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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:19 pm
Divine_Malevolence I'll respect your beleif if there's a reason you believe it. If the islamic women are in the desert, and run a risk of cancer or heatstroke that can be prevented by being covered from head to toe.... Then cover up, woman, no time for you to be dieing. They shouldn't be ashamed of anything, though..... I do wonder why that came about. ..... Yeah, I'm not going to hop on board any bandwagon filled with people who fear what's different. Homosexuality exists, and it's sure to have reason about it. Saying that it's evil is.... An action driven by fear, and such actions shouldn't be tolerated. And then there's scientology. I can't fathom what's going on in their heads, so I'm not leaning to either side on that matter. Likely as not, it did originate as a method to protect them from the sun. Most beliefs have logical origins. The whole belief about homosexuality being a sin was originally a healthcare thing. The question is, how many of these are still applicable today?
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:16 am
Religion is far more complicated than what most people give it credit. I am not attracted to women that show off their bodies to just anyone. Quite frankly, I don't want a woman who's had quite a few romps on the bed, religion or otherwise. Many people rebel simply because there is a rule, but I'm going to assure you that when you turn 50 or 60 you are going to wish you could take back a whole mess of things you did.
Now, I'm not a prude. Show off whatever the hell you want, I guess. It is your body, and honestly, no one respects themselves anymore. The popular people are those most hated and most rude to those that surround them. The standards of health and beauty are standards that for the majority are neither healthy not attainable. People are constantly choosing to smoke, drink, or do drugs without caring about the consequences. We rate our success by accumulating many things that we do not need, such as very large homes or expensive cars, while there are others that are homeless in the street or that must walk miles to and from work on a daily basis. We need many different clothes and shoes that is not needed if one simply were to wash their clothing semi-regularly and throw out extra food when there are children in africa that are naked and dying of starvation.
So, yeah, I don't agree with the modern times thing at all, first of all. It's only modern times to those that are privaleged.
Now let me defend Islam. Now, most politicians don't want you to know any FACTS about us, because then you'll care that they are bombing innocent women and children for decades. By the way, that sucks and you guys should really work on that.
Islam means to submission to allah's will. Muslim means one that submits to allah's will. Allah is the arabic word for God, and nothing more. I could say god, except that it is associated with Jesus for Christians, so I make it distinct.
Now, Muslim is an ARABIC word. However, one does not need to use the arabic word to describe him/herself to qualify. As long as you do not break one of the essential pillars of faith, it is possible to go to heaven even if you belong to another religion, as long as you lived life the way you should. Islam is not a system of oppression, it is merely a set of guidelines to follow. We all will break some rules, no one is perfect. Following religion is merely ATTEMPTING to live a good life.
There are many important quotes that can be provided in Islam, from either our holy book or from the prophet. I won't get specific, but there is an extensive amount of material that forbids one from judging others. I am merely here to guide you. If there is something you refuse to comply with that is for your own good, then sucks for you. However, there are many people that think that they can force you to do something, and these people have given it a bad name.
I have questioned my faith before, so I wouldn't enjoy any of you thinking I'm just sticking to the book or something. I say things that many people are just too dumb or ignorant to say. Now seriously, do what you want, I really won't judge you. It won't matter what I say or do, only what you do that matters.[/rage]
Yeah, I think I addressed a lot. I don't want anyone getting offended. This is a messed up world we live in, and I'm taking shots at everyone.
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:02 pm
AHMETRock: First off, I'll make it clear that I am fairly ignorant when it comes to Islam, so thank you for clarify some points.
I'm going to overlook your statement on showing off flesh as not respecting themselves, since it's likely to get pretty nasty, from my side at least. And not because I show off flesh. The most skin you'll see on me is face and hands.
As with the old ways, the modern lifestyle has those that make it look bad, as well as it's own bad points, and I apologise if I made it seem perfect.
Perhaps you could clarify for me the point of the women keeping their heads covered. Some quotes from the Koran, roughly translated into english perhaps?
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:40 pm
I personally have not read much about women covering. It is good to know that kind of stuff, but seeing as how I am a man I didn't feel it was neccessary. So I don't have anything to quote offhand. I could look.
Essentially, it is about modesty. A woman's clothing shouldn't be tight nor revealing. This prevents her from being objectified as less than a person. There is alot of clothing that you can wear that can still be enjoyable to have without having to give off sex appeal. The covering is just another point of modesty. Of course, the men should not be acting as if they can do whatever they want if a woman doesn't cover. A woman's acting with modesty is coupled with emphasis that men treat women with respect, and not following one shouldn't nullify the other.
If you are really interested you could do some reading on moderate-islamic websites, but if not, than it should suffice to know that it is meant to be for modesty. Granted, anyone can take any arguement and use it for their own ends, there are many that would use it to oppress women. That is unfortunate.
ALSO, I HOPE YOUR WRISTS AREN'T SHOWING AS WELL AS YOUR HANDS. I'M OBLIGATED TO BEAT YOU TO DEATH IF I SEE THEM.
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:23 pm
There's a little more to the whole veil thing so I have a little more understanding for that one. But I don't think it's right to FORCE the women to wear them, that should be a choice, and many do choose to make that choice (on campus I see a lot of girls wearing their veils *there's a lot of international students where i go to college*)
The whole homosexuals are evil thing is just dumb... the bible does not say god hates them
Scientologists are crazy. Seriously, who would follow a religion created by a science FICTION write. The man's job is to make stuff up for a living.
The Nazi (or any) idea of one pure race is so closed minded <_<. Yesterday I actually saw a NeoNazi group on the news. apparently there's been a recent increase in hate crimes lately. There was even a shooting at the Holocaust Museum in DC
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:21 pm
AHMETRock ALSO, I HOPE YOUR WRISTS AREN'T SHOWING AS WELL AS YOUR HANDS. I'M OBLIGATED TO BEAT YOU TO DEATH IF I SEE THEM. Pfft, Puritans! rolleyes .... >.> Sorry wrong religion... it's so hard to not confuse them at times... *ahem* I've been stalking this thread but don't think I've posted yet. I respect others beliefs until they don't respect mine. Believe what you want as long as it doesn't inhibit the rights of others.
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 12:30 am
AHMETRock I personally have not read much about women covering. It is good to know that kind of stuff, but seeing as how I am a man I didn't feel it was neccessary. So I don't have anything to quote offhand. I could look. Essentially, it is about modesty. A woman's clothing shouldn't be tight nor revealing. This prevents her from being objectified as less than a person. There is alot of clothing that you can wear that can still be enjoyable to have without having to give off sex appeal. The covering is just another point of modesty. Of course, the men should not be acting as if they can do whatever they want if a woman doesn't cover. A woman's acting with modesty is coupled with emphasis that men treat women with respect, and not following one shouldn't nullify the other. If you are really interested you could do some reading on moderate-islamic websites, but if not, than it should suffice to know that it is meant to be for modesty. Granted, anyone can take any arguement and use it for their own ends, there are many that would use it to oppress women. That is unfortunate. ALSO, I HOPE YOUR WRISTS AREN'T SHOWING AS WELL AS YOUR HANDS. I'M OBLIGATED TO BEAT YOU TO DEATH IF I SEE THEM. Hmm. In an ideal world, a man too should have to cover himself using that logic, but I suppose I can accept where you are coming from with it. 3nodding And... they are kind of showing, but it's only 'cause my sleeves aren't long enough D:
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 12:01 pm
@Aneyana: You mean Kuran, right? Not Bible. Also, the concept of a perfect race could only be achieved in a world where immortality is even possible. Eliminate everyone except for one race, and a single disease will wipe out the human race because we've destroyed our genetic differentiation. There are no traits that we can simply shrug off. Even Down syndrome has an advantage, as they are mostly resistant to mutations that cause most cancers. A cursory knowledge of genetics pretty much ends that stuff.
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:17 pm
Actually I'm not Catholic, but Catholics believe that homosexuals aren't evil, but instead that a sexual act between two people of the same sex is a sin. You can be gay and like your own gender, they don't care. But if you act on your feelings and have sex or something of that nature, it's a sin.
I'm agnostic by the way, I'm just big on theology, philosophy, etc.
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:50 pm
Lord Canti-kun Actually I'm not Catholic, but Catholics believe that homosexuals aren't evil, but instead that a sexual act between two people of the same sex is a sin. You can be gay and like your own gender, they don't care. But if you act on your feelings and have sex or something of that nature, it's a sin. I'm agnostic by the way, I'm just big on theology, philosophy, etc. Not all Catholics believe that.
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:58 pm
SlamuelBTP What are 'beliefs'?
I don't tolerate any values that conflict with mine. When our dear president Barack Obama said that we cannot impose our values on Middle Eastern countries with different ones, I was ready to tear my hair out. I mean, I believe in equality, truth, freedom, et cetera, for everyone. If Afghanistan's, or Iran's, or Pakistan's, or China's, or North Korea's governments don't believe these inalienable rights are any good for them, well then they don't deserve to talk about anything to the US. I'm really tired of America not pushing her agenda.
On the other hands, with abstract, philosophical stances such as God and whether we really exist, I really couldn't give a damn.
Wait, what does 'respect' mean in this context? sweatdrop No, we should not do any thing of the sort! Unless we plan on actually taking over the country, we have no right to say what they can and can not do!
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:09 pm
Misser Godiva SlamuelBTP What are 'beliefs'?
I don't tolerate any values that conflict with mine. When our dear president Barack Obama said that we cannot impose our values on Middle Eastern countries with different ones, I was ready to tear my hair out. I mean, I believe in equality, truth, freedom, et cetera, for everyone. If Afghanistan's, or Iran's, or Pakistan's, or China's, or North Korea's governments don't believe these inalienable rights are any good for them, well then they don't deserve to talk about anything to the US. I'm really tired of America not pushing her agenda.
On the other hands, with abstract, philosophical stances such as God and whether we really exist, I really couldn't give a damn.
Wait, what does 'respect' mean in this context? sweatdrop No, we should not do any thing of the sort! Unless we plan on actually taking over the country, we have no right to say what they can and can not do! So are you saying that we should sit and turn a blind eye to N. Korea building nukes?
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:14 pm
Vajapocalypse Misser Godiva SlamuelBTP What are 'beliefs'?
I don't tolerate any values that conflict with mine. When our dear president Barack Obama said that we cannot impose our values on Middle Eastern countries with different ones, I was ready to tear my hair out. I mean, I believe in equality, truth, freedom, et cetera, for everyone. If Afghanistan's, or Iran's, or Pakistan's, or China's, or North Korea's governments don't believe these inalienable rights are any good for them, well then they don't deserve to talk about anything to the US. I'm really tired of America not pushing her agenda.
On the other hands, with abstract, philosophical stances such as God and whether we really exist, I really couldn't give a damn.
Wait, what does 'respect' mean in this context? sweatdrop No, we should not do any thing of the sort! Unless we plan on actually taking over the country, we have no right to say what they can and can not do! So are you saying that we should sit and turn a blind eye to N. Korea building nukes? Never. We have every right to save the world from destruction.... again.... I fully agree with Slamuel, we need to stop sitting back and watching and put the tiny tyrants who think they're all that cuz they have nearly century old technology in their places, we saw what happened in WWII when we sat back and watched. And frankly what's up with "rebuilding" countries we just destroyed? What does this accomplish but putting them back up to be destructive again? Used to be when the hero beats the villain they don't reach out a hand and say "I'll help you up pal" confused
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 5:12 pm
Misser Godiva SlamuelBTP What are 'beliefs'?
I don't tolerate any values that conflict with mine. When our dear president Barack Obama said that we cannot impose our values on Middle Eastern countries with different ones, I was ready to tear my hair out. I mean, I believe in equality, truth, freedom, et cetera, for everyone. If Afghanistan's, or Iran's, or Pakistan's, or China's, or North Korea's governments don't believe these inalienable rights are any good for them, well then they don't deserve to talk about anything to the US. I'm really tired of America not pushing her agenda.
On the other hands, with abstract, philosophical stances such as God and whether we really exist, I really couldn't give a damn.
Wait, what does 'respect' mean in this context? sweatdrop No, we should not do any thing of the sort! Unless we plan on actually taking over the country, we have no right to say what they can and can not do! ...Iraq. That's really all I have to say. neutral
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 5:40 pm
Misser Godiva SlamuelBTP What are 'beliefs'?
I don't tolerate any values that conflict with mine. When our dear president Barack Obama said that we cannot impose our values on Middle Eastern countries with different ones, I was ready to tear my hair out. I mean, I believe in equality, truth, freedom, et cetera, for everyone. If Afghanistan's, or Iran's, or Pakistan's, or China's, or North Korea's governments don't believe these inalienable rights are any good for them, well then they don't deserve to talk about anything to the US. I'm really tired of America not pushing her agenda.
On the other hands, with abstract, philosophical stances such as God and whether we really exist, I really couldn't give a damn.
Wait, what does 'respect' mean in this context? sweatdrop No, we should not do any thing of the sort! Unless we plan on actually taking over the country, we have no right to say what they can and can not do! I disagree. We have every right to tell Korea that they can't blow up other countries with nuclear weapons.
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