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Correct, opinions are things like religion and faiths.


Christians were not the only people who were persecuted. TBH Hinduism is actually one of the most peaceful faiths that also received persecution.


That's stereotyping in the worse way. "Oh no one wants to hear my faith, but I bet they'll here someone elses." What proof do you have that this is as wide spread as you make it seem? I hold both Buddism and Christianity in the same water, it's just Christianity is the most popular faith in America.


It's your Gods way, and you choose to follow that way. Nothing wrong with that.


I do agree with you on this. Christians do get the short end of the straw alot of times and I do feel unjustice has been done to them. I think you people should be allowed to express your religious beleifs freely and ******** anyone who wants to piss and moan about it. I do agree the government plays favorites for anti christian groups and I agree that you have just as much right to talk about as they do to not listen/reject it. I can understand someone being annoyed if it was blaring out of the speaking all the time, but no one should be offended if they see a group of people praying.
But on the other hand, Christians have always been persecuted. Just now days you wouldn't be killed over it. I always see that as a plus.


I wouldn't use the term help, but yes I do think it's wrong. As long as you are doing it in a peaceful manner I see no problem with it. Now if you were forceful about the whole thing, that's another deal.


Agree with this statement. Like Jesus said, "For those with ears to hear, let them hear." or somthing like that. Forgive me if it's wrong.


That's very awsome for you to be doing. Show's your a great person who decides to be a christian to me though. Not a great person because he is a christian.


I'm pretty sure you are not being 'tortured' just being rejected, and I doubt it's because you are helping people build homes either. Like I said, I know people persecuting and insulting christians, but your not being killed, by the government anyways, over it. Hell from what I know, people who are sent to jail for what you are talking about aren't even being charged felonies. Atleast not to my knowledge. So the punishments are not all that harsh. Still wrong mind you, but not near as bad as it would have been a long time ago.

I wonder if you understand though that peoplewere killed and persecuted for not being christians as well. Whether it was in Europe or parts of the United States when it was still developing. Nothing against Jesus himself, but some of his so called followers spreaded his word through fear.

I don't mean to be hostile, its just what I'm sayin makes perfect sence to me, so I type it lol. Definatly not meant to be hostile. Buuuut in response to CW Hart Yes, Christians are actually Tortured, imprisionsed and even killed. In North america, not so much, but in other countries, DEFINATLY. I've heard maaaaany stories of how they were killed, and I'll tell ya, they were not heart warming. They were bone chilling stories of a dead man. btw, your quote sounded just about right. so no worries on that one. and about teh "sterotyping" Its from experience, I was basing it off my personal experience from conversations I've had with people. its not all stastical, and it wasn't meant to be sterotpyin, it was just from pure experience. I'm not tryin to make it sound like some 'woe is me' type thing. Not taht type of person lol. And I never said Christians were the only ones persecuted. i just said that we are persecuted. Other than that, I think I'm done....*rereads* Yeah I'm done, I'll talk to you guys in 2 weeks, I'm goin on my Trip, woot! I have to be up at 2 in teh morning tho lol that sux razz

yeah christians have been tortured and persecuted, but they have done enough torturing and persecuting of thier own that i don't really care that much. all in all throughout history God is the leading cause of death. have fun on your trip. maybe if you make mexico nice enough they will stop jumping your border.

... Humans fear what we do not understand. We've made mistakes on all sides and there is no turning back the past. Show me a land where natives are not murdered, where the children are happy, where the innocent are protected... and that is a land I will respect. It's not that I am holding myself in high regard, it just hurts to know we as humans are so screwed up.

seeing as how i don't believe in god i can totally blame humans for all the problems. but the evils described were comited only by cocasian humans. some days i'm reminded why i hate being white.

Woah hold up, they did ot do it because they were white. Remember we aren't the only race that killed in the name of religion. Many others are just as brutal, if not more, who did things for the hell of it. I don't see people as black, white, brown, or yellow, I see them as good people, bastards, ok people, dumbasses, assholes, or what ever they are. This whole "The White Man is the Devil." Is pissing me off, and I don't care what race you are, if you judge me just because Im white, then your just as much of a ******** racist as the Klu Klux Klan and Nazis.

The greatest single cause of atheism
in the world today is Christians,
who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door,
and deny Him by their lifestyle.
xd

I wanted to save this for after I got the little things that were discussed in the thread out of the way.

All I gotta say is that I am so sad that you would settle for less. Because really what you're following, this religion of yours, it's so much less than what God has to offer for His people. It's so much less than what I would expect from my friends and family, never mind what I would expect from my God. I'm honestly not pushing beliefs right now, I'm just explaining how your post made me feel for you.

Really though, look at what you're saying. "8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification." Why would you want to believe that this is a good thing? You said that this is your religion, so you obviously don't think Satan as bad and you obviously want to be like this...right? Because you're following the religion for a reason, and I'm sure that it's not because you disagree with what it said. If you don't agree with it and you don't want to be like that then I dont see why you follow the religion.
So with these assumptions, why would you want be like Satan? Yes, I'm going by what you have said about Satan. What I got from 8 is this: I can do whatever I want because it will make me feel good. God said not to follow your Human instincts because they will hurt others.

In a city that I live about 1 hour away from, Leduc, there was an 11-year-old girl who was sexually assaulted in a tube slide at a school play ground. the guy felt good doing it, so that makes it okay. Screw the fact that the little girl has been sexually assaulted and has been emotionally traumatized for who knows how long, right? I mean, the guy felt physical, mental, and emotional gratification, so good for him.
This truly disgusts me, and I'm sad that you would settle for so little in life.

Just to clarify that I'm right in coming to this conclusion:
"Gratification: the positive emotional response (happiness) to a fulfillment of desire."

Thought I'd just bring this discussion back to what it was meant to be about.

I'm only going to address the issues directed at me, as I just recently rebutted another debate in another guild.


To Laz, the white man was not the only person who was involved in war, religious or not, we were just one of the few he kept tracked of our actions. To tell me they did it because they are white is absurd, it's because people can be violent. I don't really want to stay on this issue because I feel anyone who beleives that the white man is evil, and not understanding that it's human's in nature, is incredibly short sided. Though acourse I could just be taking things you say out of context.


I took it out of context, somthing real easy to do on the internet, but still feel it's justified. Hun is not somthing you should call someone if you are debating with them. Call them by their name, or say 'you'. Terms like hun, specially since you cannot read their tone, can be perceived as all kinds of things. It may be commonly used, but it can be disrespectful and even though this is not a formal debate, it's still hard to tell what their tone is on the other side.


Yes that's exactly what I'm saying.


Let me let you in on somthing, the term "They can't all be true." Is correct, but the idea that one is true even though none have proof is IMO false and still an opinion. People beleive in things because that is what comforts them and that's why they beleive. I mean seriously the idea of living and then dieing and that be the end of it is a scary thought to many, so what happens? Each side of the world invents a faith where they must do things to acheive heaven, nirvana, or whatever it might be called, and for the hell of it they through in things such as damnationg to either keep from being prosectuted or to scare others. Acourse this is only a theory, not a fact, of mine that explains how many faiths were born.


Maybe to a Christian, maybe you should reword that as, "That's the point of Satan, to Christians. He dosn't want to be worship but to make others live worldly so he can drag them to hell with him." Then yes, to a Christian I do agree that's his goal. I doubt he cares if anyone thinks he's a good guy as long as they join him in damnation. Atleast thats what I assume.


It's metaphorical sarcasm. Like how people are suppose to crave for god, others crave for money.


You're one to talk.


Exactly my point, we always worship somthing, so we use God as a substitue to make it ok.


I agree


Or all they worry about, didn't Mother Mary take an oath of poverty so she wouldn't worry about it?


Actually no I wouldn't expect an honest Christian to hide their, or what they call, 'faults' because I understand that Jesus calls us, yes I mean us with non christians included, to fix our faults and not hide them. Wise teachings I agree, and I beleive everyone can be a better person, but right is wrong, for the most part, can be very bias. I think true wrong soley happens when a person hurts another to gain somthing. Such as murder, theft, and even stepping over peaple, such as slander, to get ahead. Acourse while the former two are widely accepted, except for criminals, the latter can be seen as this being a 'dog eat dog' world.


If you think doing somthing or changing somthing in your life will help make you a better person, then by all means do it.


I don't beleive I said that. I know people don't bow to money.


I beleive the idea of good and bad are opinionated. If I kill someone to save another I care for, then it's called justified homocide. Killing someone is bad, but your saving another. So yes I do beleive the saying "To make an omlet, you have to crack a few eggs." Acourse I don't believe in the whole, "We are doing this for your own good." frame of mind where people are forced to do somthing just because someone else thinks it's good for them. Unless of course it's a child, then I'd hope it would be somthing that they can benifit from later in their lives.


I will make a note that I am against abortion because I feel the child, whether it's alive or not, is innocent to the whole idioicy of the teen or her being raped. But at the same time I know it's legal and it's another one of those things that can be debated about, no matter how you personally see it.


If a guy hits me, I'm not going to smile, I'm going to hit back. If a guy hit's a girl, I'm going to beat the hell out of him. If a girl hits me, I'll run and hope I can outrun her. If a girl tries to kill me, someone I love, or tries to castrate me then that's the only time I feel it's justified for me to hit a women.


Now is this for individual actions or lifestyle? Because I might do things that may be considered dark to some, such as enjoy violent movies, and ok to others, and then do somthing good, such as help people out. So am I in the dark? I do try to be a generally nice person, and I feel like I'm not a 'bad' person, but at the same time you can't call me 'good'.


Ok then lets not call it grey, let's call it twighlight. The more light their is, the more you can see. Unless it's so much you're being blinded. Like during the say you can see better under the light of the sun than you can under the light of the moon. That too is a fact.


It's sarcasm, I don't get mad over people's opinions because everyone has one. Disagreement will happen, and I except that no one will see things the same as me 100%. I hope the sarcasm made you laugh, not the drowning of the babies, though I guess that's a dumb question. smile


Not always, it just depends on the situation.


Stolen what was stolen from you, in my eyes, is ok. Don't forget the whole story of Robin Hood. The true ruler was away during war when the tyrant took over and started taxing (robbing) the people out of their house and home. Robin Hood simply took it back. I think that is right, because the idea of "Two wrongs don't make a right" is false in some situations. Acourse I beleive that you need to turn your back on some things that were done to you because retaliation will only get you into more trouble, but if it was life and death, like Robin Hood, then it's justified. Steal or starve to death, I wonder.....


You mean steal what I worked hard to earn and did not steal from others? Yeah I'd be pretty pissed off, seeing how I was stolen from many times.


Anyone would, even if they did not work hard for it and simply took it, only to have it taken back. To me, a theif being robbed is poetic justice.


What is pointless may I ask? That final comment might be, but that's just me having alittle fun. I am allowed atleast that? crying FORGIVE MEH!

Anyhoo I am honored you took a whole post to make a rebuttal of my comments. No sarcasm, really I am, and I look forward to yours as well. Oh yeah one last thing.


Really I do have to ask for forgivness if I offend any, both from you and Mishy, because I do this for fun than anything else. I really enjoy stating and argueing my opinions and can get very heated over it, but I never mean to bash nor flame anyone for having a seperate opinion as me, and look forward to hearing others agree/disagree with me. I can't really say I was being nice, with all the sarcasm, but at the same time I never ment to offend.


Everyone's opinion is a fact to themselves. If I did not beleive everything I say to be true, then I would not say them. I will state that they are opinionated, but in the end are, to me, facts.

To be honest, I was going to rebuttle what you did on Laz, but no offense Laz, I agree with alot of what Holly says.