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 Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 7:04 am
Shilberu Erikku I say just get rid of marriage altogether, ******** RELIGION! ...And I say "nonsense, religion has it's place as an extension of situationalized or parable philosophy."
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:29 pm
Meeatu Shilberu Erikku I say just get rid of marriage altogether, ******** RELIGION! ...And I say "nonsense, religion has it's place as an extension of situationalized or parable philosophy." religion is just a childish escape from reality/responsiblity/thinking for oneself,an excuse to kill someone out of autrohobia, an unneccesary repression of human nature, and has no place in a modern scientific society. People need to move up with the times so our technology can match that of scifi.
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:14 pm
I totally agree.
Eh I've never liked marriage much. Why do we need someone else's OK to confirm what we already know? If two people love each other that should be it. They shouldn't need the approval of a judge or whoever you choose to do it to call themselves a couple.
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:43 pm
The government does not have the right to deny me the same basic civil rights that everyone else gets just because some religions think I was born "wrong".
separation of church and state...
if a person wants to believe that a marriage between same sex partners is wrong, thats fine, they have the right to believe what ever they want. but that does not give them the right to tell me I cant one day exchange vows with the nerd boy of my dreams.
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:49 pm
Silver Sage-General I totally agree.Eh I've never liked marriage much. Why do we need someone else's OK to confirm what we already know? If two people love each other that should be it. They shouldn't need the approval of a judge or whoever you choose to do it to call themselves a couple. there's more to it then just a wedding, there are legal issues that we would be denied, such as claiming your partner on taxes, or something law isnt my thing so i dont know all the details on the privileges legal married couples get. I do know that in some states such as Ohio, you would not be able to see your partner if they were taken to the emergency room because they would only admit family or the spouse. stuff like that...
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Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:40 pm
PrismCity Silver Sage-General I totally agree.Eh I've never liked marriage much. Why do we need someone else's OK to confirm what we already know? If two people love each other that should be it. They shouldn't need the approval of a judge or whoever you choose to do it to call themselves a couple. there's more to it then just a wedding, there are legal issues that we would be denied, such as claiming your partner on taxes, or something law isnt my thing so i dont know all the details on the privileges legal married couples get. I do know that in some states such as Ohio, you would not be able to see your partner if they were taken to the emergency room because they would only admit family or the spouse. stuff like that... Meh legal stuff XD
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:18 am
To some people, marriage isn't important.. but to some others, it is. And I don't think marriage is always or has to be "religious" or relevant to religion. It's about the joining of two people who love each other. That's it. People just throw religion in there themselves.
Marriage for gays/lesbians/transgenders should be allowed. Like everyone else in this thread has said; it doesn't hurt anyone or affect anyone other than the 2 getting married and maybe their families.
Some of the things that i hate:
- "Gay Marriage" No, it's just MARRIAGE. Just because one they're gay doesn't mean everything they do is 'gay'. You park a car... and you're gay.. so you 'gay-parked it'? Nonsense.
-"Bestiality/Zoophilia" Totally irrelevant. Enough said.
- "Bible" People who bring the Bible up, saying that in the Bible being gay is wrong.. HELLO how long ago was that written? What time period? Back then, if a girl got pregnant outside of marriage, she got stoned (rocks thrown at her) and die. Do we do that now? No. Also, divorce is wrong too.. but you don't see people fussing so much about that. Personally, I'm a Christian Lesbian, but there are some things in the Bible that I don't agree with today.
- "Ruining Marriages" How do we do that? If a couple's marriage is fxcked up, THEY fxcked it up. Gay people getting married doesn't end another's marriage.. divorce does.
- "Choice" It's not a choice. Saying it's a choice is like saying a white person chose to be white. Also, there was a founding by scientists/doctors that the brain waves of a gay person is different from a straight person.
There's a lot of things that bother me about what society/government thinks, but i don't have all day. Marriage should be legalized for everyone. Shouldn't matter who.. all that matters is that the couple is happy.
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Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 2:55 pm
Amen, sistah! xD lol
To me, I don't see what the big deal is, and that's because I'm not religious, I'm not into politics, and I'm not a homosexual so, my opinion doesn't really matter. But I agree that if two people want to get married then they shouldn't have to get permission from the public to do so.
I can't believe prejudice, racism and all that still exist today. I must live under a rock. *sigh*
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:34 pm
Shilberu Erikku Meeatu Shilberu Erikku I say just get rid of marriage altogether, ******** RELIGION! ...And I say "nonsense, religion has it's place as an extension of situationalized or parable philosophy." religion is just a childish escape from reality/responsiblity/thinking for oneself,an excuse to kill someone out of autrohobia, an unneccesary repression of human nature, So let me get this straight... (heh... straight ^___^) You're a 16 year old "dude" who's interests include "p***s" and "v****a" and who's favorite reads consist primarily of smut, with all the literary credit of a common garden snail. As such, you are able to draw from your vast pool of experience and intelligence to essentially trump the moral decision-making skills of 30something percent of the worlds population. Ok, I'm with you so far... You discount even the notion that religion is a considered affair. No. It must have been just a story that someone once came up with out of the blue, that caught on well! You also call it "an unnecessary (shall I fix that for you?) repression of human nature" with no consideration of the two obvious flaws of that argument. Firstly, there is a question of whether it is a repression of human nature at all, and not an extension of it. (Does art mimic life, or life mimic art?) And secondly, if it would really be a bad thing to repress human nature. We are fairly vile creatures at heart. Other than that, you declaim confidently that religion "has no place in a modern scientific society." and that "people need to move up with the times so our technology can match that of scifi." Well, sorry to burst your bubble, sweetheart, but religion already DOES have a place within a modern scientific study. And for the sake of future generations I hope it continues to. I know this may blow your little leftist noodle, but religion and scientific method are not necessarily mutually exclusive. You have to view (as I mentioned) religion as an extension of situationalized or parable philosophy. It provides a guide, a set of preformed morals from which we can choose, and found our own moral guidelines on. All in all, people need purpose. Some all encompassing, great plan. And religion offers that to the people it works for. Who are you to take that away from them? Oh, that's right, you're a 16 yr old. Ergo; you know best and should rule the world.
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:43 pm
Meeatu Shilberu Erikku Meeatu Shilberu Erikku I say just get rid of marriage altogether, ******** RELIGION! ...And I say "nonsense, religion has it's place as an extension of situationalized or parable philosophy." religion is just a childish escape from reality/responsiblity/thinking for oneself,an excuse to kill someone out of autrohobia, an unneccesary repression of human nature, So let me get this straight... (heh... straight ^___^) You're a 16 year old "dude" who's interests include "p***s" and "v****a" and who's favorite reads consist primarily of smut, with all the literary credit of a common garden snail. As such, you are able to draw from your vast pool of experience and intelligence to essentially trump the moral decision-making skills of 30something percent of the worlds population. Ok, I'm with you so far... You discount even the notion that religion is a considered affair. No. It must have been just a story that someone once came up with out of the blue, that caught on well! You also call it "an unnecessary (shall I fix that for you?) repression of human nature" with no consideration of the two obvious flaws of that argument. Firstly, there is a question of whether it is a repression of human nature at all, and not an extension of it. (Does art mimic life, or life mimic art?) And secondly, if it would really be a bad thing to repress human nature. We are fairly vile creatures at heart. Other than that, you declaim confidently that religion "has no place in a modern scientific society." and that "people need to move up with the times so our technology can match that of scifi." Well, sorry to burst your bubble, sweetheart, but religion already DOES have a place within a modern scientific study. And for the sake of future generations I hope it continues to. I know this may blow your little leftist noodle, but religion and scientific method are not necessarily mutually exclusive. You have to view (as I mentioned) religion as an extension of situationalized or parable philosophy. It provides a guide, a set of preformed morals from which we can choose, and found our own moral guidelines on. All in all, people need purpose. Some all encompassing, great plan. And religion offers that to the people it works for. Who are you to take that away from them? Oh, that's right, you're a 16 yr old. Ergo; you know best and should rule the world. <3~
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:02 pm
Marriage should be someone's personal choice. It doesn't matter if your gay or straight. If you want to get married you should be able to. Or if you want to be with someone but not choose to marry, then fine it's your cup of tea. So you're the one who makes its how you like. :3
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:56 pm
Sorry for the long post, but I'm making several good points and, I think, am completely demolishing the debate against gay marriage. razz
First, we must define an argument. Let's take it form the perspective of "Gay marriage should be legalized." And then we ask, "Why not?"
The most popular reasons they give us are:
1. Marriage is a sacred, holy matrimony between a man and a woman, as defined by God.
2. If people are gay in public, it will influence our young and make society more gay.
3. Single parents can't adopt, but married couples can; we don't want to let homosexuals adopt so we keep them from marrying.
And then, we must counter their points with logic, ethics, and a few personal touches to the heart. We'll start with the last point, point three.
This point is easiest to dismiss. When faced with the decision of sending a child to a home versus giving them a loving, kind, albeit homosexual family, the clear choice is to let Adam and Steve (Or, Adele and Eve!) have the kid.
Point number two can be taken down by simple science. There is BIOLOGICAL, SCIENTIFIC PROOF that gay is a natural thing. The brain. If you do an MRI on a heterosexual male's and female's brain, you'll see that there are several huge differences. Now, compare a heterosexual female brain to a homosexual male brain. The MRIs come back almost identical, as well as Hetero Male versus Homo Female.
Basically, gay men have the brain of a woman. Women like men. It's natural that a man with a woman's brain should like a man. (And, of course, vice-verse.) So, the argument of Nature V. Nurture is completely out the window. You can't catch The Gay like it's some kind of disease.
A second point to point two, these people are still going to be gay whether they get married or not. And, in fact, they'll be even MORE gay in public. We'll fight, we'll riot until we can get our rights. The only way to stop that, is to let them be wed.
And, lastly, point number one. RELIGION. First, it's totally cool to have one. It is in your rights to follow and worship your own way. But, under our rights, it also CLEARLY says, "SEPARATION BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE." This means that any religious based argument is completely invalid and cannot be used as the base of a law. Further, marriage is an institution much, much older than Christianity. In fact, marriage is so old that there is no telling when it first began. It predates any reliable recorded history.
BASICALLY. It predates Christianity. So Christians can't say "You can't get married, it's kind of our thing." Because it isn't. It has NOTHING to do with religion.
On all grounds, the argument AGAINST gay marriage doesn't have a leg to stand on while the argument FOR gay marriage is a mother ******** centipede. There is no reason for gay marriage to not be legalized.
LEGALIZE GAY MARRIAGE. LEGALIZE HUMAN RIGHTS.
Also forgot to mention: "Gay marriage is an attack on marriage!!" The average heterosexual gets married three times, divorced twice. And GAYS are a threat to marriage??
"A family consists of a mother and a father, NOT two of one!" So, all you single parents out there, here's a heads up: These ******** are telling you you aren't a real family. If they stood by this statement, children would have to be placed in a home once their parents were divorced. Like child-lay-a-way. Get em back when you're married.
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Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:10 pm
Also, I noticed there's been a lot of religious intolerance. Calling someone else's beliefs childish is childish. It also shows that you've a lot to learn. People are free to worship, however they wish.
It isn't an "escape." If you've actually ever MET someone religious, you'd know that. Religion is about love and being complete, spiritually. It's finding what makes you happy on the highest level imaginable. You become so euphoric and entranced in your love for your All Mighty that all the pain of this world suddenly becomes bearable, because you have a higher purpose and you know that this is just a phase. It isn't about fear or running away, or it shouldn't be. It's having so much faith in yourself, and your Divine, that you are able to stand tall. Truly, a man of true faith will tell you, "I believe not because I fear the consequence. I'm not afraid of damnation or the wrath of God. I believe because, with all of my heart, I know it to be my truth. I believe because I want to."
It's actually quite the opposite of what you think it is. It's a wonderful and beautiful thing.
And, for all purposes, I am a strict Atheist. Hardcore. Balls to the wall. ATHEIST. But even then, I know a little something about faith, love, respect, and tolerance. biggrin Sorry for flooding you lovely folk's forum with my nonsense heart
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:44 am
Heads up before you read. I don't disagree with you, I just feel that I should point out the weaknesses and hypocrisies in your argument. Bryan-CarnelianHope
When faced with the decision of sending a child to a home versus giving them a loving, kind, albeit homosexual family, the clear choice is to let Adam and Steve (Or, Adele and Eve!) have the kid.This is not a scientific or logical argument. I mean, I agree wholeheartedly, but you have to proove WHY it's the clear choice. Clearly, if the choice was so clear, it would be made, and allowed within the law. Also; The choice is much more often between a loving heterosexual couple and a loving homosexual couple. Are you proposing that homosexuals only be given the right to adopt if no suitable heterosexual candidates are found? Bryan-CarnelianHope BIOLOGICAL, SCIENTIFIC PROOF Citation needed Bryan-CarnelianHope Now, compare a heterosexual female brain to a homosexual male brain. The MRIs come back almost identical, as well as Hetero Male versus Homo Female.
Basically, gay men have the brain of a woman. Ok... now citation really needed. What utter twaddle. Bryan-CarnelianHope Women like men. It's natural that a man with a woman's brain should like a man. (And, of course, vice-verse.) Yes, but I believe, (assuming the truth of your previous quote) that the argument would lie in whether or not it is 'natural' for a man to essentially have the brain of a woman', not whether it would be natural for such a person to have a relationship with someone of the opposite gender. Which brings into question the other issue with that so-called "BIOLOGICAL,SCIENTIFIC PROOF" which you apparently didn't notice. If gay men have female brains, and lesbian woman have male brains... and gay men sleep with gay men... and lesbian woman sleep with lesbian women... Then it's essentially two woman/ two men sleeping together anyway... Bryan-CarnelianHope So, the argument of Nature V. Nurture is completely out the window. The nature vs nurture argument is an entirely unrelated argument that you have not even touched upon or mentioned. It is in regards to what forms us into the people we are. Whether we are born with certain predispositions, or whether it is our environment and experiences that shape us. Bryan-CarnelianHope A second point to point two, these people are still going to be gay whether they get married or not. And, in fact, they'll be even MORE gay in public. We'll fight, we'll riot until we can get our rights. The only way to stop that, is to let them be wed. True, but this can be labeled as social malcontentedness or, at the very least, silly. Bryan-CarnelianHope And, lastly, point number one. RELIGION. First, it's totally cool to have one. It is in your rights to follow and worship your own way. But, under our rights, it also CLEARLY says, "SEPARATION BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE." This means that any religious based argument is completely invalid and cannot be used as the base of a law. Separation of church and state is a nice idea in theory, and sure, it states that theoretically gay marriage should be legalized if it is for the good of the country. But we live in the real world, and frankly, given that 30% of the voting public is Christian (more in America), in a democratic system, separation of church from state properly, would in essence disallow that 30% to vote as they see fit, thus being unconstitutional. All that separation of church from state can guarantee is that those in a seat of political power cannot let their OWN personal religious believes interfere with the running of the state. Two more flaws with this is that A) In a democratic system, no one person is meant to be in power, except when acting on behalf of an electorate. This means that any religious view expressed can not be considered that persons own. B) As they are expressing the views of many, they can justify any political decision as one made for the sake of the state, given that it may be to the moral benefit of their electorate. Therein lies one of the many issues with democracy. (Not that there is a better alternative.) Bryan-CarnelianHope Further, marriage is an institution much, much older than Christianity. In fact, marriage is so old that there is no telling when it first began. It predates any reliable recorded history. BASICALLY. It predates Christianity. So Christians can't say "You can't get married, it's kind of our thing." Because it isn't. It has NOTHING to do with religion. This is not entirely true. Although I will agree that socially recognized unions have been around since time immemorial and established through ritual or ceremony, MARRIAGE in its current form is relatively new. As such, the "it's kind of our thing" argument still stands. Where civil partnership and some form of legal union MUST be provided, MARRIAGE is inherently a Christian practice and you would need to provide further argument to prove that it should be extended to homosexuals. Bryan-CarnelianHope "A family consists of a mother and a father, NOT two of one!" So, all you single parents out there, here's a heads up: These ******** are telling you you aren't a real family. If they stood by this statement, children would have to be placed in a home once their parents were divorced. Like child-lay-a-way. Get em back when you're married. You misquote. The bible does not condemn a homosexual FAMILY, but only homosexual SEX and MARRIAGE. Thus, your point about single parents is rendered moot.
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:07 pm
Personally, My religion says, and this is me being crude, "Love is accepted, in one form in all forms, it doesn't matter, love is endless." so do what you want, mine is a religion is all about some things just happening, who it is doesn't matter, so long as there is love. (still wanna stress that i'm not gay)
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