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What should I do after the end of the season?
  Go back and do Season One of Welsh Who.
  Do a season from English Who.
  Do the current season of Eighth Doctor audios.
  Go outside and get some fresh air.
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Willow--Rosenburg

PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:06 am


Hope you don't mind the bit off topic but, wow, Richard, you definately got better marks in English than I did.

That being said, I do want to thank you for this thought-provoking series of analyses. It brings up brilliant and valid points that I would probably never catch because I'm too busy being fangirlish.
PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:12 pm


Willow--Rosenburg
Hope you don't mind the bit off topic but, wow, Richard, you definately got better marks in English than I did.

That being said, I do want to thank you for this thought-provoking series of analyses. It brings up brilliant and valid points that I would probably never catch because I'm too busy being fangirlish.


Ditto. xd

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:37 pm


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Willow--Rosenburg
Hope you don't mind the bit off topic but, wow, Richard, you definately got better marks in English than I did.

That being said, I do want to thank you for this thought-provoking series of analyses. It brings up brilliant and valid points that I would probably never catch because I'm too busy being fangirlish.


Ditto. xd

Seconded. whee
PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:12 pm


You're all too kind. smile

Especially pleased that Willow Rosenburg's enjoying, as it could of gone either way there. What with me using a naked picture of her dead girlfriend for one of the little icons!

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Willow--Rosenburg

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:20 am


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You're all too kind. smile

Especially pleased that Willow Rosenburg's enjoying, as it could of gone either way there. What with me using a naked picture of her dead girlfriend for one of the little icons!

Aw, yeah, Tara does tug a little at the heartstrings but I know that she's in a better place now.
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 10:55 am


Willow--Rosenburg

Aw, yeah, Tara does tug a little at the heartstrings but I know that she's in a better place now.


Hang on to that thought.
We'll have no more dodgy resurrection spells from you, young lady.

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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 4:50 pm


Sorry, thoroughly confused. gonk
PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 12:08 am


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Sorry, thoroughly confused. gonk

Sorry, slipped into Buffy jokes. redface

On-topic content resumes soon!

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 3:52 am


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Sorry, thoroughly confused. gonk

Sorry, slipped into Buffy jokes. redface

On-topic content resumes soon!


I like the Buffy jokes. xD
PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 6:45 am


Richard_Swift
Willow--Rosenburg

Aw, yeah, Tara does tug a little at the heartstrings but I know that she's in a better place now.


Hang on to that thought.
We'll have no more dodgy resurrection spells from you, young lady.

Oh no, resurrection spells get me in trouble and put me that much closer to destroying the world. Besides, the veiny, evil look just isn't that attractive.

Willow--Rosenburg


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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:58 am


I'm going to be sitting down in a bit to put The Poison Sontaran Sky Stratagem through the ol' lemon squeezer, but I've noticed that there's a couple of themes I've been using that I haven't defined yet.

So, mostly as a procrastinatory activity, I'll spell them out now and edit them into the first post. And just for Ana and Willow, there'll be a Buffy reference in here somewhere.



User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.Doctor Who has had a thing going on about Knowledge and the Absence of Knowledge for a long time. In fact, since just before the first ever episode. This theme started as soon as anyone read the title of the show.

Doctor = One who has a doctorate, a significant body of knowledge.
Who = One whose identity is not known.
Doctor Who = Knowledge meets the Absence of Knowledge.

Traditionally, the Doctor's always been on the side of Knowing Things. Aside from in the Christopher Bailey stories his point of view has seemed to be that so well expressed by Douglas Adams "I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day."

Since The Satan Pit though, the Doctor's been talking an awful lot about how much fun it is not to know things, and by Planet of the Ood then we've reached the point where he thinks ignorance is a morally superior position.





User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show.Tricky thing the boundary between the self and all the other people around it. I blame society.
People studying genre often note that stuff aimed at men tends to feature 'outsider' heroes who operate externally to the society with which they become involved - they turn up in the town, save the day, then ride off into the sunset. Meanwhile, stuff aimed at women tends to feature heroes who operate within society, often manipulating it. Think of the way everyone in a Jane Austen novel is always bouncing around off one social boundary or another. Outsider heroes versus Insider heroes. Clint Eastwood versus Carrie Bradshaw.

Some of the most interesting genre stories have been those that've messed with this format, depicting characters that genericly should be one sort of hero but instead insist on being the other (When Buffy's told that she has to be an Outsider hero, that the Slayer can't walk in the world, she replies "I walk. I talk. I shop. I sneeze. [...] There's trees in the desert since you moved out, and I don't sleep on a bed of bones" firmly asserting her connection to society). The Doctor though has always been happy to fit neatly into the 'Outsider hero' mould. Dematerialising the TARDIS is the ultimate form of riding off into the sunset, and he's never had any real place within any of the societies he's saved.

Then, one day in 2005, he picked up a copy of heat magazine and became a part of the Powell Estate.

This theme's about where we draw the line between the me-stuff in our heads and the them-stuff out there. The Ood have thier song, and so does every community ever established. Can anyone really exist outside one?


User Image - Blocked by "Display Image" Settings. Click to show. New Who makes a very big deal out of the power of words and names. One might have thought that the end of Last of the Time Lords (which somehow fandom manged to convince themselves came out of nowhere rolleyes ) was the high-watermark for all this, but no it's still going strong into Season 4.

What is the connection between names and things? Bernard of Cluny wrote in the twelfth century that "Yesterday's Rose stands only in name; we hold empty names" suggesting that names almost replace the things they refer to. The name of the rose replaces the real thing and stands as a Baudrillardian simulacra - a copy with no original.

Shakespere (pretends) to disagree and says the name has no effect on the thing it describes - that a rose by any other name would smell as sweet. While for Gertrude Stein there's no division between the name and the object - the object is the word and the word is the object - her most famous and important line of poetry reads "Rose is a rose is a rose is a rose."

I mention all this so that people don't think I'm just going all super-shippy by using a pic of Rose for this theme's icon.
PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 9:58 am


You my friend have an extremely interesting out look on the episodes.
I for one thought along the same lines, just with less of an intellectual way of putting it.
One thing I noticed about the Sontarans (Scuse me for a minute, as this has nothing to do with the story really...) is that the bloke who played Lucius also plays what I'm pretty sure is the second in command (or at least one of high stature) of the Sontarans.
The teeth are a dead give away.
And because the bloke scares me.

Anyway, I actually got my dad to read this (Ha, seeing as he's the one who introduced me to Dr. Who, it seemed fitting that he be able to discuss certain aspects that fans have brought up about the show and then compare their views on it to our own) he was very impressed.
And then we had along interesting discussion about it.
Finished it all off with another round of tea (as you do) and then went to bed to mull over a slightly altered view on the episode(s.)

My god do I want a teacher who could make me write an essay on Doctor Who... I'd ace it.

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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 2:14 pm


Thanks so much Naterbee!

It really makes this all worthwhile - not just to hear nice things said (though yay for nice things. Always yay for nice things) but to know that it's got people talking. And also drinking tea.

My dad's also responsible for my getting into Doctor Who at a young age, and I think I might be performing the same function... My own three-year-old daughter can't pass the statue of Victoria near our library without pointing and saying, "That grumpy queen don't like Doctor Ooo!"

Add that to the list of ways in which Doctor Who works like a myth - it binds generations together.

Anyway, I'm almost finished writting up the Sontaran two-parter and should be ready to post that up here tomorrow. Stick the kettle on. wink
PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 9:09 pm


I always drink tea.
Usually herbal tea--in a mayonnaise or Ball canning jar. smile

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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 am


You can't NOT drink tea. Even if I now have slight tannin stains on my back teeth. Oh well, worth it! biggrin
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