this week, like last week, I won't be able to get online during the weekdays. I'll try and hop on, but there aren't any guarentees as usual. I'll try and be more coherent next week, but I'm stuck in Steeler revelry D: Noooo And the kicker. No. We're not fixing it. You're fixing it. You're writing something that fits with the world description that you posted, and the bloodlines/countries that you put us in charge of. Even if nothing's posted on them, everyone who's a part of this knows that the Earth tribe is a tribe... tribal... meaning not educated. *Points to Owle's post.* And, no, there is no 'one place' where people go to learn magic. Just like there is no 'one place' where people go to learn a physical class. No temples going out and finding people to drag in and turn this into a highschool emo RP. Write something that fits, and don't expect us to do it for you. This is YOUR baby, as you so often put it, how about you actually be there for it once and a while.
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 7:59 pm
*grumbles*
I just LOVE coming back from a weekend of straight driving, having a car accident, injuries and heartache to find lovely things that shouldn't even have been touched.
1. From the history of what I've read in WoG....only light mages are supposed to be limited in fallacy...Sorry, bad pun couldn't resist. ninja But that was a self imposed rule, not one by language.
2. Language is just that...language. Unless simply speaking any word in that language is pure magic and invokes said magic....which I'm sorry, you wouldn't trust to any kid off the streets.
...
Actually, I'm not going to go any further into this. I've been working on the magic system for about 3 weeks actively right now and I'm going to continue doing my own thing which I was given permission for. If it's usable when it's done, fine. If not...I'll come up with another use for it.
But right now, I'm going to go find a nice hot shower to help ease the almost blinding pain of my shoulder that was injured in a car accident I was in on friday and try to relax and enjoy my new location.
If anyone actually needs me for anything, they know how to get me. My phone AIM is always on. And my phone number hasn't changed yet.
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 8:09 pm
Jello, I would actually rather Sey not try to fix it. She's already proven her inability to make something that fits with the world we've developed by posting this in the first place. Sides, if we wait for her to come up with something we approve of, WoG will never start. *eagerly awaits Kat's magic system* Yeah, Kat, I was really confused when Sey IMed me, cause I knew you were working on the magic system, and didn't think Sey was the one in charge of it. Or even, you know, supposed to be working on it. Since we all seem to not mind our AIM conversations being posted the seystress (2:56:05 PM): I just finished writing up the base of the new Magic System KageNoEnzeru (2:56:13 PM): I'm kind of writing a paper right now, but if there's something you want to talk about go ahead KageNoEnzeru (2:56:43 PM): Oh. I thought Kat was working on the magic system the seystress (2:56:47 PM): XP I'd just like your input on it. I have the scope of power for the Initiate rank done. When youhave some free time, its right here the seystress (2:56:47 PM): http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/viewtopic.php?page=1&t=1859282#42497008the seystress (2:56:57 PM): Nah, it's me and kat. Me right now since she's AWOL Go take your shower, and feel better. Hope you enjoy your new place.
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