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 Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:36 am
Lethkhar Then I guess this discussion's over. Case closed.
Witchcraft and the occult are still affronts to God because it causes spiritual harm to those who practice it.
For example, if you were a parent who told their child not to do something because it harms them, but they did it anyway and it harmed them, you'd be angry, disappointed and quite sad, wouldn't you? Perhaps it's the your fault as the parent? Not at all. The child didn't trust and obey, the responsibility lies with them, so you ask the child why they didn't heed your warning.
Funnily enough, Jesus knew about the difference between dietary laws, moral laws and spiritual laws, and preached that difference. Sickness is not a punishment for sin. It's not what one eats that makes one sinful, it's one's motives. If one's motives aren't aligned to the first two of the ten commandments, the motives don't have blessing of God's Spirit.
If witches are using powers not by the Spirit of God given to them by Jesus, those powers are bad news.
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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:38 pm
Priestley Lethkhar Then I guess this discussion's over. Case closed.
Witchcraft and the occult are still affronts to God because it causes spiritual harm to those who practice it.
For example, if you were a parent who told their child not to do something because it harms them, but they did it anyway and it harmed them, you'd be angry, disappointed and quite sad, wouldn't you? Perhaps it's the your fault as the parent? Not at all. The child didn't trust and obey, the responsibility lies with them, so you ask the child why they didn't heed your warning.
Funnily enough, Jesus knew about the difference between dietary laws, moral laws and spiritual laws, and preached that difference. Sickness is not a punishment for sin. It's not what one eats that makes one sinful, it's one's motives. If one's motives aren't aligned to the first two of the ten commandments, the motives don't have blessing of God's Spirit.
If witches are using powers not by the Spirit of God given to them by Jesus, those powers are bad news.I thought it was assumed that Christian witches would use powers granted them by God.
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:56 pm
Lethkhar Priestley Lethkhar Then I guess this discussion's over. Case closed.
Witchcraft and the occult are still affronts to God because it causes spiritual harm to those who practice it.
For example, if you were a parent who told their child not to do something because it harms them, but they did it anyway and it harmed them, you'd be angry, disappointed and quite sad, wouldn't you? Perhaps it's the your fault as the parent? Not at all. The child didn't trust and obey, the responsibility lies with them, so you ask the child why they didn't heed your warning.
Funnily enough, Jesus knew about the difference between dietary laws, moral laws and spiritual laws, and preached that difference. Sickness is not a punishment for sin. It's not what one eats that makes one sinful, it's one's motives. If one's motives aren't aligned to the first two of the ten commandments, the motives don't have blessing of God's Spirit.
If witches are using powers not by the Spirit of God given to them by Jesus, those powers are bad news.I thought it was assumed that Christian witches would use powers granted them by God. Then they wouldn't be called witches.
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:06 pm
GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar Priestley Lethkhar Then I guess this discussion's over. Case closed.
Witchcraft and the occult are still affronts to God because it causes spiritual harm to those who practice it.
For example, if you were a parent who told their child not to do something because it harms them, but they did it anyway and it harmed them, you'd be angry, disappointed and quite sad, wouldn't you? Perhaps it's the your fault as the parent? Not at all. The child didn't trust and obey, the responsibility lies with them, so you ask the child why they didn't heed your warning.
Funnily enough, Jesus knew about the difference between dietary laws, moral laws and spiritual laws, and preached that difference. Sickness is not a punishment for sin. It's not what one eats that makes one sinful, it's one's motives. If one's motives aren't aligned to the first two of the ten commandments, the motives don't have blessing of God's Spirit.
If witches are using powers not by the Spirit of God given to them by Jesus, those powers are bad news.I thought it was assumed that Christian witches would use powers granted them by God. Then they wouldn't be called witches. Why ever not?
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:35 am
Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar Priestley Lethkhar Then I guess this discussion's over. Case closed.
Witchcraft and the occult are still affronts to God because it causes spiritual harm to those who practice it.
For example, if you were a parent who told their child not to do something because it harms them, but they did it anyway and it harmed them, you'd be angry, disappointed and quite sad, wouldn't you? Perhaps it's the your fault as the parent? Not at all. The child didn't trust and obey, the responsibility lies with them, so you ask the child why they didn't heed your warning.
Funnily enough, Jesus knew about the difference between dietary laws, moral laws and spiritual laws, and preached that difference. Sickness is not a punishment for sin. It's not what one eats that makes one sinful, it's one's motives. If one's motives aren't aligned to the first two of the ten commandments, the motives don't have blessing of God's Spirit.
If witches are using powers not by the Spirit of God given to them by Jesus, those powers are bad news.I thought it was assumed that Christian witches would use powers granted them by God. Then they wouldn't be called witches. Why ever not?
The idea of a Christian witch is like mixing oil and water. Seriously.
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:52 am
Priestley Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar Priestley Lethkhar Then I guess this discussion's over. Case closed.
Witchcraft and the occult are still affronts to God because it causes spiritual harm to those who practice it.
For example, if you were a parent who told their child not to do something because it harms them, but they did it anyway and it harmed them, you'd be angry, disappointed and quite sad, wouldn't you? Perhaps it's the your fault as the parent? Not at all. The child didn't trust and obey, the responsibility lies with them, so you ask the child why they didn't heed your warning.
Funnily enough, Jesus knew about the difference between dietary laws, moral laws and spiritual laws, and preached that difference. Sickness is not a punishment for sin. It's not what one eats that makes one sinful, it's one's motives. If one's motives aren't aligned to the first two of the ten commandments, the motives don't have blessing of God's Spirit.
If witches are using powers not by the Spirit of God given to them by Jesus, those powers are bad news.I thought it was assumed that Christian witches would use powers granted them by God. Then they wouldn't be called witches. Why ever not?
The idea of a Christian witch is like mixing oil and water. Seriously.Priestly is right. Magic ≠ witchcraft.
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:02 pm
Lyneun Priestley Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar I thought it was assumed that Christian witches would use powers granted them by God. Then they wouldn't be called witches. Why ever not?
The idea of a Christian witch is like mixing oil and water. Seriously.Priestly is right. Magic ≠ witchcraft. So basically: Magic = God given powers Magick = witchcraft Is that right?
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:30 pm
Quote: Magic is fantasy book magic. Magick is real-world magic. The distinction was made by, oh someone. I believe it was Gerald Gardner, creator of Wicca Aleister Crowley. There is essentially no difference. They just want to look cool. Magic is (from a mainly pagan prespective) a god's power (or power of another entity) granted to a person to use how they (they god) dictate. Spelling makes no difference. Magic doesn't mean witchcraft. Witchcraft is the use of magic that is not of our God. I may have explained that off, but I'm currently stressed (at pagans, no less), forgive me.
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:18 am
Lyneun Priestley Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar I thought it was assumed that Christian witches would use powers granted them by God. Then they wouldn't be called witches. Why ever not?
The idea of a Christian witch is like mixing oil and water. Seriously.Priestly is right. Magic ≠ witchcraft.
The most important point I've been trying to make is that God's Spirit is not magic. It's a partnership or joint task between God and man -- the point of convergence of two lines. Miracles are performed in this pattern: God tells person to perform task(s), promising that He will do a specific thing as soon as that person has finished said task(s). Jesus was often in prayer before performing a miracle. Why? Because he was waiting on God to command him. Equally, Jesus commanded sick people to do something and they became well. Look up the many miracles performed by the many prophets in the Bible and you'll see what I mean. Never is it a single person's actions that make miracles.
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:33 am
Yes. Witchcraft is magic. Magic is not witchcraft. Pepsi is soda. Soda isn't Pepsi. Savvy?
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:00 am
Lyneun Priestly is right. Magic ≠ witchcraft. Lyneun Yes. Witchcraft is magic. Magic is not witchcraft. Pepsi is soda. Soda isn't Pepsi. Savvy?
x = 2
y = 3
x ≠ y
3x = 2y
...etc.
Despite the fact that they are obviously two different letters of the alphabet, the value of the letter/word is of most importance. The difference in words/letters is to distinguish one value from the other for ease of understanding.
You don't understand the point I am trying to make. In my argument, magic (x) is equal to (synonymous with) witchcraft (y), witchcraft (y) is equal to (synonymous with) magic (x):
x = y
y = x
My argument all along is that magic/magick/(insert alternative spelling here) is synonymous with witchcraft, not a classification under which witchcraft (and, in your opinion, God's Spirit) falls. My argument is that God's Spirit is a completely different and independent force/power with value (z), which in an algrebraic sense might appear something like:
x = y ≠ z
Savvy?
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:08 pm
He's just using a different word for God's power. Does it really matter?
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:30 pm
My question is how on earth all of you are all of a sudden experts on the occult. eek xd
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:06 pm
There will always be people slurring Christianity, no matter what.
The best we can do is to fight it by setting the example through the things that we do every day!
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:14 am
You don't have to be rude, Priestly. I know what they mean. But I have either a better understanding of what magic really is than you, or a different one. I hate arguing in circles. We've both said our piece.
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