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 Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:59 am
Ezzy both Obama and McCain have the same political view on same-sex marriage. Obama Now, I realize that for some Americans, this is an important issue. And I should say that personally, I do believe that marriage is between a man and a woman... I agree with most Americans, with Democrats and Republicans, with Vice President Cheney, with over 2,000 religious leaders of all different beliefs, that decisions about marriage, as they always have, should be left to the states." McCain "The constitutional amendment [The Federal Marriage Constitutional Amendment] we're debating today strikes me as antithetical in every way to the core philosophy of Republicans... It usurps from the states a fundamental authority they have always possessed and imposes a federal remedy for a problem that most states do not believe confronts them."
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:01 pm
My views on this? Well... let me just quote a wise man here...
On election day, I stay home... and I do what you do. Except that when I'm done "pleasing myself", I actually have something to show for it.
>_>
Okay, okay, that doesn't pertain to the specifics... but really... I'd rather not see either of them in office, thus, I refuse to vote for either of them. Perhaps I'll find a third party candidate to vote for... perhaps not. But I will not allow my vote to put someone in office whom I do not want to see there. Period.
^_^
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:13 pm
I'm not sure for whom I'd vote if I was an American, actually.
Though I believe marriage should be men/women, I have nothing against homosexuality. 3nodding
I only care about who would be president because it DEFINITELY affects Mexico.
USA is only in Iraq for the oil talk2hand
Also, the president of the USA should be the UN. biggrin
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:39 pm
Gambol On the contrary, Pixie, religion is what got Bush his eight years in the White House. Unfortunately, that's all that a large number of conservative Christians care about: is their representative a Christian who shares their beliefs? The candidates even had a debate in a mega church, for crying out loud. guess who the audience was most pleased with? In other news, Ret, you might want to find more current articles than those articles of yours. Both of those "twenty reasons" lists are from March, and a lot of things have changed. Also, if you look at the sources of funding for both candidates... they're kind of the same. EVERYBODY's in the proverbial "corporate pocket" with that sort of logic of "if a company donates, the candidate is in their pocket, lol". What concerns me is that McCain is trying to win this election the same way that Bush did - their appellations are very similar, their tactics... the same. I personally think that McCain made a very bad selection of a running mate - seeing as how she's the most vocal on religious hot topics and doesn't have much of a plan for anything else (but that's what conservative Christians want... so maybe it's the best choice for them). I wouldn't want Palin as my president. On the other hand, if you've followed the conventions, Obama totally picked the person who has been the most critical of him from the start to run with him. That shows some moxie - he's inexperienced, sure, but he's willing to take with him to the White House one of the more experienced members of Congress... Yeah, my vote lies with Obama. lol I'm not saying it isn't a huge deal for OTHER PEOPLE, but I don't believe that it should be a factor. I understand that it is. xD
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:42 pm
Nymphiedora Ezzy both Obama and McCain have the same political view on same-sex marriage. Obama Now, I realize that for some Americans, this is an important issue. And I should say that personally, I do believe that marriage is between a man and a woman... I agree with most Americans, with Democrats and Republicans, with Vice President Cheney, with over 2,000 religious leaders of all different beliefs, that decisions about marriage, as they always have, should be left to the states." McCain "The constitutional amendment [The Federal Marriage Constitutional Amendment] we're debating today strikes me as antithetical in every way to the core philosophy of Republicans... It usurps from the states a fundamental authority they have always possessed and imposes a federal remedy for a problem that most states do not believe confronts them." Yesyes, but if we're looking at which is influencing same sex marriage to become legal, it's definitely Obama. And when we're looking for one that's more likely to classify crimes against gays as hate crimes, and movements like that, it's Obama. Presidential influence has a big role in what states do, and some gay related laws are federal, not by state. While the actual issue is left up to the state, the influence and many other gay related laws are not. :3
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:05 pm
Nymphiedora I've been trying to learn about politics biggrin It kinda hasnt been working, I think I got brainwashed as a kid. My parents are hardcore republicans and while they always supported me and my brothers when it came to having our own thoughts and said if we ever wanted to be democrats they would be fine with that, I think they still accidentally brainwashed me. Obama and McCain can say the same thing I will think that McCain is right, but Obama is wrong. And I'm conscious of it so I SHOULD be able to stop it...but I'm trying to be fair and its just not working. I'm fine with staying in Iraq. I think we should keep a close eye on them. I mean they hate us and they are crazy right? I know its only the extremists but still... I dont know like anything about Iraq because I havent paid attention, but whenever I do watch the news it seems like they are doing crazy, violent, horrible things. And yes its only a few people who do it, not the whole nation, but its enough to cause concern. I wouldnt be surprised if the second we leave there they charge straight torward America with an attack 100 times worse then 9/11. I thinks its way better to be safe then sorry. I'm ok with staying in Iraq forever if we have to. Yes we lose lives. But how many more lives would be lost if we left and then got attacked? And then of course we would attack back. And it would be a huuuuge war and it would be even more horrible then it is now. I'm not the MOST educated person on Iraq, but I believe I know a bit. D: I think a lot of the attacks that we have are from people who hate america being in their country. We aren't really helping them out anymore, and we do act like we know everything. I think pulling out of there is the right idea and will help them try to stand on their own. Prolly going to fail, but they'll have to fix themselves eventually. A lot of the suicide bombers aren't attached to a pack, they're just radicals. That can't really create a whole big thing and kill us on their own. Osama isn't in Iraq and hasn't ever been. xD I think Obama keeping up a search for Osama without invading countries or sending thousands of troops over is a wise idea, and I'd be in favor of it, but staying in Iraq won't keep people from hurting us. I think a presidential change where we act like less of a pompous a*****e and leave them alone might help us out a fair amount in keeping people from kicking our asses. And look, you can't stop all attacks from happening, and it won't be the country's fault when it does. It'lll be the radicals, and we'll just have another search for Osama to do. There would be LESS of a war then there was last time. Obama doesn't believe in preemptive war (Like what we did to Iraq - thinking that they might have WMD's and attacking them because they MIGHT be able to blow us up. Like I get safe/sorry except you know buss fabricated/extended the actual threat of them, and it'd be much safer to try and find out what we need to know without being warmongers and just beating the s**t out of them, because that doesn't make them like us more, and the more they don't like us the more they want to kill us)(point was preemptive war means attacking somewhere before they can attack us, which sounds okay but McCain has been in war a lot and has a reputation for being a warmonger so there might be a really good chance he gets excited at any chance to invade somewhere.) ANYWAY Obama wouldn't invade a thousand countries, he'd send some people to search out where Osama could be, and go to TOWN on disaster relief. THAT WAS HELLA WORDY SORRY. Anyway brute force makes more people angry at us than it does keep them from attacking innocent civilians, is my point.
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:13 pm
Okay this is a blanket statement and I love you all, but can Non-Americans who haven't really researched or haven't done the work to get educated at all and are only going off of what you hear from america and your opinions from that, please not debate in this thread? D:
Because like Belle you never know anything about US politics and you definitely think you do.
And Luna ilysomuch cept we AREN'T in Iraq for oil or anything resembling oil. We're in Iraq because Bush wanted to finish the war his dad started, or, to be clinical because Bush thought Sadaam was hiding Weapons of Mass Destruction from us and wanted to blow us up, so we forced ourselves in and such.
Maggeh you actually sound researched soooo, to my knowledge Palin isn't QUITE as demonistic as you make her sound D:
In Alaska it's REALLY hard to find uncorrupt politicians. Like, really hard. And from what I've heard from people who've lived in or do live in Alaska under a form of Palin's reign (I know someone who lived in the town she was mayor of) that she is extremely anti-corrupt and has done a really good job of speaking out against corruption and being a strong non-corrupt figure in Alaska.
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:41 pm
Maggeh ain't researched. Maggeh is a biased ********. XD
Um... Maggeh used to live in America for 5 years back when he was in elementary school (which was like, jillions of years ago. I'm old. D cool . Can Maggeh stay?
From what I've been reading up on Sarah Palin, though, yes, opinion on her seem to be mixed. I'm aware that many people in Wa-something (I'm too ******** lazy to Wiki it up) liked her, but at the same time, there were plenty who weren't happy with the way she ran things. Such as threatening to fire a librarian who wouldn't remove certain books from the library, despite the fact that she supposedly is against censorship and supports freedom of speech. I've read a letter from someone who knew Sarah Palin and hated her, I've read an article that attempts to sort out the misinformation about Sarah Palin that seeks to disprove all those nasty rumors going on around and so on. I've read that 1,000 Alaskans came to a support rally (campaign?) for her, and that 1,400 Alaskans came to an anti-support rally / campaign on her. I've read the positive and I've read the negative.
Granted, I don't know much about Obama's running mate, Joe Biden. Only that he has a son named Bo (seriously? What the ********, man? Is his father's name Moe or something?) Biden. And that he doesn't really stand out compared to the others. So perhaps I'm hasty in judging Palin.
I still don't like her, though.
That makes Maggeh a bad person.
And now you know.
And knowing is half the power.
The other half is using the knowledge to call upon CAPTAIN PLANET~~~!
Pixie seems really informed on this s**t. o_O
Maggeh is impressed.
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:13 pm
I'm REALLY, REALLY interested in politics, and have a lot of personal reasons for following this election so closely.
Like I started following July last year. xD
I did all my research on getting informed about the issues and the candidates around January and have done a fairly good job in keeping up with new information since....xD
There's still stuff I don't know much about. I don't know much about the intricacies of either economic plan, and I really need to do more research on that. And then like I know dickloads about school vouchers, which is so not an issue this election it's crazy. It does make me want to vote republican for my state senate though.
Anyway, I'm pretty weak on economy and not as strong on oil as I should be, and those are huge issues to some people that are voting repub, so even though I have my opinions that I don;t think will change that much, I'm not going to get into a debate about them. XD
And maggeh you say you aren't researched and then say that you did dickloads of research on Palin (more than me, I admit O smile so I don't really think that counts as uneducated. xD
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:04 pm
sweetnessfairy Obama. I've seen all of Obama's speech at the Dem. convention and so far half of McCain's in my Part. in Gov. class. That, and I've paid a bit of attention, although I still can't vote. (*Is 17, so close* gonk ) First of all: In Sweetness's opinion, Dem. > Rep. Always. Maybe that makes me a tad close-minded. I dunno. I grew up watching Bush's speeches, then watching the country go down the toilet. If that doesn't turn you off of Republicans for life, I dun know what will. I know I shouldn't compare all Republicans to Bush right off the bat, but meh. I just don't have conservative/religious views, I think we should steer clear of that. That is closed-minded. O.o
I've lived through the same eight years like you have, and honestly Bush did what we needed from him when we needed it. o_o I agree that we need a change bigtime now, but seriously, try to be fair. He's not a bad person.
And McCain's VP choice should be adequate proof that he isn't like Bush. :/ Quote: Third: Maybe Obama is a bit of a celebrity. But have you SEEN McCain smile? He looks evil. Maybe its just the SGer in me( ninja ), but he looks like he's plotting unspeakable evils. Especially in his acceptance speech when he says "My dear friends, please don't be diverted by the ground noise and the static." when a protester made a itsy-bitsy scene(which seriously pissed me off. But I think its funny that half of the convention hall was full of protesters.). Obama's smile looks fake and plastic-y to me. O.o It gives me shivers.
McCain does have an odd smile, but I've never heard anyone say it looked evil. Why would he have any reason to plot things? Quote: That and McCain used his pauses to read his speech off the paper in front of him. If you watch Obama, he never looks down once. Maybe its silly, but I think there's something to be said for someone who doesn't need to look down at a paper "Hey, what's my views again and how did I decide I wanted to say them...?" That's kind of unfair. Just because he may need a reminder to order his thoughts doesn't mean he doesn't know what he's talking about, and that doesn't mean he doesn't KNOW his opinions and beliefs and thoughts. I really can't believe people who make him out to be stupid.. it's blind and arrogant in many ways.
For instance, I was just explaining a really complex conundrum to my mom last night, and it took me like an hour to really manage to explain it WELL..... and I had to ask her a bunch of times what I'd said a few moments before, because my mind kept on whizzing all over to try to explain myself, and I ended up losing the train of thought I'd previously been on.
Does that mean there's something wrong with me? :/
Also, Biden used to stutter a lot. Does that mean he's stupid?
Some people can ramble on and on about a topic, others can't. o_o It's really limited and unnecessary to hold bias on such a meaningless point.
And anyway, I've seen Obama looking at teleprompters and notes before.
Quote: Side-note: Me and my cousin, after watching half of McCain's speech, agreed that if he wins, we're leaving the country. I know it sounds (and probly is) a little extreme, but I'm thinking that this just won't end well. We have no idea where, we're just getting out. Any suggestions as to where? I'm considering leaving the US if Obama becomes president.
McCain may not do what you want him to do in office, but Obama is giving me a huge feeling that my end of the country is tumbling downhill at a breakneck rate.
I don't intend to be aboard when it hits rock bottom.
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:22 pm
Roy Salamandra All I remember mentioned from a class in school was that the President has the ability to declare war and that's all I can really remember. Only Congress can declare war; the President can't do squat. Which is why we haven't been in an actual war since WW2. (Just got finished getting this drilled into her brain less than 5 months ago). I'd vote for Obama, hands down. To me, he seems like a better candidate. And if McCain wins, he has a higher chance than Obama of dying of natural causes, which means Palin has a better chance of becoming president. And I cannot respect or vote for someone who believes just because she is a woman, she can get all the votes Hillary left behind and who keeps lying about things that people have proven wrong. For one, Hillary was all for abortion and pro-choice, and Palin is dead set against it. And another, she told Congress "Thanks but no thanks on that bridge to nowhere" after she was elected and everyone decided they hated it. She also keeps saying that she will cut down on Federal spending and take away earmarks, and yet she got a lobbyist to go to Congress to try and get millions of dollars for Alaska in earmarks. I couldn't vote for McCain knowing that Palin was anywhere near him. And, so this is not all about VPs, McCain likes to attack Obama personally, saying that he's a celebrity and whatnot. Yet Obama leaves McCain's age and stuff out of it, and when the whole thing with Palin's daughter came out, he said that families were off limits. He would not say anything about that. So far, I've seen Obama attack McCain about his plans, not who he is. It shows that Obama is focused on the issues, not the fact that McCain is this or that. Thanks but no thanks on that McCain/Palin ticket. (For real, she says that line about the damn bridge EVERY SINGLE SPEECH. )
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:22 pm
OMG OMG OMG
This completely irrelevant to EVERYTHING but Maggeh weren't you like sworn against swearing? Or is that someone else? Because I swear I've never heard you swear before and it makes me go eek
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:37 pm
o_O
Nymphie... Maggeh started swearing like, a long time ago.
Wait... didn't you already ask me this a few months back? I seem to recall a conversation like this a before... or was that Pixie who asked me?
Either way, Maggeh started swearing ever since his second year in university. Life does a lot of s**t.
Huh. Didn't I swear in my Sniperville Story? The original one?
Maggeh's mind is gonna implode. Or explode. However you see it. I think implode means to explode within, while explode is... well... explode. Like, outside. Like, ex.
@ Pixie
Rather than research, it's pretty much Wikipedia, constant watching of the Daily Show and Colbert Report and the fact that so many blogs are talking about Palin that they generally end up as the "Hot Post" in Wordpress, which I take time to read and go through comments and s**t.
On a completely random side note, one of the "Hot Posts" in Wordpress led me to a post on secret menus in fast food places. Which was really, really interesting.
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:43 pm
Sylfaen sweetnessfairy Side-note: Me and my cousin, after watching half of McCain's speech, agreed that if he wins, we're leaving the country. I know it sounds (and probly is) a little extreme, but I'm thinking that this just won't end well. We have no idea where, we're just getting out. Any suggestions as to where? I'm considering leaving the US if Obama becomes president.
McCain may not do what you want him to do in office, but Obama is giving me a huge feeling that my end of the country is tumbling downhill at a breakneck rate.
I don't intend to be aboard when it hits rock bottom. You should stick with your country through thick and thin. At least if your country is the United States because its totally the best country there is <3 I would never abandon the US, it may have its problems but its way better off then a lot of places and what other countries were founded on such amazingly wonderful ideals as this one? There is a reason so many people will do whatever it takes to get here and stay here 3nodding God Bless America heart Pixie - Lol I live in this country and dont know anything XD I havent paid attention to the war since 2001. And I dont know anything about any other issues, besides abortion and same sex marriage, which are discussed everywhere. But its good to learn since I want to vote smile This is the site I was looking at this morning.
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:47 pm
Lady Rai Roy Salamandra All I remember mentioned from a class in school was that the President has the ability to declare war and that's all I can really remember. Only Congress can declare war; the President can't do squat. Which is why we haven't been in an actual war since WW2. (Just got finished getting this drilled into her brain less than 5 months ago). I'd vote for Obama, hands down. To me, he seems like a better candidate. And if McCain wins, he has a higher chance than Obama of dying of natural causes, which means Palin has a better chance of becoming president. And I cannot respect or vote for someone who believes just because she is a woman, she can get all the votes Hillary left behind and who keeps lying about things that people have proven wrong. For one, Hillary was all for abortion and pro-choice, and Palin is dead set against it. And another, she told Congress "Thanks but no thanks on that bridge to nowhere" after she was elected and everyone decided they hated it. She also keeps saying that she will cut down on Federal spending and take away earmarks, and yet she got a lobbyist to go to Congress to try and get millions of dollars for Alaska in earmarks. I couldn't vote for McCain knowing that Palin was anywhere near him. And, so this is not all about VPs, McCain likes to attack Obama personally, saying that he's a celebrity and whatnot. Yet Obama leaves McCain's age and stuff out of it, and when the whole thing with Palin's daughter came out, he said that families were off limits. He would not say anything about that. So far, I've seen Obama attack McCain about his plans, not who he is. It shows that Obama is focused on the issues, not the fact that McCain is this or that. Thanks but no thanks on that McCain/Palin ticket. (For real, she says that line about the damn bridge EVERY SINGLE SPEECH. ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-ae409tJEI
You said Obama doesn't attack McCain about who he is?
Anyway, Obama is a celebrity. :/ His speeches are like that of a comedian, mostly geared to get a reaction out of the audience and to make them laugh at his remarks about McCain and Republicans.
He doesn't have supporters, from what I can tell. He has fans.
>.<
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