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Thorn Venatrix

PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 8:16 pm


PhantomoftheFox
Oh, and Alexis... Since you know I just love to argue canon with you...
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It is part of his deformity that he is extremely thin, not just because he's anorexic.

Where does it say that in any version? They just say that he's skeletally thin, not why. I've never heard of any type of physical deformity that makes you stay really skinny. I think you're crossing your mental image of Erik with the Erik in the book.


Maybe. But it doesn't say anywhere that it isn't a deformity that makes him so thin. I read it into the book, true, but I'm also basing my assumption on the fact that his facial deformity was something that made his head look like a skull, so I guessed that it was affecting his body the same way, too. Also, you must remember that we're not just using real-life logic here. For the most part, yes, we are, but you have to remember that Leroux made his own stuff up as well. Supernatural things that don't occur in real life. The best example? The rat-catcher and his head of fire. That took things way out of the realm of normalcy, so I assume that Leroux wasn't striving to make the story as based in reality as possible. He obviously added certain non realistic things for effect, and I took Erik's skeletal frame to be one of them. I'm guessing as much as you are about why Erik was so thin.

PhantomoftheFox
Alexis of Shadow]And why the hell is he chopping wood? He's supposed to be a musician, not a logger for god's sake. You're complaining about us not relying on the facts, but nowhere does it ever say that Erik ever chopped wood. (snipped) Cannon Erik wouldn't be chopping wood. He just wouldn't. [/quote]
It doesn't say that he [i]didn't [/i]chop wood either. He ran away from home at a young age and traveled on his own for a large part of his life. That would have been in the early-mid part of the 19th century, [i]well [/i]before electricity became widely available. If you wanted food, heat, or not to get eaten by random wild animals while traveling the countryside you would need a fire. How does one make a fire? Wood. Can Erik make neatly chopped piles of wood fall out of the sky? Probably not. Therefore, he would have to at least occasionally chop wood to survive. And nothing in his character in Leroux gives one the impression that Erik would be afraid of a bit of necessary physical labor, so what makes you say he 'just wouldn't' chop wood? Why? Because it isn't glamorous? Methinks you're crossing interpretations again.[/quote]

I never thought of Erik as camping out in the wilderness like that. If he did stop to rest, I imagined he would just lie wherever he stopped, sleep there, and move on. He seemed to have a parastic way of living. He always took advantage of what other people had. Fine, maybe I am making assumptions about Erik and the situations he was in, but I do have reasons for them. And even if he did chop wood, I doubt he'd be doing so in Persia because he lived off the royal family (yes, yes, Leroux never [i]said[/i] he lived off the royal family, there goes another assumption), and besides, the key word, as you said, was [i]occasionally[/i]. Hardly enough to make an extremely skeletal man suddenly buff and tan like Gerik. Somehow I cannot imagine Erik chopping wood. It's not that it "isn't glamorous" since a lot of things he does aren't glamorous (living in the damp, slimy, moldy and generally dirty cellars of the Opera house for one thing. Not exactly a fairyland palace down there, now is it?) but he seems like someone who would rather steal someone else's food and use their fire as heat instead of building his own campsite.

[quote="PhantomoftheFox
(P.S. For my money, it's Charles Dance Erik that pwns all.)


Trust you to favor the guy who's face is of complete questionable existance.

But yeah. Arguing is grand.

And everyone knows I'm right, even if they don't like to admit it. *Shifty eyes*
PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 9:16 am


meh... i'll get it from the libaray... if it gets better, then i'll buy it...

YourToxicButterfly


PhantomoftheFox

PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:52 am


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I read it into the book, true, but I'm also basing my assumption on the fact that his facial deformity was something that made his head look like a skull, so I guessed that it was affecting his body the same way, too.

Good point, but it's a lot easier to make the face look like a skull than the whole body. Actually, (and this is going to sound like I made it up because I can't remember the details, but I swear it's true) there is a super-rare disease that causes unnatural bone growth of the face that can look skeletal. It isn't that the face is sunken in, but that the brow and cheekbones are larger than they should be. But I'm getting all OT.

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Also, you must remember that we're not just using real-life logic here. For the most part, yes, we are, but you have to remember that Leroux made his own stuff up as well. Supernatural things that don't occur in real life. The best example? The rat-catcher and his head of fire.

Actually, they explain that away with RL logic in the book. It was an optical trick caused by the ratcatcher holding his lantern in front of his face.

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I never thought of Erik as camping out in the wilderness like that. If he did stop to rest, I imagined he would just lie wherever he stopped, sleep there, and move on.

But then he would get eaten by wolves or die of hypothermia and there would be no POTO. crying

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Somehow I cannot imagine Erik chopping wood.... he seems like someone who would rather steal someone else's food and use their fire as heat instead of building his own campsite.

I doubt someone as outcast and loner-ish as Erik would approach someone else's camp to make use of a fire, as you're seeming to imply. That'd just be a recipe for disaster, especially with his resemblance to a zombie.

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Trust you to favor the guy who's face is of complete questionable existance.

*snrk* Ah, but it isn't the face that matters! It's the soul behind it... And CD!Erik's soul is squishy and witty.

I now return you your topic. *ahem* Still awaiting the comic. ^__^
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:58 pm


le rocks. No doubt. And the artwork looks amazing. Give credit where credit is due people, could you do all of that? I couldn't.

Anways, yes it doesn't follow the right story at all, I realize that. But before you flame it, just think: The artist must have been really thinking this out to spend all that time drawing, no?  

Artemis12


Artemis12

PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:09 pm


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Can Erik make neatly chopped piles of wood fall out of the sky?

Well, that voice of his has come in pretty handy before...  
PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:24 am


Hee hee. I love watching this discussion/debate.

For the record the only reason I liked the RE/Erik was because I am a freddy krueger fan too....and I'm wierd in thinking he's sexy. redface

I liked the play version of ALWErik. The GErik was...ok. Alot of the songs didnt really fit his range. Tho NOWL did. :nod:

Oh and there is a sickness that if you get it it can kill the sillia in your stomach and intestines. It makes it that no matter how much you eat or what you do you're gonna be skeletally thin. I have a friend that caught it when he was younger.

But that might not be the instance where Erik is concerned. Think of this. The cartelage that would have given him a nose did not form correctly if at all, taste is linked with one's sense of smell. He probably dosent get the same satisfaction from food that the rest of us that have normal senses can have. So he only eats what he needs to not starve fully. And that's probably only about one meal a day. It isnt Annorexia persay with that instance, its just an apathy towards food except to see it as a means for survival, nothing more.

Adani Chinoumi


Thorn Venatrix

PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:17 am


PhantomoftheFox
*snrk* Ah, but it isn't the face that matters! It's the soul behind it... And CD!Erik's soul is squishy and witty.


True, true, but personally, I have a thing for guys with deformities. It's odd. *Shifty eyes*

Not that it's the only reason I'd like a guy. I've liked plenty of guys without deformities. But it just makes them that much more attractive to me.

Haha, god, I sound like a freak.

You've got some good points there, Adani. It could be possibly a combination of the illness that make a person skeletal and the lack of a nose. That would make quite a bit of sense.

I watched a Freddy movie for shits and giggles once, by the way. I didn't like it much as a movie, but I had a good laugh over it.

And no, you're not weird for thinking Freddy is sexy. At least not by my weird teratophiliac (guys with deformities) standard. You have no idea how weird I am.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:16 am


Nah, you dont sound like a freak. At least to me you dont. I mean hey, we belong to a guild that is dedicated to a deformed psychopathic genius.
*shrug*

And yeah, the only real purpose for the Nightmare on Elm street movies is that they are great to laugh at. Freddy's oneliners are funny.

If I wanted a good cult classic horror film I'd stick with the Hellraiser series.

Teratophiliac? hmm...ok I had been afraid that I was turning into a necropheliac because I wana luv up on a guy that's 130 or so years dead. sweatdrop

And BTW you can add me to the creeped out list for your Winslow pic. sweatdrop

Adani Chinoumi


Thorn Venatrix

PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:34 pm


*Snicker* It's not necrophilia unless he's actually a cadaver. If he's just deformed to look like one, you're a teratophiliac.

I searched quite a while to find the term for a deformity fetish.

Hellraiser! Yes, as in those movies that Clive Barker made. Well, he did the first one anyway. He's awesome. I am totally addicted to his Abarat books, and I had one signed.

There's kind of a weird story about me and a character from the second Abarat book, but it's kinda hard to explain unless you've read the book. That character's really what made me like those books so much. *Snicker*

In short that character was just like a character I had come up with two years before the book came out. Even the little quirks about them and the secret they kept about themselves was the same. Exactly the same. God, that was the freakiest thing. *Spasm*
PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 6:56 pm


Nope I have'nt read the books really but I did love the movies. Pinhead is one sexy freak.

But anyway Erik LOOKS like a cadaver.... that's what was making me wonder if I had a touch of necrophelia since I concider it sexy..... I'm such a freak. sweatdrop

That is what I was worried about...... ninja I am a freak aint I.....? sweatdrop redface sweatdrop

Or maybe it is because I am worried about such things that I am not going to be like that....hmm....

Adani Chinoumi


Thorn Venatrix

PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 7:14 pm


You're perfectly normal, Adani. At least, according to my standards. But nah, you'd be considered a teratophiliac, as he's deformed. If you were a necrophiliac, you'd...well, you'd be attracted to actual corpses. As long as he's alive, even if he looks like a corpse, you're a teratophiliac.

Hell, I'm pretty weird myself, 'cause I tend to be more attracted to guys with deformities than without. And then there's another thing I'm attracted to in a guy that...well, it's not really abnormal but I honestly cannot put it into words. There are words to describe it, but I'll like, have convulsions if I try to verballize it. I can't even write it in my private diary, or name it in my head. It's bizzare.

Winslow also has the second feature I like, but very few people notice it about him. It's not exactly that evident in the movie. *Eyetwitch*

Yeeeah. And I've said too much. *Spasm*
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