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 Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:42 pm
thank you to whoever made it a sticky.
May it serve you well.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:38 pm
*looks around and sees that the conversation has died down*
hmm.......Is it possible for me to add input without being yelled at?
I think multiple sanctuaries is the practical idea. that way when new eggs come out it will be easy to make space for them. But I don't think the separate posts for each dragon type is good......Being a dragon mod myself it would be hard to edit 4 different posts for one set of dragons that someone posts.
And having one place for eggs and one place for hatchlings would just make more work in my opinion.
And (and don't think I am being ignorant to how busy lives can get) more mods are needed.
As it stands now it would be 4 mods split over how ever many sanctuaries. Not everyone can be on at all times. My guild just had to promote new mods to help with our dragons and we have a far smaller list of users.
Assigning certain mods to a specific sanctuary would help ease confusion over when multiple people try to edit at the same time.
*sits back*
Ok, I have said my piece. Please, no yelling at me. I am simply trying to be rational and make suggestions that I think would work, as I am sure the rest of you are as well.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:53 pm
Suggestion:
Three Egg Sanctuaries: Put Dino, Gold and Paper in different ones.
Those are the three rarest right now. Divide up the rest of the breeds. Each sanctuary would have room to expand as new dragons are added. Assign an experienced mod to each sanctuary and recruit at least one new mod for each. They can learn with someone who knows what they're doing. The new mods could be just for the Sanctuaries or more, depending on what the current feel they can handle. At the beginning, one experienced and one new mod should be able to handle the reduced traffic, but more could be recruited if necessary depending on which sanctuary needs it. Heck, I'd be willing to help in a Sanctuary. I don't think I'd want to do much more than that. Maybe instead of full mods, they could be Sanctuary/Rescue mods.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:55 pm
wolf256wolf Suggestion: Three Egg Sanctuaries: Put Dino, Gold and Paper in different ones. Those are the three rarest right now. Divide up the rest of the breeds. Each sanctuary would have room to expand as new dragons are added. Assign an experienced mod to each sanctuary and recruit at least one new mod for each. They can learn with someone who knows what they're doing. The new mods could be just for the Sanctuaries or more, depending on what the current feel they can handle. At the beginning, one experienced and one new mod should be able to handle the reduced traffic, but more could be recruited if necessary depending on which sanctuary needs it. Heck, I'd be willing to help in a Sanctuary. I don't think I'd want to do much more than that. Maybe instead of full mods, they could be Sanctuary/Rescue mods. Oo.............good idea. That way you don't have a new person being overwhelmed by the work. And splitting the rares is a good idea since they don't take up much room and it would encourage people to visit each sanctuary.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:02 pm
Thanks, I just think if we put all the commons together, we'll end up with the same problem eventually. I was thinking 3 because of all the completed sprites sitting in the forum that could eventually be released. There are currently 20? breeds in the Sanctuary and probably 3x that many waiting to possibly be released.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:26 pm
Lokumun Huh? TJ or us? razz And for the "Egg-Sitters" deal. Personally, I'd love to have an Egg-Sitters group. What I think we could do is have a thread in clicking/eggspam, and then a link on the main rules page, saying something to the extent of: "Need more clicks? Then hand your eggs over to the Egg-Sitters" or something. From there, we could have the format like the egg sanct, posted in code, and then the codes would be placed in the Egg-Sitters page for anyone to post them. I can't figure out what you mean by this - can you give it to me in one-syllable words? (I'm not dumb, but I don't hang on Gaia much, and have rarely gone past the egg sanct here in the guild). Do you mean egg-sitters group instead of the sanctuary, or in addition to the sanctuary? Or do you mean "mods" who only have access to the sanctuary, in order to add eggs to the sanctuary? So instead of replying to the post in the sanct, and bringing the page count to two-hundred-whatever, the folks would post their eggs in the egg-sitter thread, and the sanct would ONLY be the posts that have the eggs for folks to view/click? Maybe I'm over-thinking this?
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:32 pm
emumumu It's not my favorite idea; I like your idea in theory, and the concept of egg-sitters sounds very helpful to the mods (and I'm all for that!) But I think what it comes down to is that I have a different idea of what I like in the Sanctuary. My ideals for the Sanctuary are: a) it's pretty much unlimited. Everyone who posts gets added to the Sanctuary, so if someone has the bad luck of coming in late in a panic because their egg only has one day left and they were just told about it... it doesn't matter how many people were there before them, they'll get added. I remember quite a few emergency eggs being added because they weren't getting enough views/clicks just in the Eggspam thread, and it worked. I like that. heart b) it's easy on the mods. Ideally, it would be even easier than it is now, but I recognize that that's probably not going to happen. While your idea meets b), it limits a). I guess a) could also be abused, in the sense that people can and do ignore the "please limit the number" requests, but it's also very inclusive for new people. I won't be horrified or anything if the mods decide to go with that, but the inclusivity is something that could potentially be an issue, even if the eggs/hatchlings aren't. Valid points. smile Thing is, I thought that the reason this conversation was taking place was because there's no room in the current sanctuary. This implies to me that there is a limit to what can be posted. I don't know what the limits are - if it's number of images in a post, number of characters in a post, or what. The first two pages of conversation were about limiting users to x numbers of eggs in the sanct at any one time, which is almost unenforceable (as evidenced by the current glut). So I offered a suggestion that did away with limits per user, and instead looked at limits per breed, thinking that might be easier to manage. If we're trying to find a solution that gets rid of limits altogether, then the idea of multiple sanctuaries, or multiple threads on the front page of one sanctuary, may be the way to go. I personally don't like the idea of separating dragon breeds, because then when I have four different eggs in my cave (five with breeding), then I have to post them in four different places (or five), instead of just creating one post saying "here's what I've got - post them please?) Quote: so if someone has the bad luck of coming in late in a panic because their egg only has one day left and they were just told about it... it doesn't matter how many people were there before them, they'll get added When I grabbed an abandoned egg that had -2 days left to live, I discovered the emergency thread down in the eggspam forum and posted it there. If you add a link to that forum in the first thread of the sanctuary (where the rules are posted), then it gives folks an alternative place to post their eggs, and eliminates that panic you're describing. I suggested the "sanct-only mods" (semi-mods?) because I wouldn't mind helping with that, but I have no desire to be a full mod, nor do I have any experience here with gaia. But I know how to edit posts, and copy code, etc, and don't mind helping out in that regard, once the solution has been figured out.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:06 pm
 more sanctuaries all the way. then each can have a limit but i dont know that number limit sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:59 pm
As much as I'd like the thought of just using all 15 front-page posts for the sanctuary images, that really would drain the server, especially at slow times. It's hard enough sometimes to load it as is.
I vote for two or three separate threads, split up by types of dragons. (Types should probably go in the header of each thread, to make finding the appropriate thread not only easier, but more obvious).
Also, if we're doing that, can we clean up all the stickies / announcements to make the sanctuary threads more obvious? Or just make them announcements instead, so they're easier to find?
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:20 pm
I really like the idea of there being once since people would probably rather go to one than a bunch of different ones. But even making a new one and using all 15 posts has it's limits. I suppose there is no way around having more than one ^_^
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:18 pm
I just noticed; theres at least 80 types of dragons paiting to be released, ans we won't have room for them all. So, I propose this:
One sanctuary, but organized in a certain way.
Post 1: Intro
post 2: common, common, uncommon
post 3: uncommon, common, rare
post 4: common, common, common
post 5: uncommon, rare, uncommon
post 6 and so forth
We can mix breed rarities by having three breeds per post. If they are all on the first page still, they will gain views regardless.
When new breeds are released, we just add that breed to one of the posts. The max would be six breeds per post. The thread would have all 15 posts used on the first page, and then people could add their eggs.
Its one sanctuary, but multiple posts with multiple breeds with each post.
Seperate sanctuaries for each breed or for eggs and hatchlings will not be a good thing when there are 100 types of dragons. WE need to think ahead a bit before we're overun.
Right now the sanctuary is staying closed until all the critters in there grow up.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:13 pm
So the biggest problem with the current Sanctuary is the lack of available posts on the front page? And if a new Sanctuary is opened those post spaces can have one or two breeds each and edited later to include new breeds? Do I have that basically right? Will that overtax the server? Don't need to get a great new Sanctuary open and end up killing the server. Does the front page automatically hold 15 posts, no matter how big each post is?
I still think we need some new Sanctuary monitors that could help out the mods. There aren't very many and it really isn't fair to expect so much from them with how this guild has grown. Especially with the guild and non guild members posting so heavily. JMO
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:18 pm
For whoever asked: The character limit on posts is 50,000 characters. My friend hit that limit once, while RPing. I'm still in favour of one single unifying sanctuary. No offence to fiwit, but the multiple sanc idea misses some very important factors: 1. Screen resolution: Limiting each breed to two "rows" is very difficult unless a site is on a fixed-width layout. People with smaller screen resolutions can see the current sanctuary as having 4 or 5 rows in some breeds. People with huge resolutions may see it as one and a half rows, or just one row. As such, someone with a small resolution seeing the statement "each breed only has space for 2 rows" will be confused at seeing so many more rows. Similarly, someone with a huge resolution will be led to believe that there is space for their eggs when in fact there is not. For example, my computer at home will not bring my resolution above 1024x768. I often see the splits bleeding into a third or fourth row. 2. How people use the sanctuary: I'm not kidding when I say most people probably come to this guild only to punt their eggs into the sanctuary. It's simple, it's fast. Come to guild, post eggs, leave and watch the numbers grow. My guess is that most of the views are generated by people clicking the sanctuary thread on their way to post their new eggs. Making multiple sanctuaries removes from the viewer pool people who don't like the breeds listed in a specific sanctuary, and also decreases the number of people viewing simply because they didn't have an egg for that thread this week. 3. The advantage of having 14 times the space we currently have: There are currently 24 breeds, including the sick/neglected. With one post we were able to fit 21 breeds (that is, before Skywings; I've never seen sicks in the sanc, no xmas) with space getting tight. Even if all 80 of the sprites on the Progress List make it onto the site, we'd only be using about 5 posts, assuming that the number of rarer breeds remains in the same proportion. Add in the 130 works in progress once they're done, that's 234 breeds. 10-11 posts out of 14. Still plenty of growing room. I'm not saying that one single sanctuary is feasible for a permanent solution, but it would work really well and serve to maximize the views for all eggs posted, so progress is not sectioned off by breed. Yes, a single sanc would cause a lot of server strain. But it's more convenient for everyone, especially the mods who won't have to jump threads/tabs to add everyone's eggs to the right place. (edited because I miscounted breeds)
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:50 pm
What about seperating the members into 2 different santuarys and somehow managing to only let them be approved into one of them. That would cut down on the load, give people 2 different sanctuarys to view, but only one to post it! It could even go with like the begining letter in your Login name, like A-l names go in one, them m-z go into a seperate one, that way you would know who wasn't allowed and who was... I dont know if that would work because theres lot of names of some letters and not so many with others but I figured Id get vocal about this too, I love the egg santuary, its really conveinent!
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:37 am
i think, given the number of new sprites awaiting release [some are really unbelievably beautiful!] that multiple [meaning more than 2] sanctuaries are inevitable. i have no ideas for organizing them that are any better than those already put forth, tho... i just know that the issue is going to grow, not diminish - especially as more & more dragonlovers hear about Gaia.
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